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[GypsyBush]

Just to rock the boat a little bit.
Adding extra light is pretty much always a good idea when using cfls.
However, I've found that airstones promote algae and pathogen growth in your water, and understand that there is a direct link between airstone use and occurances of root rot. You would probably be better suited to use H202 is an oxygenator and pathogen fighter. That is assuming you're not using organic (shudder) hydro nutes.

And before anyone gets up and screams...

There is FACT in what he said...

So if you are going to argue there's a coin on the table with only one side.. it won't work...

 

[GypsyBush]

Don't you get it man?

By learning exactly what can go wrong, I know what is right, and what DOES work..

Are you one of those guys that jump off of a cliff to prove you cannot fly???

 

[lurkmaster]

How can Lurk tell anyone how to improve their yields (just an example) if hes is the first to admit he does not have multiple harvests to compare??

Its cool, no beef.

But... Just because I haven't compared the final dried weights doesn't mean I haven't been able to compare *relative* yield changes compared to what different things I have tried.


I have tried to really diversify my first few grows so I can experience as much as I can in the shortest time frame be able to apply that knowledge as soon as possible.

 

[GypsyBush]

Everything that I am passionate about I have gained all of that expertise and knowledge on my own accord without help from anyone else.

It obviously works..\

But you can cut your learning curve by a factor of 10 by simply opening your ears and your mind...

There is nothing wrong with learning from others... and you will eventually get experience DOING IT..

...

Shack.. I'll get there.. I promise...

 

[Shackleford.R]

haha thanks gypsy just twiddling my thumbs while i'm trying to have a grow discussion...

 

[GypsyBush]

How many harvests have you had total ever in you life?

And I don't mean chopping immature plants cause of whatever...

Its cool, no beef.

But... Just because I haven't compared the final dried weights doesn't mean I haven't been able to compare *relative* yield changes compared to what different things I have tried.


I have tried to really diversify my first few grows so I can experience as much as I can in the shortest time frame be able to apply that knowledge as soon as possible.

Dude...

I am gonna step down from my horse...

I am gonna walk over to you.. and look you in the eyes...

Nw I am going to tell you something that you may not believe, but is a fact...

The shortest possible way from newb to DANK is to follow a proven recipe...

I understand you want to learn your thing the way you want to...

But you are only delaying your success by trying everything at once...

Try ONE METHOD.. and get good at it... experiments come later.. when you have a solid EXPERIENCE based foundation...

I have been getting 1g/w pretty much from day one...

Do you know any other way to achieve that?

I wish I could offer to bet you...

I would bet you I could get a ZERO NEWB today... to beat your production in 6 months or less... if you keep trying everything under the sun at the same time...

Easiest way to bake a cake(especially if you have never baked before) is to follow a time proven recipe...

Do yourself a favor and find on that suits you...

What's your style?

SOG? Big Trees? low bushes? scrogs?

choose one and stick to it... find a master and stick to his teachings...

do that and you will have the respect of your peers...

but this I know what my harvest would have been of they didn't die.. doesn;t cut it...

sorry...

 

[GypsyBush]

haha thanks gypsy just twiddling my thumbs while i'm trying to have a grow discussion...

here's to openin another can of worms...

Organics...

organics... with organisms....

fertilizers with organisms...

organisms are alive... or a variable...

Now...

MY DUMBASS learned a simplified version of the truth...

One of which I have only my troubles to refer to as experience...

What is Z? or N? or even the P andK???

Those are elements right?

like from the basic periodic table of elements... Is that what you call it in the US?

So we take iron... in it's purest form... broken down into the element...

Is this bad iron? good iron?

Is there even a difference?

What about potassium? is it any different?

Wold naturally occurring potassium in a banana be different than say the potassium on a soy bean?

How about potassium made in the lab?

Is it still potassium?

Follow me so far?

Shack... you awake?

 

[lurkmaster]

Man.. you guys all miss the point every time..

I don't want to go from newb to dank fast.

If all I cared about was dank bud I wouldn't be growing it, I would just continue to buy ounces of overpriced dank and smoke it.

I want to by my own effort become an expert in multiple fields as fast as possible so I can really decide for myself what is best, and try to help as many people as I can along the way.

Thats just how I approach everything.

Every hobby I have ever had, I've taken people with me.

 

[Shackleford.R]

sort of... but they are different products (im a Gen Hydro guy) Flora Series is chemical... 3 parts... kinda pain in the ass. FloraNova is organic... 2 parts.... pretty easy to deal with.

its like comparing fox farms to advanced nutrients.. just different products.. im not gonna say i prefer organics to chemicals.. just say that i like FloraNova compared to Flora Series.... has nothing to do with their chemical makeup and compounds. just i like the product.

what are the negatives of using organics in your hydroponic grow?

 

[GypsyBush]

Man.. you guys all miss the point every time..

I don't want to go from newb to dank fast.

If all I cared about was dank bud I wouldn't be growing it, I would just continue to buy ounces of overpriced dank and smoke it.

I want to by my own accord become expert in multiple fields as fast as possible so I can really decide for myself what is best, and try to help as many people as I can along the way.

Thats just how I approach everything.

Every hobby I have ever had, I've taken people with me.

OK you made your point..

You are the guy you want to be...

What can I say? more power to you!!!

And I really feel bad for asking, but is that a bud you grew?

Looks real nice...

 

[GypsyBush]

sort of...

what are the negatives of using organics in your hydroponic grow?

I'm getting there... but I do not know how to explain something that is not simple.. simply...

Just bear with me...

we are talking about the elements that make up the fertilizers.. the NPK we look at when we buy our nutes...

 

[lurkmaster]

I would bet you I could get a ZERO NEWB today... to beat your production in 6 months or less... if you keep trying everything under the sun at the same time...

Easiest way to bake a cake(especially if you have never baked before) is to follow a time proven recipe...

Do yourself a favor and find on that suits you...

What's your style?

SOG? Big Trees? low bushes? scrogs?

And guess what he will be at the same level forever until he learns more. In 6 more months I will be way ahead of him with my own genetics, growing the strain that has the EXACT qualities that I want, with the ability to perfect it as much as I feel necessary.

Its so funny that you say that, because I'm not a baker and I hate following recipes.

I'm a chef and I always love to improvise with what I have and see what I can make when I am cooking, literally IRL.

And thats how it is with everything I do.

What can I say... I love to challenge convention, I like to discover new things, I have aspirations...


If I were to give advise on how to grow, I would say topping is the way to go just because of how easy it is.


I have tried supercropping.

I have tried LST.

I have tried all natural.

I have tried SOG style.

I have tried topping (using uncle bens technique).


I was most satisfied with the results obtained from topping, I was able to get very uniform results with NO ADDITIONAL MAINTENANCE.

Four big fat main-sized colas.

I will also add, super cropping was super easy and successful, this is the best thing to do if your plant is already in flowering and you can't cut anything.

 

[GypsyBush]

So I ask again.. is potassium potassium or does it depend where it come from?

I believe it is called a basic element for a reason...

I believe the plant does not care how the N, the P or the K got there...

And when you buy synthetic ferts.. that is what you get ... basic elements...

Once you step into the organic world of fertilizers...

The fertilizer is no longer a mixture of elements, but a colony of organisms...

Organisms which consume and excrete matter...

And guess where we will find the elements that the plants actually use???

In the excretion from the bacteria...

So in essence, you are raising bacteria, so they ca shit NPK on your roots...

Some people claim that the organic process involved creates more complex tastes and what not...

And I can see that in a full organic soil will sunshine... I can see that one would PROBABLY taste better (remember taste is subjective not only person to person but hour to hour) than the other...

But the hassle of dealing with organics... and the possibility of inviting disease...

Well.. I'll just say that I tried it when I could not get H2O2...

I am STILL trying to rid my system of some weird organism that came with the organic nutes...

Even after flushing and changing back to synth nutes.. I am still fighting my pH like crazy...

And the opposite most people would think.. it drops...

So, in my opinion.. it's not that it's bad... it's just an un-necessary hassle to deal with the bacteria and the finagleties of living beings as opposed to just dump the N, th P, and K the=at the plants wants in the forst place...

Did that make any sense?

and just for the arguments sake...

I will not calim this to be TRUE... just an opinion... my thoughts basedon what I have read and backed by having done it...

Even Al felt bad for me when I told him I had to use organics...

 

[Shackleford.R]

I'm getting there... but I do not know how to explain something that is not simple.. simply...

Just bear with me...

we are talking about the elements that make up the fertilizers.. the NPK we look at when we buy our nutes...

get on with it.....

yeah i got you about the NPK... are you saying why introduce everything else that organics bring to the party, when essentially all you need is that NPK (and micro nutes)???

 

[lurkmaster]

Are you one of those guys that jump off of a cliff to prove you cannot fly???

Proven evidence supports that we can't fly on our own so there is no need to.

Alot of stuff is just intuitive understanding and trying things on a smaller scale.

Obviously if I wanted to see if I could fly I would have tried it on a smaller scale before I went for a huge cliff.

 

[GypsyBush]

Its so funny that you say that, because I'm not a baker and I hate following recipes.

I'm a chef and I always love to improvise with what I have and see what I can when I am cooking, literally IRL.

OK so for you, it's not about the cake... you like the cooking...

That's fine... I commend you for that... but you're still green... at least until you pull off a few real harvests...

You have proved your point dude..

And I am that zero newb.. and here I am 6 months later...

Where are you? with more experience than me? really?

And who says I stopped learning...?

I believe I have a stable platform that gives me good results... now, If I change something, I can actually SEE the difference.. not just imagine it...

 

[GypsyBush]

get on with it.....

yeah i got you about the NPK... are you saying why introduce everything else that organics bring to the party, when essentially all you need is that NPK (and micro nutes)???

YES!

You are so much smarter than me...

You said it so simply...

But yeah that is what I was trying to say... big "parties" usually get out of hand...

And it happens SO FAST in hydro that it becomes tricky...

One small mistake could cost a grower his crops... ask Lurk...

 

[anhedonia]

Ive seen grows where the grower does not use ph pen tds or ppm, uses only fox farm nutes and nothing stops him. everything he does turns out successful. Is it luck? I use organic nutes (expensive ones at that) in soil, flush twice during the flowering period, ph every feeding and I cant get my flowering plants to stay green like they should. They seem to always become defficient around 3 weeks till done and that can affect yeild. Veg plants and clones no problem. Its when they go into the tent under the 1000HPS for bloom. I have to use veg nutes for the first 2 weeks of bloom so they dont turn yellow. Somone suggested that I try that and it worked. Ive been at this for almost 2 years and Ive had alot of bad luck. But if anyone can instruct me on how I can use my equipment to do better than I am now Im all ears.

 

[lurkmaster]

get on with it.....

yeah i got you about the NPK... are you saying why introduce everything else that organics bring to the party, when essentially all you need is that NPK (and micro nutes)???

And I will quote stinkbud on this one...

1) 3 separate Aero/NFT flower systems allow me to run a 9 week flower cycle. This allows the buds to fully ripen and also allows me to run strains with more Sativa in them.

2) I use 100% organic nutrients for the sweetest tasting bud you can ever imagine.

Also I might add...

Flushing is one of the most important aspects of my grow. Some will argue that it is not needed. Don't listen to them! Trust me on this, flushing really helps improve the smell and flavor of your bud.

Good in practice, not necessary, doesn't do too much damage if you don't but its better if you do.

https://www.rollitup.org/hydroponics-aeroponics/116859-harvest-pound-every-three-weeks.html



Its ALL preference..

If you are happy with the results from chemical ferts, why switch to organic?

If you truly are after the best smoke possible, you will get the nutrients that will get you the tastiest buds...

Only the you as grower will know what the 'best tasting' buds are, you have your own definition of 'the best'

Don't take someone elses word for it...


Ignorance is bliss, but if you venture outside of the box you might be surprised at how many better things you can find.

 

[DeweyKox]

God fucking dam that was 5 pages to get cought up again, its a fucking chat room in here..... ROCK ON............................