trapper
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i know others work off others,i mean some take time to stabalize traits.
always same strains suggested.
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trapper
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hey i have nothing against someone takeing pollen from strain a and putting in on clone only b.i just feel that is seed making,and i wouldnt pay more then 60 bucks for 10 seeds.because i know if i dont find a keeper in the first sprout i may when i make f3,s.i just think some breeders realy work at stableizing a certian trait and that they are the true breeders and i tip my hat to them.so if i got the blue dream you love and pollinate it with my prized sourbubble male say,does that make me a breeder,does that make the proginy as good as blue dream,should i spend big money because the names are top notch,we all have our view on the seed market.me i believe a tenth of what is said.
Brick Top
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I have not tried that one. One problem I always faced picking a Reeferman strain was something like temporary OCD. I just could not make up my mind once I tried the first one. It was like, ok that was great so I should grow it again but wait .. this one sounds fantastic and gets great reviews so I should try that.
I was like a kid in a candy store.
I would go back and forth between something I had grown and something I had not tried and then something different I had not yet tried.
In the end I tried fewer than I wish I had to date but then I was never once disappointed by any Reeferman gear either new to me or new to his line or one I had grown before so I cannot be at all upset in any way.
　
　
Reeferman is a true pro and has been one for many years longer than many members here ever thought about attempting their first grow.
nickbbad
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If you guys know better breeders and strains to get then recommend them to people and show them where they can get the seeds from when people ask for new/different strains to try... You have to realize people can only recommend what they have tried and if they haven't tried a lot they usually will say what others have been recommending . So the only way to change it is for people like you who know to give other options. For instance just from reading this thread I will be trying out Jordan of the Islands, Reeferman and Mr.Nice's seeds. So get the word out and people will try them out. 
bicycle racer
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me personally i would rather grow f-1 unstable crosses of two great strains pick the phenos i like and go from there than get some 'stabilized' strain thats 10 years old and outdated and weak compared to the newest and greatest. i really find this stable strain thing amusing as some of the best seeds come from genetically different crosses with hybrid vigor not from inbred 'stable' strains which simply means more or less one phenotype. i backcross myself and inbreed for traits but the result is not a better strain so much as predictable growth and phenos but you lose stress resistance and vigor often so there is no one way that is better or more worthwile. stabilizing a strain takes time and space but that does not mean automatically that it is better than a random cross of two different plants.
CrackerJax
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Where can one acquire Bluegrass seeds? I'd like to try that Blue Russian.
JollyGreen420
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There are lots of choices out there.....lots of great choices might I add. Just pick a few and start to see what you like. Sure you are going to find some strains you really love and some that arn't your style. And there will always the that "one" you should have never let go. A mother you had and really loved but decided for some reason or other to move on and years later you were still looking back Maybe just pick one breeder at a time and go through some of their stock and see what you like and might be your style......i.e
Sannies Shop http://www.sanniesshop.com/sannies-seeds-c-167.html?osCsid=562a5b79868965437ba1321eeeaefcbe Try Sannies Jack or Herijuana or Lady Cane
DJ Short will never go out of style http://legendsseeds.com/dj.html Flo True Blueberry and Grape Kush
Also Spice of Life at the same site for Sweet Tooth or Legends Ultimate
How about TH Seeds has great stock http://www.cannabis-seeds-bank.co.uk/th-seeds/cat_95.html
MK-Ultra, PG-13, Da Purps!!!!
Serious Seeds has a stable and Killer line up. Just because his strains are old donesn't mean they aren't still kicking.
Bubble Gum, Chronic, Ak-47, White Russian. All great
Whats wrong with good old Sensi. Some of the best smoke I ever had was Jack Herer, NL#5xHaze is Fuking amazing Shiva Skunk, Black Domina or Mr. Nice
So its not all just about sub and his awesome line up. Even bag seeds can give you a great smoke. And thats because its different. Variety will break up tollerence and make most smoking enjoyable.
Sannies Shop http://www.sanniesshop.com/sannies-seeds-c-167.html?osCsid=562a5b79868965437ba1321eeeaefcbe Try Sannies Jack or Herijuana or Lady Cane
DJ Short will never go out of style http://legendsseeds.com/dj.html Flo True Blueberry and Grape Kush
Also Spice of Life at the same site for Sweet Tooth or Legends Ultimate
How about TH Seeds has great stock http://www.cannabis-seeds-bank.co.uk/th-seeds/cat_95.html
MK-Ultra, PG-13, Da Purps!!!!
Serious Seeds has a stable and Killer line up. Just because his strains are old donesn't mean they aren't still kicking.
Bubble Gum, Chronic, Ak-47, White Russian. All great
Whats wrong with good old Sensi. Some of the best smoke I ever had was Jack Herer, NL#5xHaze is Fuking amazing Shiva Skunk, Black Domina or Mr. Nice
So its not all just about sub and his awesome line up. Even bag seeds can give you a great smoke. And thats because its different. Variety will break up tollerence and make most smoking enjoyable.
mared juwan
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I don't have much to add. I just want to get subscribed to this thread because some of the people whose opinions I respect most on this forum are in here and sharing great info.
Rocky Top High
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Good informative thread. Lots to discuss but one thing I would like to state is about Elite Genetics. IMHO, he was NOT a breeder. He was nothing more than a dimbass pollen chucker. I am not trying to step on anyones toes thats just my opinion. The way he got busted proves he was a dumbass. The way he made 25 crosses in a years time proves he was nothing but a pollen chucker. Did he have some good genes...yes but from the reports I have seen and gotten, his gear was not worth a 1/3 what he charges. Hermie city on alot of his gear. He has some keepers but they were few and far between.
Someone mentioned OGRaskal and I could not agree more. He has some sick genetics that can't be found outside of Cali...until now. I would also like to add Cali Connection, Top Dawg and Billy Goat Seeds. These guys are blowing it up with elite strains now in seed form. Mota Militia is another but I have not personally grown any of his gear. I have seen and tasted it and it is outstanding.
Reeferman has top quality gear as well. Cali Connection will soon take the seed world by storm...at least thats my feeling. We will see but within a year, his gear is going to be hard to find due to demand.
I have grown Serious Seeds and find their genetics absolutely top shelf. They don't have any foo-foo purple bullshit and they don't offer fem seeds so alot of the newbies are not interested. However, they have 5 strains that will absolutely rock your world and yields are as good or better than anyones strains.
The OGRaskal and Cali Connection strains are the only ones that I have grown that are on par with Serious Seeds. Guys I am telling you, Cali Connection and OGRaskal are worth checking out. I have pics that I could post but I don't want to turn this into a commercial for those 2 guys. Just go check their gear out and if you get a chance to grow it, you can thank me later.
Someone mentioned OGRaskal and I could not agree more. He has some sick genetics that can't be found outside of Cali...until now. I would also like to add Cali Connection, Top Dawg and Billy Goat Seeds. These guys are blowing it up with elite strains now in seed form. Mota Militia is another but I have not personally grown any of his gear. I have seen and tasted it and it is outstanding.
Reeferman has top quality gear as well. Cali Connection will soon take the seed world by storm...at least thats my feeling. We will see but within a year, his gear is going to be hard to find due to demand.
I have grown Serious Seeds and find their genetics absolutely top shelf. They don't have any foo-foo purple bullshit and they don't offer fem seeds so alot of the newbies are not interested. However, they have 5 strains that will absolutely rock your world and yields are as good or better than anyones strains.
The OGRaskal and Cali Connection strains are the only ones that I have grown that are on par with Serious Seeds. Guys I am telling you, Cali Connection and OGRaskal are worth checking out. I have pics that I could post but I don't want to turn this into a commercial for those 2 guys. Just go check their gear out and if you get a chance to grow it, you can thank me later.
trapper
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trapper
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but i do respect subcool for not going to the cannabis cup any more,that is a solid principle in my books.i think it is a joke,but the reality is only a few voices control the cannabis airwaves,and they have both hands on the cash register,but only time will tell were this new way of seed making goes,because at one time america produced the 455 rocket,the barracuda,the goat the judge etc etc.but the fast buck destroyed that,now let see if it destroys cannabis.
bicycle racer
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i get what your saying i just prefer growing all kinds of stuff stable and unstable just too make sure i end up with the best thats available. and yes it takes more time to stabilize so i can see why you would be willing to pay more for that. still though if i have the choice between a good older stable strain or some new but more potent f-2 cross ill go with that and work on it myself but thats just me. it also depends how stable the crosses/hybrids are to begin with sometimes if there genetically different enough you get uniform f-1's easy to grow out as there all similar of course if you make seeds from these they will be unstable f-'2s but if you clone the f-1's then you can grow another uniform crop its really preference and whether you like seeds or clones. with truelly stabilized strains you can continuously make seeds and they come out the same mostly when grown which can be very desirable especially for commercial growers or sog setups. or simply for those who dont like clones. basically there is a market for all kinds of cannabis seeds some want the newest and greatest and some want predictable growth and stability either way can get you good bud. i keep seeds of stable lines and unstable lines both standard male/females and fems.
trapper
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isnt kish a shiskaberry,thet is why i orderd calizar was for the shiskaberry.i believe steve has a nice plant their.so were you get your kish from.
trapper
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i get what your saying,but im more worried about none of the new type seed makers isolateing certian traits and stableizeing,im not really talking of the old tired stuff.it seems the only new trait being stableized is color to some effect,and that is not really serious type breeding being done on that.what if all the new seed makers start going for the fast buck and no one selects from a 1000 plants any more,steve of spice of life used to cull more plants in a year then most of the new breeders have grown in a lifetime.
Yeah Kish it a double shickaberry...Get it from the vancover seed bank
Nuken is Kish and God Bud...First ones are cooking now
Looking forward to that
trapper
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that god bud can really resin up,i pooped more seeds a few weeks back of it,i keep popping jordan of the island god bud.,i like breeding into it,i wish the bud structure was longer in the god but it is powerful smoke,im sure the shiskaberry adds size,i would rather have the kish over the calazar i orderd,but oh well.cash crop kens been around for awhile,is he a vancouver guy.Yeah Kish it a double shickaberry...Get it from the vancover seed bank
Nuken is Kish and God Bud...First ones are cooking now
freddiemoney
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Ambrosia (God Bud x Burmese) from Jordan of the Islands is another good pick. Very unique smell and flavour. Real resinous chest-expander. Medium yielder, but a favourite of those I smoke with. Wouldn't mind trying pure Burmese or another Burmese cross.