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huffy420

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Truth is, they didn't build an identical tower and crash a plane into it and set it on fire, so they have no empirical evidence of what it takes to design a tower that is plane and fire-proof.
Small scale, wind tunnel test are performed. With a bit of calculating you can easily figure out what a structure can withstand. Jeez dosnt anyone watch "How It's Made" lol! No high rise in history have collapsed due to fire EVER, 3 fall in one day. WTC7 had a different structural design then WTC1&2. How can both designs be such a pussy when it comes to fire. All three towers really didnt even have a fire.... More like a girl scout fire! Get ya graham crackers n marshmellows kiddies, uncle bush is gonna try to feed yall some bullshit instead.

Need i say more
http://harmonyhealth.wordpress.com/2009/02/10/steel-building-burns-out-but-does-not-collapse/
 

olosto

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What part of they found unreacted thermite that you don't get ... it blows your kinetics bullshit ... and you just can't take it ...


I don't think I'm winning I know I am ... and folks notice he didn't produce the poll showing the majority of American buy the bullshit government story? What did I tell ya? He keeps talking that shit, but when ask to produce ... nothing ... that's how the bushwhack operate ... we are on to your tactics ... your leaders may be allowed by corporate news to get away with outrageous lies ... but no way will I let you get away with that shit here ... no fucking way.:eyesmoke:
bongsmilie
You are hopeless. Enjoy your little world you live in :)
 

olosto

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Small scale, wind tunnel test are performed. With a bit of calculating you can easily figure out what a structure can withstand. Jeez dosnt anyone watch "How It's Made" lol! No high rise in history have collapsed due to fire EVER, 3 fall in one day. WTC7 had a different structural design then WTC1&2. How can both designs be such a pussy when it comes to fire. All three towers really didnt even have a fire.... More like a girl scout fire! Get ya graham crackers n marshmellows kiddies, uncle bush is gonna try to feed yall some bullshit instead.

Need i say more
Steel building burns out in Beijing China, but does not collapse « Harmony Health and Wellness
It wasn't just the fire, it was the debris that fell on it and took out the supports. Fire dept abandoned it.. Why would anyone want to blow up an abandoned building.. No reason.. There has to be a reason.
 
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PadawanBater

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It wasn't just the fire, it was the debris that fell on it and took out the supports. Fire dept abandoned it.. Why would anyone want to blow up an abandoned building.. No reason.. There has to be a reason.

Perhaps the contents of the building were of high priority to be destroyed.

I've heard of which businesses and operation centers were inside building 7. I think if the 'terrorists' were smart, that would have been the target in the first place as it's so important to NYC.


But anyway, I had another question for the guys that think building 7 came down by fire;

Doesn't that bother you? Just a little bit? That there are buildings out there (if the official report is actually what happened) with some of the exact same engineering designs as building 7 and the towers had. How do you feel entering a skyscraper after 911? Do you feel safe? Wouldn't it make sense for the government to come out after the first 3 buildings in human history collapsed due to fire and start an investigation into whether other buildings of similar design around the world pass basic safety standards? What about the new buildings in Dubai, or the towers in China, Japan... I could litterally list dozens of different countries that hold hundreds of different buildings with very similar if not the same design features. All of them are at risk of collapse due to fire if the official report is accurate.

What do you make of that?
 

olosto

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Perhaps the contents of the building were of high priority to be destroyed.

I've heard of which businesses and operation centers were inside building 7. I think if the 'terrorists' were smart, that would have been the target in the first place as it's so important to NYC.


But anyway, I had another question for the guys that think building 7 came down by fire;

Doesn't that bother you? Just a little bit? That there are buildings out there (if the official report is actually what happened) with some of the exact same engineering designs as building 7 and the towers had. How do you feel entering a skyscraper after 911? Do you feel safe? Wouldn't it make sense for the government to come out after the first 3 buildings in human history collapsed due to fire and start an investigation into whether other buildings of similar design around the world pass basic safety standards? What about the new buildings in Dubai, or the towers in China, Japan... I could litterally list dozens of different countries that hold hundreds of different buildings with very similar if not the same design features. All of them are at risk of collapse due to fire if the official report is accurate.

What do you make of that?
The fires mosly likely destroyed everything... That makes no sense... You have no idea from ground level how much deris penetrated the first few floors, there just are not the pics, at least that I have seen.

Its just one improbable scenario after another with this whole theory. I know im not going to convince you if you truely believe that that is how it happened. I can offer how improbable the things you say happen are, but you are not going to believe me just like I am not going to believe improbable after improbable after impossible.

I wish the people that really think this was a government conspiracy luck in getting their second investigation. I would suggest however raising the monies yourself so the taxpayers do not have to pay for this madness. Good day and good luck! :)


Edit: My 1000th post whoo hoo!!!!
 

NoDrama

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God Damn this thing is gettin out of hand, I actually have a life and can't just spend 100 hours finding links or consulting the thesaurus every other sentence. SOME of you obviously have a lot more time than I do to come up with your arguments, mine are just off the cuff. I usually don't post too many links because .......................
 

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NoDrama

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GR,

Do you realize that the scientist you quote who found "nano-thermite" doesn't add up? Nano by definition is 1 billionth of a meter, so putting the dust under a microscope won't show you anything. You'd need a very high-powered electron microscope to pull that one off. Not to mention if the dust were that fine it would have ignited in the fire if not in the initial ignition of the thermite (powdered aluminum is explosive enough, I'd imagine nano-aluminum to be akin to flash powder). No thermite would be left un-reacted.

Also, if the government is so powerful that it can develop this unheard of technologically advanced thermite, run an entire operation to rig the buildings, and execute the plan, why do they suddenly drop the ball at the moment of truth? Anyone with that much intelligence could've easily executed the plan, or would've at least been capable of supressing any such talk as this. The government keeps a lot of things secret from us. If they wanted this to be a secret, I'm pretty confident this debate wouldn't exist. Riddle me this at least: if the destruction of the twin towers was a demolition, why did the government bother to make sure it came down in it's own footprint, seeing as how our lives obviously mean nothing to them? A messy collapse would've been much more convincing, and I find it extremely difficult to believe that the people who planned all of this out missed such a simple detail.

Also, you mention that the towers were constructed specifically to withstand the conditions thrown at it. That may be the case, but engineers say a lot of things about the stuff they design. Truth is, they didn't build an identical tower and crash a plane into it and set it on fire, so they have no empirical evidence of what it takes to design a tower that is plane and fire-proof.

Before you reply with insults about me being "bushwhacked" in the head or whatever, please keep in mind I support neither side yet.

I thought this was funny. I have some Remote Control airplanes that use Nano servos. its just a really small servo, but it sure as fuck isn't 1/billionth of a meter, more like 3/4" across. Just because the name is nano does not mean that it must be that small, nano in this case just means really really fine, unlike something you would normally be able to get. It takes some special equipment to grind aluminum and iron to very small particles and then mix them in ideal amounts with other components. Not something your cooking up in the basement of your moms house.


If they had made the buildings fall over there would be so much damned evidence they would get busted. They had to make sure the buildings were totally dust and thats what they got. Then all the debris was efficiently carried away and buried and all the steel was melted down, before the 911 commision was finished with their investigation. WOW the Federal police sure are dumb, they didn't secure evidence nor the crime scene, just another fucking blunder by the gubbermint that day?

Fuck man, our government is stupid. Instead of these really fucking expensive cruise missile we use to take out buildings, they cost like a million each, why dont we just load people with parachutes into planes and have them fly the planes at the buildings. Holy shit we could save so much money the economy would be fixed. Buildings would disintegrate in our path, none would resist our superior imperialism!!!! Just think, you could level a city the size of Tokyo with just 27 airplanes!! Why stop there, we must have thousands of old airliners in graveyards in the desert. We could level any city we wanted on a whim without ever having to launch a nuclear weapon and getting all that nasty radiation all over everything.
 

olosto

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I thought this was funny. I have some Remote Control airplanes that use Nano servos. its just a really small servo, but it sure as fuck isn't 1/billionth of a meter, more like 3/4" across. Just because the name is nano does not mean that it must be that small, nano in this case just means really really fine, unlike something you would normally be able to get. It takes some special equipment to grind aluminum and iron to very small particles and then mix them in ideal amounts with other components. Not something your cooking up in the basement of your moms house.


If they had made the buildings fall over there would be so much damned evidence they would get busted. They had to make sure the buildings were totally dust and thats what they got. Then all the debris was efficiently carried away and buried and all the steel was melted down, before the 911 commision was finished with their investigation. WOW the Federal police sure are dumb, they didn't secure evidence nor the crime scene, just another fucking blunder by the gubbermint that day?

Fuck man, our government is stupid. Instead of these really fucking expensive cruise missile we use to take out buildings, they cost like a million each, why dont we just load people with parachutes into planes and have them fly the planes at the buildings. Holy shit we could save so much money the economy would be fixed. Buildings would disintegrate in our path, none would resist our superior imperialism!!!! Just think, you could level a city the size of Tokyo with just 27 airplanes!! Why stop there, we must have thousands of old airliners in graveyards in the desert. We could level any city we wanted on a whim without ever having to launch a nuclear weapon and getting all that nasty radiation all over everything.
They market those servos with names like nan because they are small. Look up nano, better yet follow this link...

LOL the secret to nano thermites. [Archive] - JREF Forum

Crazy Chainsaw
7th July 2007, 08:29 PM
Nano super thermites, can be very energetic but there is a ration of Aluminum to Aluminum oxide that must be maintained to keep them so, Chloride in any form upset the ratio.
They are highly reactive to Chloride, you can make them less reactive to chloride by increasing the Aluminum oxide content, and decreasing the energetic fuel the Aluminum.
However if you do that you can not even get them to light a match.
They just loose to much energy, nano thermites are simply nano particles of Aluminum with thin aluminum oxide layers, the thiner the layer the more Chloride effects them.
Nano thermites can be excluded by simple tests which are easily conducted with Nano Aluminum particles to recreate the condition of 9/11/2001.
I would recommend evaporating aluminum with an electrical arc in an oxygen deprived environment. the particles then can precipitate out on a medium with only a small amount of oxide present.
Be careful though they are highly energetic and highly reactive especially to Chlorides.
It has taken me years to figure out how to make them, but I finally succeeded and tested them as I thought they react much like thermites only faster especially chemically faster.
Controlled Demolition with Thermites-Nano thermites is not possible, it is fallacy.

PS. I just felt that I needed to say that after all the work on the spheres and thermites even if no one really cares.
Rahne Everson
7th July 2007, 08:34 PM

Hey I care! :D

Very cool work Chainsaw, as always. Good to see you.

e^n
8th July 2007, 06:36 AM

Chainsaw, you're as crazy as ever :)

Could you do me a favour if you have some spare time, Max Photon is making the claim that thermite was poured into perimeter columns through bolt access holes in order to heat up said columns and make it appear as though they were warped by fire. I think however that thermite would probably burn through the thin steel at the base of a perimeter wall section in seconds and wouldn't produce the effect he is prescribing to it. I'm sure you're the man to find out :)

rwguinn
8th July 2007, 09:05 AM

Nano super thermites, can be very energetic but there is a ration of Aluminum to Aluminum oxide that must be maintained to keep them so, Chloride in any form upset the ratio.
They are highly reactive to Chloride, you can make them less reactive to chloride by increasing the Aluminum oxide content, and decreasing the energetic fuel the Aluminum.
However if you do that you can not even get them to light a match.
They just loose to much energy, nano thermites are simply nano particles of Aluminum with thin aluminum oxide layers, the thiner the layer the more Chloride effects them.
Nano thermites can be excluded by simple tests which are easily conducted with Nano Aluminum particles to recreate the condition of 9/11/2001.
I would recommend evaporating aluminum with an electrical arc in an oxygen deprived environment. the particles then can precipitate out on a medium with only a small amount of oxide present.
Be careful though they are highly energetic and highly reactive especially to Chlorides.
It has taken me years to figure out how to make them, but I finally succeeded and tested them as I thought they react much like thermites only faster especially chemically faster.
Controlled Demolition with Thermites-Nano thermites is not possible, it is fallacy.

PS. I just felt that I needed to say that after all the work on the spheres and thermites even if no one really cares.

Hey--it sounds like fun. Great work if you can make a living at it!

By the way, CC: As a Public service, maybe you ought to PM Lisa and get your "Muse" designation changed to "Do NOT try this at home!":D

MIKILLINI
8th July 2007, 12:45 PM

Crazy Chainsaw, I do believe S. Jones has a problem and is between a rock and a hard place, so to speak, with your revelation of this.

rwguinn
8th July 2007, 02:29 PM

Crazy Chainsaw, I do believe S. Jones has a problem and is between a rock and a hard place, so to speak, with your revelation of this.

not quite right. He already was in the position you describe. It will just be harder for him to ignore it.
Not that he cares a whole lot...

Crazy Chainsaw
8th July 2007, 06:21 PM

Chainsaw, you're as crazy as ever :)

Could you do me a favour if you have some spare time, Max Photon is making the claim that thermite was poured into perimeter columns through bolt access holes in order to heat up said columns and make it appear as though they were warped by fire. I think however that thermite would probably burn through the thin steel at the base of a perimeter wall section in seconds and wouldn't produce the effect he is prescribing to it. I'm sure you're the man to find out :)

One just one thermite spark in the impact could set off the whole charge and the thermite would create molten iron at 2800c that flowed out of the bottom of the Columns.
The Columns would have melted not bowed.
However aluminum chloride in the interior of the columns would have produced bowing without melting. Aluminum Chloride was possible from natural reactions in the twin towers.

Crazy Chainsaw
8th July 2007, 06:30 PM

Crazy Chainsaw, I do believe S. Jones has a problem and is between a rock and a hard place, so to speak, with your revelation of this.

If it had not been for Dr. Joneses papers I would not have known how to make Nano thermites, vaporizing aluminum in a Carbon monoxide and nitrogen atmosphere with a high temp electric arc, and letting the aluminum vapor settle on a solid with nano sized holes to act as molds.
Strip away the thin layer of aluminum then remove the particles from the solid.
The result is particles smaller than a nano meter, although it is a long involved hard to do process that produces only a few particles at a time.
I am sure there is an easier and faster way to do it but not with what I have available.

Zep
8th July 2007, 07:27 PM

If it had not been for Dr. Joneses papers I would not have known how to make Nano thermites, vaporizing aluminum in a Carbon monoxide and nitrogen atmosphere with a high temp electric arc, and letting the aluminum vapor settle on a solid with nano sized holes to act as molds.
Strip away the thin layer of aluminum then remove the particles from the solid.
The result is particles smaller than a nano meter, although it is a long involved hard to do process that produces only a few particles at a time.
I am sure there is an easier and faster way to do it but not with what I have available.Don't forget - you will need a couple of hundred tonnes of this stuff to make any appreciable impression on a building the size of the WTC towers. And you will need to smuggle it into the building in small amounts, so no-one notices.

So let's do the math.

Let's say we need 100 tonnes = 100,000kgs. We can smuggle in and install 100gms per person per day, and there are 10 people in on the deal. That means 1kg per day will be put into each WTC. At that rate, it would take 100,000 days, that is 274 years, to install the required amount of nano-thermite. That's if they never stop for even a day.

Yep, that sure sounds plausible. :rolleyes:
 
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PadawanBater

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Olosto, have you ever considered whoever was behind the collapse, if it was indeed sabotaged, may have used something the public has not seen or is unfamiliar with?

I think I saw you suggest that because thermite can't burn a verticle column, thermite can therefore be ruled out as the compound responsible. Do you believe this to be the case?

We have evidence of thermite at ground zero, there's other data that suggests thermite may have been used. Nobody is saying it's the only thing that could have been used. It could have been plenty of other things.

But that's the data, it's there, what's the explination for it?
 

Antidisestablishmentarian

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I was right. Forget about the actual scientists using large amounts on a blimp (Mythbusters videos, in that link I provided).

Where is your proof thermite burns for weeks?

And if there is unused thermite, why would you think it brought the towers down, I mean it is unused right?
 

NoDrama

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Olosto, have you ever considered whoever was behind the collapse, if it was indeed sabotaged, may have used something the public has not seen or is unfamiliar with?

I think I saw you suggest that because thermite can't burn a verticle column, thermite can therefore be ruled out as the compound responsible. Do you believe this to be the case?

We have evidence of thermite at ground zero, there's other data that suggests thermite may have been used. Nobody is saying it's the only thing that could have been used. It could have been plenty of other things.

But that's the data, it's there, what's the explination for it?

Jeez padawan, haven't you been reading Olosto's posts? The airplanes hit the building with such massive force, akin to a huge meteor hitting at 25,000 MPH. This caused the aluminum fuselage to vaporize and the force of the impact caused the rust from the iron in the building to also vaporize. this in turn combined the 2 elements to create Nano thermite, which then spread to all levels of the building and at the correct moment all of it went off at the same time and brought the buildings down.. Sounds logical to me. Im sure that explains it. I got a puicture of Baby jesus on my toast too. For real dude!!

For making that claim I am going to assume that any argument made by Olosto is far fetched shit, some of it impossible and most of it improbable. The kinetic energy argument is dead, there wasn't shit for an impact force, if there was planes that hit the ground would vaporize the soil and melt it into glass, but that never happens now does it?
 

NoDrama

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I was right. Forget about the actual scientists using large amounts on a blimp (Mythbusters videos, in that link I provided).

Where is your proof thermite burns for weeks?

And if there is unused thermite, why would you think it brought the towers down, I mean it is unused right?
Where is your proof that any normal fire would melt iron and steel for 6 weeks. Much more likely thermite was involved as structural fires do not melt steel, they might soften it, but they don't melt it. not hot enough. Why do steel smelting companies use blast furnaces and not papers, desks and filing cabinets to melt steel? Cuz it don't get hot enough!
 

olosto

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Jeez padawan, haven't you been reading Olosto's posts? The airplanes hit the building with such massive force, akin to a huge meteor hitting at 25,000 MPH. This caused the aluminum fuselage to vaporize and the force of the impact caused the rust from the iron in the building to also vaporize. this in turn combined the 2 elements to create Nano thermite, which then spread to all levels of the building and at the correct moment all of it went off at the same time and brought the buildings down.. Sounds logical to me. Im sure that explains it. I got a puicture of Baby jesus on my toast too. For real dude!!

For making that claim I am going to assume that any argument made by Olosto is far fetched shit, some of it impossible and most of it improbable. The kinetic energy argument is dead, there wasn't shit for an impact force, if there was planes that hit the ground would vaporize the soil and melt it into glass, but that never happens now does it?

I realize you are short a high school physics class....
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=57680

Plane vaporizes on impact. I have posted this 3 times and the servers are fucking up.

Take a HS physics class dude, you need it..
 

jfgordon1

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Small scale, wind tunnel test are performed. With a bit of calculating you can easily figure out what a structure can withstand. Jeez dosnt anyone watch "How It's Made" lol! No high rise in history have collapsed due to fire EVER, 3 fall in one day. WTC7 had a different structural design then WTC1&2. How can both designs be such a pussy when it comes to fire. All three towers really didnt even have a fire.... More like a girl scout fire! Get ya graham crackers n marshmellows kiddies, uncle bush is gonna try to feed yall some bullshit instead.

Need i say more
http://harmonyhealth.wordpress.com/2009/02/10/steel-building-burns-out-but-does-not-collapse/
you're exactly right.

this lady was just chilling when the FIRES took the building down. :spew:

 

huffy420

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It wasn't just the fire, it was the debris that fell on it and took out the supports. Fire dept abandoned it.. Why would anyone want to blow up an abandoned building.. No reason.. There has to be a reason.

Wow... Just wow... U cease to amaze me. We all seen pics and vids. There is NO major structural damages. Especially to any supports!! It took several hours for it to come down, or else it wouldnt of stood that long in the first place. Damn how blind are you!?! If #7 supports were that badly damaged it would have fallen immedeatly. And dont give that fire weakened the rest bullshit!

Obviously you need the physics class homie, cause you still seem to think a dirty burn (normal fire) can reach temps high enough to deform and/or melt structural grade steel...

And dont forget what else u learned in HS physics/basicfuckin science... There is a difference between heat and temperature. Or do u need a wake up call on that too?
 

olosto

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Wow... Just wow... U cease to amaze me. We all seen pics and vids. There is NO major structural damages.
Thats an outright lie.. Fire fighters abandoned the building because the fires and strustural conditions. They had bigger things to worry about and knew it would either collase or not reguardless of what they did. There were also reports that the first few floors had been incurred by debris.. You need to saty off this thread unless you are going to site the things your saying because the bullsit has not stpped with you and now everything you say is labeled bs. when you get so many things wrong with no cites to back yourself up, then you lose...
 

NoDrama

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I realize you are short a high school physics class....
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=57680

Plane vaporizes on impact. I have posted this 3 times and the servers are fucking up.

Take a HS physics class dude, you need it..

Ok lets go with your theory then shall we.

If the plane vaporizes on impact, then why do we find parts of the airplane, some of them out in the streets and on top of other buildings? Also, if it were to vaporize then lets summarize what would happen to the buildings, lets use a quote from the article you linked shall we?...."Except for some slight indentation, the concrete slab was largely undamaged by the impact."

What is more dense Mr high school physics dude? Steel or concrete? Steel of course! Not even a comparison. So your plane hitting an even more dense object should have vaporized even more completely, but FUCK NO that didn't happen. shit some of the terrorists passports were found out in the street, they are only made of paper and they fucking survived? You saw the pics of airplane parts I linked, makes your vaporized airplane theory kinda disproven right there don't it? And if the concrete was undamaged then by god the fucking building sure as shit should not have disintegrated in mid air now should it?

Do you see what this is making your kinetic energy theory look like? a Laughing stock, No One here except you thinks the plane hit with so much kinetic force that it melted the building. Your kinetic energy theory is not only absurd but an affront to common sensibilities.
 

huffy420

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Thats an outright lie.. Fire fighters abandoned the building because the fires and strustural conditions. They had bigger things to worry about and knew it would either collase or not reguardless of what they did. There were also reports that the first few floors had been incurred by debris.. You need to saty off this thread unless you are going to site the things your saying because the bullsit has not stpped with you and now everything you say is labeled bs. when you get so many things wrong with no cites to back yourself up, then you lose...

Hah! Hahahah... Ur the one stating outright lies! What u say mimics that of the gubbermint=LIES! I have sourced my posts. But apparently u ignore that too. Who the fuck are u to tell me to stay off this thread anyway! Dont get upset cause im prooving u wrong, kay?

"Even if one accepts all of NIST's claims about extensive structural damage to WTC 7, and its claims about fires on several different floors, its collapse scenario is not remotely plausible. The alleged damage was asymmetric, confined to the tower's south side, and any weakening of the steelwork from fire exposure would also be asymmetric. Thus, even if the damage were sufficient to cause the whole building to collapse, it would have fallen over asymmetrically -- toward the south. But WTC 7 fell straight down, into its footprint."

References
http://www.wtc7.net/damageclaims.html

I didnt say there wasnt any major damage. There is major damage to the exoskeleton. Only minor damage to structural(supports). Read it right and quit jumping the gun to call me a liar! If it were that much structural damage(to support columns) the building wouldnt have stood half the day. On fire or not.. Yes it might have been abanndoned, only cause no one was in that building anyway. There are people to rescue across the street.

I only connect iron for a living.. What the fuck do I know right? Lol u really are too deep in defending the gubbermint. No hope for u now..
 

what... huh?

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My time is short guys... I will get back to all of your replies.

On the woman standing in the hole...

While not the safest place to stand, it would be one of the coolest. That hole was feeding the majority of the 7 story blaze with oxygen. Air would be sucking past there creating a pretty cool vacuum. The fire itself was over 3 stories above. I would expect that she eventually jumped before the building collapsed as the fire engulfed the areas around her. I don't have time to research now... but that would be my guess. I mean... there is molten metal spitting out that one corner on the other side... please stop arguing that the fire wasn't hot.

Heat rises. Fire consumes oxygen. A tunnel feeding a fire above with oxygen will be cooled.

bbl with more.
 
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