BudmanTX
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Looks like Israel did help a tad.........hope they didn't need this....
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BudmanTX
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Someone may not be around anymore.....still waiting on confirmation
k0rps
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Me either, that's my point, it was BudmanTX who brought up the picture.. I assumed he (and the thread) knows what Hitler, the famous/fascist Nazi leader, looks like. Maybe you can ask him why he brought up Hitler and those who work with Nazis.
Also, What you're referring to was in the 1940s.. there was no plan of genocide when the Zionists made a deal with Nazis.
The Nazis imagined that this “New Germany” would be composed solely of so-called “Aryan” Germans and would exclude those people that they considered "undesirable" for racial, social, or political reasons. Groups deemed “unfit” included Jewish people, Roma and Sinti (“Gypsies”), people with disabilities, and others whose identities, beliefs, or behaviors did not conform to Nazi goals. Members of these groups were labeled as “outsiders.” The Nazis and their supporters targeted them with discriminatory laws and acts of terror and violence.During the first six years of Hitler's dictatorship, from 1933 until the outbreak of war in 1939, Jews felt the effects of more than 400 decrees and regulations that restricted all aspects of their public and private lives.
Exclusion of Jews from German Economic Life
November 12, 1938. On this date, the German government issued the Decree on the Elimination of the Jews from the Economic Life.encyclopedia.ushmm.org
Exclusion of Jews in Nazi Germany
A digital tool for studying the Holocaust through unique, original sources.
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This may sound familiar to what's been happening today in Palestine. And the region, Zionists plan for a "Greater Israel". Is this not colonization with brutal force under the guise of "fighting terror" while murdering children and and bombing densely populated areas? I would say it is.
In a January 2024 recording, Israeli politician Avi Lipkin was stating: “… eventually, our borders will extend from Lebanon to the Great Desert, which is Saudi Arabia, and then from the Mediterranean to the Euphrates. And who is on the other side of the Euphrates? The Kurds! And the Kurds are friends. So we have Mediterranean behind us, the Kurds in front of us, Lebanon, which really needs the umbrella of protection of Israel, and then we’re gonna take, I believe we’re gonna take Mecca, Medina and Mount Sinai, and to purify those places."
hanimmal
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I still am confused. Some religious nut meeting with Hitler had what to do with the Jewish people escaping Nazi Germany?Me either, that's my point, it was BudmanTX who brought up the picture.. I assumed he (and the thread) knows what Hitler, the famous/fascist Nazi leader, looks like. Maybe you can ask him why he brought up Hitler and those who work with Nazis.
Also, What you're referring to was in the 1940s.. there was no plan of genocide when the Zionists made a deal with Nazis.
The Nazis imagined that this “New Germany” would be composed solely of so-called “Aryan” Germans and would exclude those people that they considered "undesirable" for racial, social, or political reasons. Groups deemed “unfit” included Jewish people, Roma and Sinti (“Gypsies”), people with disabilities, and others whose identities, beliefs, or behaviors did not conform to Nazi goals. Members of these groups were labeled as “outsiders.” The Nazis and their supporters targeted them with discriminatory laws and acts of terror and violence.
Exclusion of Jews in Nazi Germany
A digital tool for studying the Holocaust through unique, original sources.
This may sound familiar to what's been happening today in Palestine. And the region, Zionists plan for a "Greater Israel". Is this not colonization with brutal force under the guise of "fighting terror" while murdering children and and bombing densely populated areas? I would say it is.
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In a January 2024 recording, Israeli politician Avi Lipkin was stating: “… eventually, our borders will extend from Lebanon to the Great Desert, which is Saudi Arabia, and then from the Mediterranean to the Euphrates. And who is on the other side of the Euphrates? The Kurds! And the Kurds are friends. So we have Mediterranean behind us, the Kurds in front of us, Lebanon, which really needs the umbrella of protection of Israel, and then we’re gonna take, I believe we’re gonna take Mecca, Medina and Mount Sinai, and to purify those places."
k0rps
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No, did I say that? Not sure why you're confused..
Nazi = bad/fascist, genocide, discrimination
Zionist = bad/fascist, genocide, discrimination
Hezbollah = a resistance group formed as a result of Zionists' terrorism and colonization
America = unbridled capitalism, hundreds of bases in foreign countries, vetoed many UN ceasefire deals, funding genocide, absorbed Nazis, works with Zionists for capitalist interests and supplying munitions to the "most moral army" in the world in turn killing innocent humans.
Comparing how America, Zionists, "some religious nut" all worked with Nazi's is confusing?
hanimmal
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I didn't say you said that, I was asking what you were saying.
Im with you there.
I don't feel the 'bad' fits here. And just saying Genocide doesn't make it true. I am not saying that sick shit is not going on, and that there is not a very real chance that genocide could occur. But as of now, that is just not the case.
I am not sure that it is possible to colonize a place they had always been in.
Great branding, but I don't think that discription really means anything. People in this country have a lot of wealth and are able to make and buy stuff.
True.
True.
True, my people can attest to that. At least one half of them can, the other half was the ones geocoding them.
True. I don't think we are unique in this, but we did take as many of their best and brightest to try to stop them from hooking up the Soviets.
I think it goes beyond 'capital interests'. And war kills innocent people. As horrific as it is, and with how great it would be to stop war, it becomes very hard to avoid.
Nope, but you just kinda jumped into some scree about it when others point to the evil that those religious nuts did to those innocent people that kicked this war off.
I am very much not a fan of Isreal's dictator, and wish that his people would kick him out of power (as well as the rest of the severe racists they have elected) as soon as possible. But like all Americans, we are not in charge of them, and can't do much outside of follow the laws of our land in making sure we don't abandon our allies, so when shit kicks off, it is not just us vs all the worlds dictators looking to have free reign to murder anyone they want to get what they want.
That is something that as much as it sucks, allowing Netanyahu break our treaties and run to Putin because we fell for his sick obvious troll and he can just then do whatever the hell he wants to those poor people stuck in Gaza (and the West Bank) would be a worse outcome.
k0rps
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What would you call Israel's terrorism, mass murder, bombing of schools, hospitals and residential buildings, continued forced/threatened removal of native Arabs... "Self-defense"?
Europeans have only recently colonized Palestine within the last century.
..former British Prime Minister Arthur Balfour was most famous for something he wrote after he left that office: The 1917 Balfour Declaration, which announced Britain's support for the establishment of a "national home for the Jewish people" in Palestine, a region previously ruled by the Ottomans.
Another thing Ireland and Palestine had in common were the Black and Tans. They were a brutal British police force named for the color of their uniforms, and infamous for killing Irish civilians in the early 20th century. After Irish independence, the Black and Tans deployed to British Mandate Palestine, where they exercised colonial power over the mostly Arab population there.
The anatomy of Zionist genocide
What are the motivations behind Israel’s genocidal acts in Gaza, and what is the way forward?
Yoav Litvin
In response to historical trauma, Jewish people have a deep fear of anti-Semitism. In the late 19th and early 20th centuries, this fear, along with disdain for oppressors, led to the formation of autonomous Jewish self-defence groups in various geographies.
Zionism, a European colonial movement, recognised the potential of this dynamic. It syncretised Jewish longing for safety and self-defence with white supremacist, messianic and fascistic ideologies. This synthesis birthed a new, nationalist Jewish identity that equates Jewish safety with the construction of an exclusivist homeland in Palestine through the displacement of the region’s Indigenous populations.
Settler colonial endeavours typically depend on depicting the targeted territory as “uninhabited”, and its existing inhabitants as inhuman barbarians unworthy of any land.
This portrayal allowed Zionists to displace the Indigenous population of Palestine without moral qualms, portraying the establishment of Israel not as the destruction of a people but as the construction of a “villa in the jungle”.
Within the Israeli society grounded in land and resource theft, offensive aggression under the guise of “self-defence” (as in “Israel Defence Force”) has been rewarded and reinforced from the very beginning and consequently became a routine part of life. By reinstating fear and hijacking trauma associated with past and present negative experiences of Jewish people, Zionist leaders ensured the settler population’s continued support for aggressive, expansionist, hegemonic, genocidal policies and shielded their corruption and other criminal endeavours from public scrutiny.
To maintain Israel’s violently oppressive status quo and expand the territory of the settler colony, Zionists opportunistically conflated their colonial ideology with Judaism.
Citing divine dispensation, radical, far-right settlers have been encouraged to seize hilltops on Palestinian land, expel those living there, and form illegal outposts. These outposts are later fortified by the Israeli military and eventually “legalised” by the Zionist state.
Beyond justifying violent land theft, the conflation of Zionism and Judaism serves to delegitimise Indigenous resistance by equating any criticism of Zionism or Israel’s policies towards the Palestinians as an attack on Jews. Further, it hinders anticolonial resistance by portraying a political struggle over land and resources between occupying settlers backed by imperial forces and an Indigenous-occupied people as a supposed ancient religious “conflict” between equals.
The anatomy of Zionist genocide
What are the motivations behind Israel’s genocidal acts in Gaza, and what is the way forward?
How is Israel portrayed in the media?
hanimmal
Well-Known Member
War.
Outside of all the bullshit that those knee benders over in Europe did all over the globe because some Nepo-brat thought it was a good idea, what does that have to do with you saying that the Jewish people were colonizing that area?
Should I also trust RT for the real inside info in Putin's war in Ukraine?The anatomy of Zionist genocide
What are the motivations behind Israel’s genocidal acts in Gaza, and what is the way forward?
Yoav Litvin
In response to historical trauma, Jewish people have a deep fear of anti-Semitism. In the late 19th and early 20th centuries, this fear, along with disdain for oppressors, led to the formation of autonomous Jewish self-defence groups in various geographies.
Zionism, a European colonial movement, recognised the potential of this dynamic. It syncretised Jewish longing for safety and self-defence with white supremacist, messianic and fascistic ideologies. This synthesis birthed a new, nationalist Jewish identity that equates Jewish safety with the construction of an exclusivist homeland in Palestine through the displacement of the region’s Indigenous populations.
Settler colonial endeavours typically depend on depicting the targeted territory as “uninhabited”, and its existing inhabitants as inhuman barbarians unworthy of any land.
This portrayal allowed Zionists to displace the Indigenous population of Palestine without moral qualms, portraying the establishment of Israel not as the destruction of a people but as the construction of a “villa in the jungle”.
Within the Israeli society grounded in land and resource theft, offensive aggression under the guise of “self-defence” (as in “Israel Defence Force”) has been rewarded and reinforced from the very beginning and consequently became a routine part of life. By reinstating fear and hijacking trauma associated with past and present negative experiences of Jewish people, Zionist leaders ensured the settler population’s continued support for aggressive, expansionist, hegemonic, genocidal policies and shielded their corruption and other criminal endeavours from public scrutiny.
To maintain Israel’s violently oppressive status quo and expand the territory of the settler colony, Zionists opportunistically conflated their colonial ideology with Judaism.
Citing divine dispensation, radical, far-right settlers have been encouraged to seize hilltops on Palestinian land, expel those living there, and form illegal outposts. These outposts are later fortified by the Israeli military and eventually “legalised” by the Zionist state.
Beyond justifying violent land theft, the conflation of Zionism and Judaism serves to delegitimise Indigenous resistance by equating any criticism of Zionism or Israel’s policies towards the Palestinians as an attack on Jews. Further, it hinders anticolonial resistance by portraying a political struggle over land and resources between occupying settlers backed by imperial forces and an Indigenous-occupied people as a supposed ancient religious “conflict” between equals.
The anatomy of Zionist genocide
What are the motivations behind Israel’s genocidal acts in Gaza, and what is the way forward?www.aljazeera.com
Because I do not. At all. I don't trust dictator owned media to not use cherry picked loaded narratives to push their agenda.
It is a shame, hopefully there will be more reputable information sources from all the areas of the globe that is currently under attack just like we are.
Can you please define 'media' so I can answer the question.
Media can mean anything. Crayon Crayons is media, and sells over 5 billion a year (last I looked I think that number is right, but it was a surprisingly huge number), so if that was the type I would say:
If you mean news stations:
I just read that title of that video. Did you mean that question was a set up for that video? I thought it was a legit question sorry if I over answered.
BarnBuster
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Institute for the Study of War
The Israel Defense Forces (IDF) continued advancing into southern Lebanon on October 3. Geolocated imagery indicates Israeli troop movements around the western axis of advance, specifically around Aitaroun and Yaroun.
BudmanTX
Well-Known Member
idk if your a Hezbollah commander now and day, you life expectance is definitely shortened
1, 2, 3,........who wants to be next
1, 2, 3,........who wants to be next
k0rps
Well-Known Member
Explain how 76 years of (illegal) occupation/colonization, bombing buildings protected by international laws, supporting illegal settlements and releasing violent settlers of their crimes, targeting/killing a world record amount of journalists to hide their despicable actions and murdering children is "war".
I appreciate having a decent conversation and do not wish to argue, so hope it doesn't come off as sounding combative. I think that an honest scope of the situation (history, Israel's actions and US unwaivering support) is needed. I would be grateful to get to a resolution or see a change within my lifetime.. we'll see.
What do you mean by knee benders? All I can think of is football stars taking a knee in support of their brothers/sisters who've been victims of discrimination and brutality..
Either way, Zionists had support from Nazis (at first), Europe and America (for their own capitalist goals, ie oil, control of shipping routes, goods etc via Suez Canal and Mediterranean Sea, a general presence in the area to manipulate governments aka ((terrorizing the region)) "establishing democracy" with funding/support of prominent leaders/members of the WEF) to colonize Palestine and establish other capital interests in the Middle East.
You can listen to and trust whatever it is you desire, does it mean that it's not influenced by certain POVs that manipulate the truth? Not necessarily. As I've shown previously, the major news & media corps (and Hollywood) is owned and influenced by a select few, having strong support/ties to Zionism.
Al Jazeera, as much as you may dislike them, gives voice to a wider range than US (Zionist agenda & POV) backed news. They've also been awarded many times for their brave journalism and coverage. Here's an example of some awarded this year:
There's an obvious reason Israel wants to control the narrative.. targeting/killing many journalists, raided/shut down Al Jazeera outlets in the area. Sad and disgusting, Israel is committing war crimes and crimes against humanity and wants to hide the truth, lying through their/our news media sources.
Hollywood and American/Zionist news sources: subliminal messages, manipulated truths and skewed points of view, subtle jabs and rhetoric against Arabs/Muslims, POC and whites (divide & conquer), predictive programming, glorifying Israel's colonization/displacement of indigenous peoples and murdering innocent children/people while portraying it as "targeting terrorists", at least 50+ innocent people dead each time, residential neighborhoods destroyed and people still stuck under the rubble/missing...
This is not a "war", this is state sponsored terrorism.
I sincerely hope things change for the better and cooler heads make decisions leading to peace/change for all in the region, in the world.. It's seriously disheartening to watch the region destroyed burned, bombed, colonized and brutality controlled by Zionists when the majority of people just want to live in peace and chase their own dreams.. the resistance wouldn't exist if there was nothing to resist..
Edit: link to Al Jazeera awards
Prestigious Emmys awarded for Gaza coverage by Bisan Owda with AJ+ and Al Jazeera English for Fault Lines | Al Jazeera Media Network
Al Jazeera Media Network is proud to announce that it has been honoured with two prestigious News Emmy® Awards in the 45th Annual News and Documentary Emmy® Award competition. The winners were announced on 25 September 2024 in New York City by the National Academy of Television Arts & Sciences...
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hanimmal
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Assuming that all that is what is happening in the senecio youre saying is the case, how is that not war?
No worries on my end, if I ever come off as a dick feel free to call me out on it please and I will take it down some notches.
I am with you on this.
Basically people that willingly (and in some cases happily) 'bend a knee' or submit to some dick head that think they are somehow better than everyone else because of their parents or because some higher power, also really anyone that thinks they are better than anyone looking for others to have to submit.
Just to make it more enjoyable, I basically mean the old dude in this clip is who I think we should all achieve to be when up against it.
I am extremely proud to be an American after we were able to oust our dictator in one term. And as much as it sucks that he has been able to use our legal system to try to pull the same fascistic move Netanyahu has, and is a coin flip away from regaining power, I still think we have it in us to keep our democracy thriving. But we shall see. I worry for the nations that are in the crosshairs of shit heads like Putin, Netanyahu, and Xi if we don't.
If nothing else. At this point I would say that regardless of where it all started from, or the horrendous acts that have happened. Israel really fucked up letting Netanyahu back in power lost the ability to have the high road when they are suppressing people from having the ability to live a free and fair life and they need to be given full citizenship and have all the rights that go with it.
When it comes right down to it, the rich nepotistic white guys that did all this shit, where the same ones stopping our own citizens from being able to vote until the mid 60s and even then systemically suppressed the ability for it to do much for several more decades. We are just getting to the point of full representation here in America, and the spawn of those same assholes are kicking and screaming trying to tear down our system of government because they lost total power here.
There is for sure 'viewpoints' and whatnot. But going as far as actually lying in a story to sell a narrative that the dictators that own the business you work for in a way that is set up to be weaponized against other nations' democracies is the problem with just trusting a source like RT or AJ, the Hill, etc.
I would for recommend sticking with the AP news for things you truly care to know what's what about. They stick to just straight up facts and report them. Sometimes I will notice a slant one way or the other, usually with titles and the first paragraph, but nothing that is incorrect or cherry picked to fit a narrative out of them. And if they do, it will get screamed about and retracted and that journalist is screwed and will have to have a existence like John Solomon selling out to Putin.
Ah that video, I will have to watch it. Does it have spooky music and shaky cam? I really hope it does.
But I would point out that just because the Jewish people had a head start with many businesses by investing early and often throughout history doesn't mean it is nefarious.
I Always hear about 'the Jews' when it comes to this, but I am always curious (but never actually looked) at how much of these industries is actually owned by white people and other racial groups as a percentage. I am guessing it is vastly more than Jewish people are, but I could be wrong.
Then I think of jokers like Chappell who points out he saw a lot of Jewish people at parties and stuff. But how much of that is because the Jewish people didn't have the same racial bigotry holding back their eye for talent. And because they were the people with the capital to give him the platform to kill it, when they would invite him out, they would have lots of friends and family that would be Jewish also, because that's how family works, and it was noticeable to Chappell how different it was.
Im sure youre right about the imagery in many cases, I spent the early part of my life watching glued to stuff like Rambo, living in a racist as shit city nestled between Detroit and Dearborn.
And you will get no arguments from me about Netanyahu being as bad as Putin with attacking our nations' citizens online. All these dictators need to get taught a lesson that they are not going to be allowed to mess with our vulnerable.
This turns into one of those definition things, but I really would not differentiate those two things. War is terrorizing.
It is horrifying what is going on.
lol Donald Trump has awards too.Edit: link to Al Jazeera awards
Prestigious Emmys awarded for Gaza coverage by Bisan Owda with AJ+ and Al Jazeera English for Fault Lines | Al Jazeera Media Network
Al Jazeera Media Network is proud to announce that it has been honoured with two prestigious News Emmy® Awards in the 45th Annual News and Documentary Emmy® Award competition. The winners were announced on 25 September 2024 in New York City by the National Academy of Television Arts & Sciences...network.aljazeera.net
I am not saying that they do not do some great reporting. It is just a shame that the stuff the actual journalists would like us to know wont all get published because they are owned by a dictator that is using their credibility to sell us their narrative. Anything you truly care about and feel emotional responses to, I would highly recommend just looking for the info on the AP and absorbing as much as they have on it to make sure you have as much info as can be verified.
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BudmanTX
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you know i'm kinda wondering is there some kind of axis with BiBi and the Orange Avenger? when it comes to the middle east. At most it's a smoke screen for Pooty with his war in Ukraine....but still...
BudmanTX
Well-Known Member
jet powered drones in the sky.......nice development, i remember seeing when they were just doing testingHappy hunting lil fella......
k0rps
Well-Known Member
Palestine and Lebanon ‘places without civilians’ for Israel: UN rapporteur
Francesca Albanese, the UN special rapporteur for the occupied Palestinian territories, says Palestine and Lebanon have effectively become places where there are no civilians in the eyes of the Israeli military.
“All terrorists, deserving to die. Men, women, kids,” she wrote in a post on X. “This monstrosity must end.”
An investigation by Palestinian sources has uncovered evidence, including videos, where Israeli commanders and soldiers explain how they shoot at unarmed civilians in war zones.
aje.io
Israel continue Lebanon bombing; war on Gaza approaches one-year mark
-An Israeli drone strike on Beddawi camp in northern Lebanon has killed a Hamas military official along with his wife and two young daughters.
-Lebanon’s Health Ministry says more than 2,000 people killed so far in Israel’s attacks across the country, including 127 children and 261 women.
-Hamas says its commander in Tulkarem is among 18 people killed from yesterday’s Israeli jet fighter attack on the occupied West Bank refugee camp.
-The US says it carried out air strikes on 15 targets in Houthi-controlled areas of Yemen.
-Iran’s Foreign Minister Abbas Araghchi warned Israel that if it carries out an attack on Iran, Tehran’s “retaliation will be stronger than the previous one”.
-In Gaza, at least 41,825 people have been killed and 96,910 injured in Israeli attacks since October 2023. In Israel, at least 1,139 people were killed in the Hamas-led attacks on October 7 and more than 200 people were taken captive.
aje.io
Francesca Albanese, the UN special rapporteur for the occupied Palestinian territories, says Palestine and Lebanon have effectively become places where there are no civilians in the eyes of the Israeli military.
“All terrorists, deserving to die. Men, women, kids,” she wrote in a post on X. “This monstrosity must end.”
An investigation by Palestinian sources has uncovered evidence, including videos, where Israeli commanders and soldiers explain how they shoot at unarmed civilians in war zones.
Israel vows retaliation for Iran attack as its strikes kill 25 in Lebanon
The Israeli army has said it will respond to Iran’s missile attack in ‘manner, location and time’ of its choosing.
Israel continue Lebanon bombing; war on Gaza approaches one-year mark
-An Israeli drone strike on Beddawi camp in northern Lebanon has killed a Hamas military official along with his wife and two young daughters.
-Lebanon’s Health Ministry says more than 2,000 people killed so far in Israel’s attacks across the country, including 127 children and 261 women.
-Hamas says its commander in Tulkarem is among 18 people killed from yesterday’s Israeli jet fighter attack on the occupied West Bank refugee camp.
-The US says it carried out air strikes on 15 targets in Houthi-controlled areas of Yemen.
-Iran’s Foreign Minister Abbas Araghchi warned Israel that if it carries out an attack on Iran, Tehran’s “retaliation will be stronger than the previous one”.
-In Gaza, at least 41,825 people have been killed and 96,910 injured in Israeli attacks since October 2023. In Israel, at least 1,139 people were killed in the Hamas-led attacks on October 7 and more than 200 people were taken captive.
Israel vows retaliation for Iran attack as its strikes kill 25 in Lebanon
The Israeli army has said it will respond to Iran’s missile attack in ‘manner, location and time’ of its choosing.
a reminder that consistent back and forth ends up derailing the thread, i realize it right now is "peaceful" but the thread isnt about you two and neither of you are changing each others minds and/or perspectives that has been proven in the 10000000 years of debating on this forum
When you make it just about you two going back and forth it goes under "thread derailment" which means you are over taking the forum to bicker back and forth and it isnt about you its about war topic in general
When you make it just about you two going back and forth it goes under "thread derailment" which means you are over taking the forum to bicker back and forth and it isnt about you its about war topic in general
BudmanTX
Well-Known Member
Really? lol
i wonder why? life expectancey maybe?
i wonder why? life expectancey maybe?
BudmanTX
Well-Known Member
i always say i love a good set of hackers, especially when they're doing stuff for the right reasons......
no daily dose of propaganda for you people..........
no daily dose of propaganda for you people..........
BudmanTX
Well-Known Member
yeah i kinda knew this was gonna happen......
euromaidanpress.com
especially when the transit hub is in Kursk, and UA has control over it.......
Ukraine to end Russian gas transit deal despite Slovak Prime Minister's plea - Euromaidan Press
Ukraine has declared it will not renew its gas transit agreement with Russia once the current deal expires, according to Ukrainian Prime Minister Denys Shmyhal
euromaidanpress.com
especially when the transit hub is in Kursk, and UA has control over it.......