bicycle racer
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good post brick top so true currently the rage is ogs and chems though truthfully they are some of the strongest cannabis strains available period. at least the real versions are.
always same strains suggested.
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shepj
Oracle of Hallucinogens
hehe how I love the East Coast
Wheeler man
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You must not get your seeds/clones from a reputible source.When I get a plant,I know what it is .I look up anything on the strain,and it is to the tee!I love seeing the different straines ,and how they grow so differently.
DaveTheNewbie
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so subcool is flavour of the month, before that it was elite.
before that it was Mr Nice / Shantibaba. everyone was talking about these guys. Some morons were talking like they knew whats what while saying that Shantibaba was Mr Nice.
Next will be Sannie and www.sannieshop.com. Who knows after that.
bicycle racer
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right now the rage is over cali genetics but thats not because of hype its just where the best clones/seeds are found at this time. thats the truth as much as it angers people.
CrackerJax
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I went back and grew out some land races this year. Despite an attack of termites, thrips, and high humidity and mold, the land races are still going strong. A true weed... 
trapper
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subcool can never be mentioned as a breeder, compared to the likes of shantibabba.but i guess my point was directed at the so called seed makers who offer flavor of the month.those old guys like shantibaba and chimera and simon and DJ,breeder steve were breeders who stablised genetics,not flavors of the month seedmakers,i read last night were chimera was worried about the seedmakers who just match strains with out working on them,he feared it would set back years of work that his forfathers had done.But he mentiond that seedmakers had a place,just not a big place.He also mentiond the frustration of stableiseing genetics only to have it stolen by seedmakers who only value money,but we have cannacopia,wily jack,cash crop ken,joey weed,tga,and even arjan now etc, etc who are seed makers.But their are a few up and coming breeders so dont worry,i believe.Im sure some of the old timers will take in some young blood who share their passion,and teach them the way.i dont like the cali best or their best.man we got plenty good weed here,just as im sure every one does were they live.am i satisfied with what we have around here 100%.if im a breeder i hire heath robinson to desighn my facility.
HHF
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What genetics have they stabilised? Chimera buys pollen from DJ, how is this breeding? steve used a unidentified male from a tray of cuts he brought in to create it, didn't even know the father of the cross..
I don't know of any IBL's Chimera has released, I may be wrong. Just asking..as im not so familiar with their works, but thought these listed where all just crosses. Not what I would deem stabilised lines.
Peace, HHF
shepj
Oracle of Hallucinogens
IMO it is overrated, not trying to offend anyone, but I've had weed from a few dispensaries (Cali) and I've had homegrown weed from my local city and it was just as good. We get a lot of shit from NYC up here, and their heddies are just as good as well. Same with a lot of the Canadian weed I've seen. It's all in the growing/curing bro.
Now as to the clones and seeds.. there are def. a lot clones that I would like to get my hands on over in Cali. We could change the label (atleast in the US) from "Clone-Only" to "Cali-Only"
I'd still like to get some UK clone-only strains and bring 'em over here
Brick Top
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You must not get your seeds/clones from a reputible source.When I get a plant,I know what it is .I look up anything on the strain,and it is to the tee!I love seeing the different straines ,and how they grow so differently.
You read more into what I said than I said and missed my point by doing so. The thread title is about the same strains being mentioned all the time but the message is about the same breeders being mentioned all the time. So I pointed that out. What I said by there being so many knockoffs, and this fits in with how some same strain names which are often named seldom is the breeder they came from is mentioned along with the strain.
　
How many threads have you seen where someone says they are growing White Widow and then there follows any number of messages saying me too. Few times will you read I am growing Breeder A White Widow and a reply saying I am growing White Widow too but I got it from Breeder C' instead.
　
So what you get is a same strain name mentioned often but many of those telling others what it is like and what it needs and how long they flowered it may be giving very inaccurate advice between the different genetics of the various knockoffs.
　
To make it worse some do not know if they are buying the original genetics or a knockoff. It is common to find in descriptions of knockoffs the exact same information about the strain name but it is misleading because what was written was written about the original genetics and to someone who has not done this long they can be and often times easily are fooled into believing they purchases original genetics.
　
That is not the sort of thing I have ever done or plan to do. While I will never say that based on what research I could do and how much information I could find I did not overestimate a strain or two and was somewhat less than thrilled by the final outcome, regardless of the final outcome the purchase was based on knowing as much as could be learned about the strain.
　
When I go to one of the seedbank sites I use, and I only use several and all are very highly regarded and as reliable as any could possibly be, I do not go looking for find what to purchase.
I already know what I will purchase and then I will see who has it and for what price and if it might be out of stock at one site or another etc. and then I pick which I feel is the best choice at that moment.
　
But there is never any confusion as to what I am purchasing or as to why I am purchasing it or any lack of honesty or credibility with the sites I use.
Cyproz
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i dont know about potency yet but i know they are fast germing and super fast growing. I have some hybrids of OG kush from elite and they are going faster the anything ive grown so far.
Brick Top
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Genetics are key. Someone who does not know what they are doing can screw up disastrously no matter whose genetics they picked so it is no guarantee to happy days but the very best grower in the world cannot turn chicken shit into chicken salad no matter how much mayonnaise they might add.
　
If the genetics someone picks is more limiting then their growing skill and setup combined can achieve then they have placed further limitations on themselves and ones that cannot be altered. If the genetics are more than the grower’s skill and setup can maximize they will not get all out of what was genetically possible but it will still top the strains that create more and lower limits instead of setting none.
　
So if the budget allows, When in doubt, go Gershwin.
　
That being said if someone does their homework there are some real values to be found and depending on someone’s needs some can be very reasonably priced.
　
Many different breeders have something they can be pretty proud of. Maybe not something that won a competition but still a very quality product. Some have long histories of one thoroughbred after another and some fall somewhere in the middle .. but most at least have something.
　
But what amazes me is unless fewer people admit to it there doesn’t seem to be much brand loyalty among bean buyers and even way less strain loyalty among bean buyers.
　
Those who close are different, it is a different ballgame, but seldom if ever do you see a thread about someone who just started their third or maybe their fifth run of whatever in a row, all begun from beans but someone will from time to time say how they have grown some strain using clones for several or more years. I do not mean every single run but at times several or more times I a row or at times a small part of every grow.
　
There is something about selecting beans that brings out the grass is always greener on the other side of the fence thing in people. Today it sounds like one place is the hot ticket of genetics and then a month or a year later they hear about someone else that sounds darn interesting and the grass starts to look very green, well … very frosty, and then that is the hot ticket for genetics for a while.
　
The thing is sometimes those new hot ticket genetics aren’t really better than a goodly number that are going overlooked, are underrated or are just considered to be old and obsolete.
You can see the grass always looks greener on the other side of the fence deal in threads where people ask what someone’s all time favorite strain is.
　
You will read messages where people will go on and on about how nothing tops this or that, that it is the all time best. Then if you follow up and ask if that is what they happen to be growing at the time, if they are in fact growing at the time, and if they are growing at the time it is not at all uncommon for the strain to be one that everyone is all abuzz over this month or they will say what they are growing but plan to follow it with the strain everyone is all abuzz over this month.
　
If the one they raved about and said is the all time best didn’t seem as appealing to grow as the one people are all abuzz about that either means they were really not all that impressed by what they called the all time best or at least not enough to keep the grass on the other side of the fence looking at least a bit greener.
　
That or they have so much of their favorite vacuum sealed and waiting that they can play with something else for a while but it still appears that among bean buyers there are a lesser amount that when picking a strain head right to one or maybe two breeder lines and pick from them but instead as a group are something like a herd of lemmings playing hop-scotch hoping the next leap isn’t the one over the cliff.
　
If the genetics someone picks is more limiting then their growing skill and setup combined can achieve then they have placed further limitations on themselves and ones that cannot be altered. If the genetics are more than the grower’s skill and setup can maximize they will not get all out of what was genetically possible but it will still top the strains that create more and lower limits instead of setting none.
　
So if the budget allows, When in doubt, go Gershwin.
　
That being said if someone does their homework there are some real values to be found and depending on someone’s needs some can be very reasonably priced.
　
Many different breeders have something they can be pretty proud of. Maybe not something that won a competition but still a very quality product. Some have long histories of one thoroughbred after another and some fall somewhere in the middle .. but most at least have something.
　
But what amazes me is unless fewer people admit to it there doesn’t seem to be much brand loyalty among bean buyers and even way less strain loyalty among bean buyers.
　
Those who close are different, it is a different ballgame, but seldom if ever do you see a thread about someone who just started their third or maybe their fifth run of whatever in a row, all begun from beans but someone will from time to time say how they have grown some strain using clones for several or more years. I do not mean every single run but at times several or more times I a row or at times a small part of every grow.
　
There is something about selecting beans that brings out the grass is always greener on the other side of the fence thing in people. Today it sounds like one place is the hot ticket of genetics and then a month or a year later they hear about someone else that sounds darn interesting and the grass starts to look very green, well … very frosty, and then that is the hot ticket for genetics for a while.
　
The thing is sometimes those new hot ticket genetics aren’t really better than a goodly number that are going overlooked, are underrated or are just considered to be old and obsolete.
You can see the grass always looks greener on the other side of the fence deal in threads where people ask what someone’s all time favorite strain is.
　
You will read messages where people will go on and on about how nothing tops this or that, that it is the all time best. Then if you follow up and ask if that is what they happen to be growing at the time, if they are in fact growing at the time, and if they are growing at the time it is not at all uncommon for the strain to be one that everyone is all abuzz over this month or they will say what they are growing but plan to follow it with the strain everyone is all abuzz over this month.
　
If the one they raved about and said is the all time best didn’t seem as appealing to grow as the one people are all abuzz about that either means they were really not all that impressed by what they called the all time best or at least not enough to keep the grass on the other side of the fence looking at least a bit greener.
　
That or they have so much of their favorite vacuum sealed and waiting that they can play with something else for a while but it still appears that among bean buyers there are a lesser amount that when picking a strain head right to one or maybe two breeder lines and pick from them but instead as a group are something like a herd of lemmings playing hop-scotch hoping the next leap isn’t the one over the cliff.
trapper
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chimera may of used his buddies DJ in fact he has,but in comparison to seed makers chimera is not.yes they used the BC cuttings that were going around,but i have grown both and i have even found in my chincy back crosses that the genetics of their stuff is consistent.yes i know they use a lot of sweet pink grapefruit and cali orange and a few i cant remember,i cant remember shit at my age, but i would never call him a seed maker,their old lines were not many but you could set your watch by the genetics and plant seeds in welding shops a long the west coast and except stable results.but for the most part i dont even trust what they say,my 1/10 of believeing what is said in the seed bussiness extends to them as well.like we say on the trapline dont let the truth get in the way of a good story.personally i like sweet tooth,it was sweet and consistent.but im sure their are more breeders who have no idea what pollinated what,pollen is hard to contain.but i still feel that chimera and steve are decent.i do not clasify them as seed makers.but i can be very wrong because i never worked for them.i said many times because of the legal status of cannabis thier really is no true records for the most part.and yes steve used a lot of the same crosses over and over,it was basicaly the same,but i like crossing into as a closet pollen chucker because to me i get stable results.and growing 2 of his strains in the cold north outside i can say they pass the test with flying colors,not like island sweet skunk whick sufferd 3 frosts and winds off a cold lake and still rocked on.but they passed the trapline test.
trapper
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were i read about chimera is in one of the few books available,which i stated was the biggest problem,and that their is only a few mags and talking heads writeing books,they are the only voices controlling the air waves.i see them praise pollen chuckers as master breeders,it was jorge writeing the praises of chimera.now do i think jorge and ed and hightimes are the gospel,do i think that they only speak the truth,do i think kick backs only happen in other bussineses,not at all.and i mentioned just the other day,if these cats are not giving us the strait goods,then what.so jorge may me bull shitting for his buddy,i have no way of knowing.but am i tired of the game these so called gurus play,you bet,they make sleazy poloticians look like saints.so finding the truth in an illegal bussiness is hard to do.but it is what it is
HHF
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Hi Guy's
Some good posts in this thread, nice convo thanks.
Trapper, slight miss communication there friend. For me ''stableised'' means IBL. I wasnt referring to Chimera as a pollen chucker at all. I've spoken many times with him and enjoyed discourse with him, he is a very knowledgeable plant breeder. Far more so than the others mentioned in actual fact, but I was not aware of IBL's being released by him.
Peace! HHF
Some good posts in this thread, nice convo thanks.
Trapper, slight miss communication there friend. For me ''stableised'' means IBL. I wasnt referring to Chimera as a pollen chucker at all. I've spoken many times with him and enjoyed discourse with him, he is a very knowledgeable plant breeder. Far more so than the others mentioned in actual fact, but I was not aware of IBL's being released by him.
Peace! HHF
BLACKMESSIAH7
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trapper
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the burmese are 3 weeks old,they sure love to stretch,i think they are going to be tall pl;ants.i may just clone them and flower the clones because of height,but will see.the burmesees xblack is very vigorous,wasnt expecting that but probably see it slow down when cloned.i find purpleish indicas to veg slow in cloneing,but maybe i just get bad purple genetics,the sativas with purple are differant for me.
bicycle racer
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in bread lines lots of backcrossing proper selection between many plants good genetics to work with and time is all lots of time.
Relaxed
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Is that burmese kush? What seedbank? LIke to follow it....