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anhedonia said:

Ive seen grows where the grower does not use ph pen tds or ppm, uses only fox farm nutes and nothing stops him. everything he does turns out successful. Is it luck?

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Just like VETTE...

No luck.. he just live in a place where his water "works" with his nutes...

If ANYONE tried growing where I live without pH maintenance, it would not be a successful one...

I use organic nutes (expensive ones at that)

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Lots of people need money... some are willing to do more than others to get it... including lie...

Just a thought... I don;t even know what nutes you use...

in soil, flush twice during the flowering period, ph every feeding and I cant get my flowering plants to stay green like they should.

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I am the wrong guy to talk about soil... or deficiencies...

The reason I chose hydro was to stay away from that guess work... I have found that "plant" is very hard to speak.. although I have seen proof it can be done...

They seem to always become defficient around 3 weeks till done and that can affect yeild.

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I can see that not being cool...

Veg plants and clones no problem.

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that's one plus...

Its when they go into the tent under the 1000HPS for bloom. I have to use veg nutes for the first 2 weeks of bloom so they dont turn yellow. Somone suggested that I try that and it worked. Ive been at this for almost 2 years and Ive had alot of bad luck.

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Something's wrong...

We can all pitch in and try to help, but soil is really not my thing...

I have used it before, outdoors... only touched it by accident...

My soil grows in South America were just open fields where I threw handfuls of seeds and came back 4 months later...

Most of the time the cows or monkey got there first.. but I had some nice patches...

But as far as advice... sorry bro... I just do not know enough...

But if anyone can instruct me on how I can use my equipment to do better than I am now Im all ears.

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Your best bet is to find a master..

Someone that has been growing in soil for years and years...

Not mine...

I feel bad... I wish I could help...

Maybe you could hit Subcool up... he is a great guy.. and EXPERIENCED too...

FDD is always so busy.. but he would be anither gold mine for you...

DeweyKox said:

God fucking dam that was 5 pages to get cought up again, its a fucking chat room in here..... ROCK ON............................

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No shit...

I would love to watch an INERNATIONAL DEBATE StinkBud vs Al B. Fuct...

Both Masters in their own rights.. but with opposing theories on a lot of stuff...

GypsyBush said:

No shit...

I would love to watch an INERNATIONAL DEBATE StinkBud vs Al B. Fuct...

Both Masters in their own rights.. but with opposing theories on a lot of stuff...

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Yea really.

I guess thats why we always clash lol...

I got most of my ideas from stinkbud.

Ohh.. you finally get it...

I don;t have to be wrong for you to be right...

and on the same page... a person does not have to lie to be full of shit...

I 've heard plenty of shitty thruths...


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Hang on..

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Hey Shack!

Still there buddy???

.. ok now.. go on...

Highlights from jason kings articl in cannabible 3 entitled "why most pot sucks" pg145

"....Ive determined that the same 4 problems plague a suprisingly high percentage of todays kind bud. And its not the genetics! most of the strains people grownowdays would produce amazing medicine if grown, flushed, cured and handled properly.After many years of paying very close attention, I have concluded that when I judge or sample any herb, the importance of these four factors means that Im acctually judging the grower more than the strain. Since most growers arent addressing these four crucial stepsproperly, thier finished product is generally inferior to whats ultimately possible."

"In order for ganja to express it full dazzling array of flavors and all the subtle subtones that come with it, It simply must be grown organically."

"This is not to say that properly grown hydro cant taste delicious. It can be very delicious indeed. But that same strain grown organically will have a more diverse and satisfying flavor, and certainly a better aftertaste."

"Consider this-one of the main tecniques I use to judge herb is to roll a joint and pay particular attention to the second half of the joint. This is where the true test comes in."
"Organic herb almost always tastes great right down to the end of a joint. Chemically grown herb almost always tastes like "schwill" by the second half of the joint. The second half of a bowl or bongload clearly reveals the benifits of organics. With chemically fed hydro you end up with a black cruddy ball of harsh carcinogens, while properly grown organics tastes delicious down to the last hit and the residue blows away as clean gray ash."

Some people will say this guys a stroke but untill they smoke and document as many kinds of herb as jason king and are a true connoiseur then I'll buy your book and take your word for it. Not trying to contribute to bickering but thought his opinion could be assessed in our conversation.

That is why I always say its good practice I flush.. There are so many people out there that explain why.


But hey

Ignorance is bliss, if you haven't tasted the best how do you know how much better it even is!

If you are happy with what you have, why change?

I always flush at least 2 weeks from done. Some for 3.

anhedonia said:

I always flush at least 2 weeks from done. Some for 3.

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I have smoked my own bud that hasn't been flushed and it has been exactly how people that preach flushing describe unflushed bud.

I will always flush if I can.

anhedonia said:

Highlights from jason kings articl in cannabible 3 entitled "why most pot sucks" pg145

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GREAT POST...

And I agree with him until he omits a word...

Fucking Gypsies... always fucking nitpicking everything...

"This is not to say that properly grown hydro cant taste delicious. It can be very delicious indeed. But that same strain grown organically will have a more diverse and satisfying flavor, and certainly a better aftertaste."

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I'd choose to say it like this...

"But that same strain grown organically OUTDOORS IN SOIL will have a more diverse and satisfying flavor, and certainly a better aftertaste."

Fucking gypsies...

"Organic herb almost always tastes great right down to the end of a joint. Chemically grown herb almost always tastes like "schwill" by the second half of the joint.

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Taste is subjuctive...

It's always a matter of opinion...

Get a funky taste in your mouth and EVERY OTHER TASTE changes... whether you realize it or not.. I know you have drank milk after brushing your teeth... right???

The second half of a bowl or bongload clearly reveals the benifits of organics.

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"Clearly" is a bit of an overstatement in my opinion...

Anything so clear would not be argued so much... I think...

With chemically fed hydro you end up with a black cruddy ball of harsh carcinogens, while properly grown organics tastes delicious down to the last hit and the residue blows away as clean gray ash."

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So hydro gives you cancer?

Anything that only burned partially will be blackened and charred...

If I burn a bowl of WOOD down to the end there will be light gray ashes.. as in pretty much all ash...

Some people will say this guys a stroke but untill they smoke and document as many kinds of herb as jason king and are a true connoiseur then I'll buy your book and take your word for it. Not trying to contribute to bickering but thought his opinion could be assessed in our conversation.

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I hear you...

And i believe it is important to have those people in our lives...

I imagine you have learned a lot from him...

Just like most of us learn in life from our parents...

I have realized that my parents were not right about 100% of everything.. even though they had the best of intentions...

Follow your master, but when the time comes, do not be afraid to question him/her...

I say blue, they say white.. I say water, they say clay...

I say flush is optional and cure is not... they say I am wrong.. I laugh and go pick another ounce from my garden...

We are all right... it just takes the light to shine upon us for everyone else to realize it...

lurkmaster said:

That is why I always say its good practice I flush.. There are so many people out there that explain why.

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And there are so many others that explain just the opposite...

Got proof?

GypsyBush said:

And there are so many others that explain just the opposite...

Got proof?

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Have you smoked my unflushed bud that I felt tasted like shit?

It smelled great, dont get me wrong, but it didn't smoke clean at all.



I got to thinking.. and

you dry your bud on a bud rack and you cut the buds off the stems, yes?

I dried my plants on the branches and let them hang dry.



My plants are still alive in essence, just clones out of water.



That might have something to do with it.

lurkmaster said:

That is why I always say its good practice I flush.. There are so many people out there that explain why.


But hey

Ignorance is bliss, if you haven't tasted the best how do you know how much better it even is!

If you are happy with what you have, why change?

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I wish you would keep what you say as you say...

Hard to quote you when you keep going back and changing,,,

no biggie... I'll just add too...

I have flushed... and I saw a loss in total yield...

My bids put on about 25% of their total weight on those last 2 weeks...

Seems counter productive to stress the plant and starve it... just when you want it to be happy and fat...

and I must not have great taste buds.. oh wait my friends were all "tested" too.. and NOT ONE OF THE EXPERIENCED GROWERS in the room, not even the guy who TOLD ME HOW I SHOULD FLUSH...

He was the forst to compliment me an my decision to follow his advice when he was smoking un-flushed cured bud...

anhedonia said:

I always flush at least 2 weeks from done. Some for 3.

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In soil things work different...

I have been told that the flushing thing comes from soil growers... needing to wash the salt build ups on the soil before they became toxic...

Kinda like the airliners turn the cabin lights off for take departure and arrival...

It comes from the old DC-3 days that had no cockpit door, so cabin light was a dangerous nuisance...

I believe a lot of the myth was passed the same way... something not really necessary anymore, but we still do it for good practice...

HERE HERE... That is just my opinion... my practice...

I am not saying anyone is wrong... just that I disagree...

lurkmaster said:

I have smoked my own bud that hasn't been flushed and it has been exactly how people that preach flushing describe unflushed bud.

I will always flush if I can.

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Good for you.. I won;t... I'll let mine stay fed/fat/happy all the way to the end...

Can you imagine the stress of living in a constant nute soup... stable pH...

and then everything changes... no food... pH changes... the whole root environment changes... especially in Hydro... I cannot say anything for soil...

not on thing other than it's well .. dirty...

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Have you smoked my unflushed bud that I felt tasted like shit?

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No.. I want nothing to do with shit... well maybe i fush it...

It smelled great, dont get me wrong, but it didn't smoke clean at all.

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Burning is not a clean process...

If you are trying to describe a taste.. taste is subject...

I know a dude that eats limes peel first, cause he says the fruit tastes great after the peel...

It's like when I say that I like hitting my head with a hammer cause it feels good when I stop...

It's all relative...

I got to thinking.. and

you dry your bud on a bud rack and you cut the buds off the stems, yes?

I dried my plants on the branches and let them hang dry.

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My buds come off the stems when they are ready for jars...

But yeah, I do use a screen...

My plants are still alive in essence, just clones out of water.

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The moment you chop them, they are dying...

period...

Just like mine right...? or are your plants zombies? like the living dead?

That might have something to do with it.

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huh?!?!.. how.. a what????

here are the beauties...

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GypsyBush said:

Can you imagine the stress of living in a constant nute soup... stable pH...

not on thing other than it's well .. dirty...

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Yea.. thats how my grows have been going with foxfarm nutes, haven't had any problems with the pH fluctuating at all, just didn't know that I needed to clean my shit more than once a month, again something I learned on my own.

I always take my plants out when I change my res and flush the roots in my sink and get them as clean as I can.

My tap water is around 7.0, plants seem to be fine with it, and it keeps excess nutrient buildup off my roots.

I generally like to run my fingers through my roots when I do this to break up any clumps of roots I have so new roots can grow all around and get all the water they need without being restricted in one clump.

I just buy gallons of spring water from walmart and throw my nutrients in there, don't even need pH down since the jugs are 6.5 right out of the jug. pH stays pretty stable at around 5.5 with my grow big mixes and around 5.8 for my big bloom/tigerbloom mixes they drop the pH to the perfect levels.

Being the inexperienced grower that I was, I bought pH strips that had very subtle differences in the ph 4-7 range, which is all that really mattered.

I had become accustomed to pH'ing all of my gallons of water for my AG, so right when I got the jugs it became instinct to pH down them with 16 drops (what I had calculated to be ~5.

Well, little did I know, the foxfarm nutrients lowered my pH around a whole point, and the pH strips I was using looked the exact same to me because they were cheap so I assumed they didn't change anything.

I had been growing my shit at a pH of 4.8-5.0 which is why I had a bunch of random deficiencies and other problems.

It was not until I used my friends pH strips that have 2 test colors per reading that I saw there was no need for the pH down and that my pH was an entire point too low the whole time.



I don't know this for a fact, but I'm begginning to think if you buy pH 6.5 water thats not tap, with no chlorine or bullshit in it you never have to check pH or anything as long as you are using organic nutrients.

I think the whole reason why my first round of plants survived their awful nute burn incident because I was using super organic stuff. Had I been using chem ferts those plants would have been toast.

Youve never noticed half way through a bowl everything will be charred and taste like shit? I have to buy cheap pretendo from my neighbor (for the time being till mines cured) and that is how that terrible shit smokes. It tastes awful too. Once you get used to having good bud then go back to that shit it toatally fucking sucks. Its pretty much unseedsd schwag that wasnt taken care of properly and there is TONS of it being passed around. The supply of this shit never seems to run out either. It always shows up in the winter until fall harvest when everyone has dank weed.

brb........

anhedonia said:

Youve never noticed half way through a bowl everything will be charred and taste like shit? I have to buy cheap pretendo from my neighbor (for the time being till mines cured) and that is how that terrible shit smokes. It tastes awful too. Once you get used to having good bud then go back to that shit it toatally fucking sucks. Its pretty much unseedsd schwag that wasnt taken care of properly and there is TONS of it being passed around. The supply of this shit never seems to run out either. It always shows up in the winter until fall harvest when everyone has dank weed.

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I feel you man.. I hate getting bud like that.

I love it when I look into my finished bowl and seeing nothing but white ash thats so fine I can sneeze and itll be gone.

GypsyBush said:

The moment you chop them, they are dying...

period...

Just like mine right...? or are your plants zombies? like the living dead?




huh?!?!.. how.. a what????

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Well, I like to think of the stalks like drinking straws, that retain quite a bit of fluid (water with nutrients in it or just plain water if you flushed) even after you cut it off the plant.

Your buds can still suckle a little of that shit after you chop them. The more stem you have the more of it there is.

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Well, I like to think of the stalks like drinking straws, that retain quite a bit of fluid (water with nutrients in it or just plain water if you flushed) even after you cut it off the plant.

Your buds can still suckle a little of that shit after you chop them. The more stem you have the more of it there is.

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and your point is...????