BudmanTX
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oh ef off Lavrov......
your date at the Hague can't come soon enough.........
your date at the Hague can't come soon enough.........
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k0rps
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WATCH: Failing Gaza – Behind the Lens of Western Media
When political leaders speak of genocide, they repeat a timeworn mantra: “Never again”.
Over the past year, for the Palestinians of Gaza, “again” has become reality – mass casualties broadcast almost in real time by its victims.
This film is about an alternative version of that reality – the one told by major Western news organisations – and how it has provided cover for Israel’s war on Gaza.
Based on interviews with more than a dozen insiders, it lifts the curtain on the inner workings of agenda-setting outlets like CNN, the BBC and The New York Times.
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When political leaders speak of genocide, they repeat a timeworn mantra: “Never again”.
Over the past year, for the Palestinians of Gaza, “again” has become reality – mass casualties broadcast almost in real time by its victims.
This film is about an alternative version of that reality – the one told by major Western news organisations – and how it has provided cover for Israel’s war on Gaza.
Based on interviews with more than a dozen insiders, it lifts the curtain on the inner workings of agenda-setting outlets like CNN, the BBC and The New York Times.
Israel vows retaliation for Iran attack as its strikes kill 25 in Lebanon
The Israeli army has said it will respond to Iran’s missile attack in ‘manner, location and time’ of its choosing.
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BudmanTX
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seagul says what?
me thinks someone is running out of money for this war.....hmmm
k0rps
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Wafa Al-Udaini, who wrote articles about the war in English advocating the Palestinian viewpoint, was killed when a missile struck her house in the central city of Deir Al-Balah, also killing her husband and their two children. Udaini’s death raised the number of Palestinian journalists killed in the Israeli offensive since Oct. 7 to 174.
In another strike, a Palestinian was killed and several were wounded in Rafah, near the border with Egypt, while in the northern town of Beit Hanoun an airstrike killed one man and injured others, medics said. An Israeli airstrike on a house in Nuseirat, one of Gaza Strip’s eight historic refugee camps, killed six people, health officials said.
Some residents said fighting and Israeli military activities in Gaza have declined slightly in the past week as Israel has escalated its military offensive in Lebanon. While the intensity of the ground offensive has been lower, Israel has kept up its airstrikes in the enclave, they added.
Most of Gaza’s population of 2.3 million has been displaced by the war, in which more than 41,500 Palestinians have been killed, according to Gaza health authorities.
French President Emmanuel Macron urged a halt to arms deliveries to Israel, which has been criticized over the conduct of its retaliatory operation in Gaza. “I think that today, the priority is that we return to a political solution, that we stop delivering weapons to fight in Gaza,” Macron told broadcaster France Inter. “France is not delivering any,” he added during the interview recorded early this week.
The US provides about $3 billion in weapons to Israel each year.
In May, the State Department said it did not have enough evidence to block shipments of weapons but that it was “reasonable to assess” that Israel has used arms in ways inconsistent with standards of humanitarian law. In September, Britain said it was suspending some arms exports to Israel, citing a “clear risk” that they could be used in a serious breach of international humanitarian law.
Macron reiterated his concern over the conflict in Gaza that is continuing despite repeated calls for a ceasefire.
“I think we are not being heard,” he said. “I think it is a mistake, including for the security of Israel,” he said, adding that the conflict was leading to “hatred.” Macron also said avoiding an escalation in Lebanon was a “priority.”
“Lebanon cannot become a new Gaza,” he added.
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In another strike, a Palestinian was killed and several were wounded in Rafah, near the border with Egypt, while in the northern town of Beit Hanoun an airstrike killed one man and injured others, medics said. An Israeli airstrike on a house in Nuseirat, one of Gaza Strip’s eight historic refugee camps, killed six people, health officials said.
Some residents said fighting and Israeli military activities in Gaza have declined slightly in the past week as Israel has escalated its military offensive in Lebanon. While the intensity of the ground offensive has been lower, Israel has kept up its airstrikes in the enclave, they added.
Most of Gaza’s population of 2.3 million has been displaced by the war, in which more than 41,500 Palestinians have been killed, according to Gaza health authorities.
French President Emmanuel Macron urged a halt to arms deliveries to Israel, which has been criticized over the conduct of its retaliatory operation in Gaza. “I think that today, the priority is that we return to a political solution, that we stop delivering weapons to fight in Gaza,” Macron told broadcaster France Inter. “France is not delivering any,” he added during the interview recorded early this week.
The US provides about $3 billion in weapons to Israel each year.
In May, the State Department said it did not have enough evidence to block shipments of weapons but that it was “reasonable to assess” that Israel has used arms in ways inconsistent with standards of humanitarian law. In September, Britain said it was suspending some arms exports to Israel, citing a “clear risk” that they could be used in a serious breach of international humanitarian law.
Macron reiterated his concern over the conflict in Gaza that is continuing despite repeated calls for a ceasefire.
“I think we are not being heard,” he said. “I think it is a mistake, including for the security of Israel,” he said, adding that the conflict was leading to “hatred.” Macron also said avoiding an escalation in Lebanon was a “priority.”
“Lebanon cannot become a new Gaza,” he added.
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It's tough because Republicans won't fund Ukraine's efforts against the Russian invasion unless funds also make it to Israel, so you have to do 25% the right thing and 75% the wrong thing for Israel/Gaza, in order to do 100% the right thing in Ukraine. Or, do nothing at all for anyone. Right now, those seem to be the only choices.
hanimmal
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I have always tried to make clear that I am extremely naive when it comes to foreign affairs. I have met many people from these war-torn/non allied areas and do know that we are all humans. We all feel the same emotions, have similar dreams, kids wills till play similar in the worse conditions as they would if they were at some American suburban water park, families will still love one another, and fight hard for those they love and need protecting. At the end of the day, I have seen that we are all just humans, and hating or categorizing any particular group and believing that they are different is a waste of time. Thinking that I am not willing to change my mind, or have the ability to listen to conflicting views is a bummer, because I am and do.
Outside of movies like Rambo and hearing all my life how this region is always on the verge of kicking off WW3. I stayed somewhat ignorant when I would hear people talking about this (being in college math courses you end up meeting people from all sorts of countries and can end up having some truly outstanding conversations), because I didn't want to interject when I could see how truly raw these conversations would get and didn't want to interrupt.
One question I always had, and something that I have not really heard said anywhere about this, was when did Jewish people land in Gaza. All the videos about it directly started with stuff like 'who controlled', but I didn't really give a shit about that, I wanted to know who lived there. I started to watch a video about this areas population and changes over the centuries, but stopped almost instantly since it answered my question.
Being an American, in more recent years acknowledging the contributions of the people we tortured and forced into doing the hard labor of our nation, and knowing that we need to include a lot more than white guys in the 'our forefathers built this' discussion. When I came across Egyptians settled this area 5000 years ago, I had my answer. With my limited knowledge one thing that had always been my understanding is that Egyptians used the Jewish people as slaves. And if the Egyptians moved into this areas and started to do work, that would mean that the Jewish people were also there working right along side them from the start.
But it has given me a lot more information and am glad I watched it.
If anyone is interested in a Detroit conversation about the last year of hell out of this region.
I wish all the people in this region can soon live their lives freely in true peace, safety, and prosperity.
Outside of movies like Rambo and hearing all my life how this region is always on the verge of kicking off WW3. I stayed somewhat ignorant when I would hear people talking about this (being in college math courses you end up meeting people from all sorts of countries and can end up having some truly outstanding conversations), because I didn't want to interject when I could see how truly raw these conversations would get and didn't want to interrupt.
One question I always had, and something that I have not really heard said anywhere about this, was when did Jewish people land in Gaza. All the videos about it directly started with stuff like 'who controlled', but I didn't really give a shit about that, I wanted to know who lived there. I started to watch a video about this areas population and changes over the centuries, but stopped almost instantly since it answered my question.
Being an American, in more recent years acknowledging the contributions of the people we tortured and forced into doing the hard labor of our nation, and knowing that we need to include a lot more than white guys in the 'our forefathers built this' discussion. When I came across Egyptians settled this area 5000 years ago, I had my answer. With my limited knowledge one thing that had always been my understanding is that Egyptians used the Jewish people as slaves. And if the Egyptians moved into this areas and started to do work, that would mean that the Jewish people were also there working right along side them from the start.
I am two hours into this examination of a panel discussion of the and really wish they would have had a better panelist for the pro-Palestinian side.
But it has given me a lot more information and am glad I watched it.
If anyone is interested in a Detroit conversation about the last year of hell out of this region.
I wish all the people in this region can soon live their lives freely in true peace, safety, and prosperity.
I think at this point the specifics of what each side does, serves mostly as a manipulative influence to push people to take sides, when there really aren't any good guys in this conflict to get behind. What ends up happening is people become super passionate about supporting their guy and then do a bunch of "yeah but..." mental gymnastics to excuse why their guy is basically a hero for doing bad stuff and the other guy is a bad guy for doing bad stuff.
Each side has good reason to do what they're doing as a general concept, but their hatred for each other causes them to do it in terrible ways. Since Israel has more resources, they're able to do more of it, but all that means is that our only choices of people to support is bad and more bad. In real life, there is no grading on a curve where more bad causes the other bad to become good, which means I'd have to corrupt my character in order to create the non-existent reality that's necessary to actually take a side. From there it becomes more clear, I'm for no one and against the behaviors of everyone.
Also, I know it's not great to disparage regions like you're saying, but the middle east pretty much sucks when it comes to everyone that's not a hetero mainstream male comporting to all norms. I don't think that treating gays poorly falls under the category of different and that's fine, they're all welcome to live in bigoted cultures and I feel no need to impose my western beliefs on them. I'm just not going to like any cultures that don't aspire to view all categories of peoples as being equal.
Each side has good reason to do what they're doing as a general concept, but their hatred for each other causes them to do it in terrible ways. Since Israel has more resources, they're able to do more of it, but all that means is that our only choices of people to support is bad and more bad. In real life, there is no grading on a curve where more bad causes the other bad to become good, which means I'd have to corrupt my character in order to create the non-existent reality that's necessary to actually take a side. From there it becomes more clear, I'm for no one and against the behaviors of everyone.
Also, I know it's not great to disparage regions like you're saying, but the middle east pretty much sucks when it comes to everyone that's not a hetero mainstream male comporting to all norms. I don't think that treating gays poorly falls under the category of different and that's fine, they're all welcome to live in bigoted cultures and I feel no need to impose my western beliefs on them. I'm just not going to like any cultures that don't aspire to view all categories of peoples as being equal.
BudmanTX
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This guy isn't happy at all with Orban......
yeah this German politican isn't happy at all..
yeah this German politican isn't happy at all..
BudmanTX
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damn spoke to soon, looks like UA found the Bransky ammo dump.....they struck it last night..
that 4 if i am right.....
lets see significant less ammo for the front, war bonds........2025 might get a little interesting in this conflict as long as we as voters keep that orange asshole out of office
that 4 if i am right.....
lets see significant less ammo for the front, war bonds........2025 might get a little interesting in this conflict as long as we as voters keep that orange asshole out of office
Lol that is awesome. German culture doesn't fancy sugarcoating.
BudmanTX
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the whole EU is dog piling him right now.......and it's great
k0rps
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When you say "sides" are you referring to the A. European colonizers & Jewish Settlers who've come into B. indigenous Arabs land forcing them out? I think the specifics do need to be mentioned because we are witnessing a US funded genocide and mass displacement of innocent humans, it's absolutely disgraceful.
What mental gymnastics does one do to defend their country from US/Zionist invasion? Are Palestinians and Lebanese allowed to defend themselves? Is it okay for Israel to murder innocent civilians with US made weapons/bombs?
No one is a hero for killing innocent humans. Hezbollah has targeted military sites each attack, while Israel has carpet bombed Gaza and Beirut, destroyed schools, hospitals, care sites and refugee camps filled with people. There is clear, ample evidence the US-backed Israel/Zionist parties are doing the most intense damage and should be held accountable for their war crimes and crimes against humanity.
interesting, tell us more.. What's a good reason to displace millions of people for Israel to colonize/control the land, sea and air? What is a good reason for the US to have military bases around the world? Capitalism is killing the planet, destroying the ecosystem and murdering or enslaving innocent people across the world..
I agree. The hate, dehumanization and US-funded deaths/destruction need to stop! Zionist children in Israel are taught from a young age to hate their Arab neighbors and dream of colonizing the land.. it's sickening. US does it through movies, tv shows and news programs.
True. Because US/UK has funded/supported them all this time.. As Americans we should be ashamed at what our tax dollars are funding. Do you agree with Israel's "war" response and the US sending munitions to carry out these attacks? I don't agree with any of the actions taken by the US or Israel, but have met plenty of folks who parrot talking points that rationalize this "war" against civilians by dehumanizing them.
Agreed. It's crazy to see in this day European/American colonization, it's a shame really.. What would you do if violent immigrants/settlers came to your home and stole your land by brutal force or killed your neighbor's family, burned your generational crops/family land etc?
This is one of those talking points..
Common parroting while having no personal knowledge of the people/area but "that's fine".
Like Israel? The most bigoted terrorist/partheid state.
That's good.. US imperialism is doing this around the world.
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k0rps
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The Problem Isn’t Just Netanyahu. It’s Israeli Society.
Despite blaming the prime minister, a large majority of Jewish Israeli citizens support his destructive policies in Gaza and beyond.
A large majority—88 percent—of Jewish Israelis polled in January believe the astounding number of Palestinian deaths, which had surpassed 25,000 at the time, is justified. A large majority of the Jewish public also thinks that the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) is using adequate or even too little force in Gaza. Couched in the idea that Hamas forced this “war of no choice” upon Israel and the people of Gaza and that Hamas must be destroyed as a matter of Israeli survival, even the threat of imminent famine in Gaza has not provoked opposition to the campaign.
Further, in a February poll by the Israel Democracy Institute, around two-thirds of Jewish respondents (63 percent) said they oppose the proposal for Israel to agree in principle to the establishment of an independent, demilitarized Palestinian state. Israeli leaders have framed the movement underway internationally for governments to unilaterally recognize Palestine as a state to be rewarding the Palestinians for the Oct. 7 attack.
You don’t need a poll to discover that support for a two-state solution, much less for Palestinian basic rights of freedom and self-determination, has been steadily declining among Jewish Israelis in recent years, and today is probably the lowest it has ever been. You can just look at the positions of Israel’s Jewish political parties. Almost none of them endorse a two-state solution, and the ones in power actively reject it, working fastidiously to thwart it from ever happening.
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Despite blaming the prime minister, a large majority of Jewish Israeli citizens support his destructive policies in Gaza and beyond.
FOR YEARS, ISRAELIS HAVE BEEN ABLE—through military and economic domination—to disregard the single most pressing issue facing the country—its control over millions of Palestinians. The shock and trauma inflicted by the Oct. 7 attack opened the floodgates even further on what is considered acceptable.
A large majority—88 percent—of Jewish Israelis polled in January believe the astounding number of Palestinian deaths, which had surpassed 25,000 at the time, is justified. A large majority of the Jewish public also thinks that the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) is using adequate or even too little force in Gaza. Couched in the idea that Hamas forced this “war of no choice” upon Israel and the people of Gaza and that Hamas must be destroyed as a matter of Israeli survival, even the threat of imminent famine in Gaza has not provoked opposition to the campaign.
Further, in a February poll by the Israel Democracy Institute, around two-thirds of Jewish respondents (63 percent) said they oppose the proposal for Israel to agree in principle to the establishment of an independent, demilitarized Palestinian state. Israeli leaders have framed the movement underway internationally for governments to unilaterally recognize Palestine as a state to be rewarding the Palestinians for the Oct. 7 attack.
You don’t need a poll to discover that support for a two-state solution, much less for Palestinian basic rights of freedom and self-determination, has been steadily declining among Jewish Israelis in recent years, and today is probably the lowest it has ever been. You can just look at the positions of Israel’s Jewish political parties. Almost none of them endorse a two-state solution, and the ones in power actively reject it, working fastidiously to thwart it from ever happening.
The Problem Isn’t Just Netanyahu. It’s Israeli Society.
Despite blaming the prime minister, a large majority of Jewish Israeli citizens support his destructive policies in Gaza and beyond.
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Oh my dude....this is precisely what I'm talking about. Deep into the my-guy-can-do-no-wrong and your-guy-can-do-no-right trap. Good luck to you.When you say "sides" are you referring to the A. European colonizers & Jewish Settlers who've come into B. indigenous Arabs land forcing them out? I think the specifics do need to be mentioned because we are witnessing a US funded genocide and mass displacement of innocent humans, it's absolutely disgraceful.
What mental gymnastics does one do to defend their country from US/Zionist invasion? Are Palestinians and Lebanese allowed to defend themselves? Is it okay for Israel to murder innocent civilians with US made weapons/bombs?
No one is a hero for killing innocent humans. Hezbollah has targeted military sites each attack, while Israel has carpet bombed Gaza and Beirut, destroyed schools, hospitals, care sites and refugee camps filled with people. There is clear, ample evidence the US-backed Israel/Zionist parties are doing the most intense damage and should be held accountable for their war crimes and crimes against humanity.
interesting, tell us more.. What's a good reason to displace millions of people for Israel to colonize/control the land, sea and air? What is a good reason for the US to have military bases around the world? Capitalism is killing the planet, destroying the ecosystem and murdering or enslaving innocent people across the world..
I agree. The hate, dehumanization and US-funded deaths/destruction need to stop! Zionist children in Israel are taught from a young age to hate their Arab neighbors and dream of colonizing the land.. it's sickening. US does it through movies, tv shows and news programs.
True. Because US/UK has funded/supported them all this time.. As Americans we should be ashamed at what our tax dollars are funding. Do you agree with Israel's "war" response and the US sending munitions to carry out these attacks? I don't agree with any of the actions taken by the US or Israel, but have met plenty of folks who parrot talking points that rationalize this "war" against civilians by dehumanizing them.
Agreed. It's crazy to see in this day European/American colonization, it's a shame really.. What would you do if violent immigrants/settlers came to your home and stole your land by brutal force or killed your neighbor's family, burned your generational crops/family land etc?
This is one of those talking points..
Common parroting while having no personal knowledge of the people/area but "that's fine".
Like Israel? The most bigoted terrorist/partheid state.
That's good.. US imperialism is doing this around the world.
k0rps
Well-Known Member
Thanks! May we see peace within our lifetime and a stop in all the injustices we (USA) are funding/supporting around the world.
Best to you and yours~ Peace
BudmanTX
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man the ATESH movement is doing pretty good these days.....hope Russia didn't need those drones.....be aweful if they loose them
oops spoke to soon......owe well
oops spoke to soon......owe well
BudmanTX
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looks like someone (Orban) got the 
all i got to say is ..............damn
all i got to say is ..............damn
BudmanTX
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Looks like those jet powered little hunters got something........possible air base....still trying to confirm...
now that's how u strike deep into Russia, go get them boys....
now that's how u strike deep into Russia, go get them boys....
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k0rps
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UN inquiry accuses Israel of crime of ‘extermination’
A United Nations inquiry says it found that Israel carried out a concerted policy of destroying Gaza’s healthcare system in the Gaza war, actions amounting to both war crimes and the crime against humanity of extermination.
A statement by ex-UN High Commissioner for Human Rights Navi Pillay released ahead of a full report accused Israel of “relentless and deliberate attacks on medical personnel and facilities” in the war.
“Children in particular have borne the brunt of these attacks, suffering both directly and indirectly from the collapse of the health system,” said Pillay, whose report will be presented to the UN General Assembly on October 30.
The UN inquiry’s statement also accused Israeli forces of deliberately killing and torturing medical personnel, targeting medical vehicles and restricting permits for patients to leave the besieged Gaza Strip.
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A United Nations inquiry says it found that Israel carried out a concerted policy of destroying Gaza’s healthcare system in the Gaza war, actions amounting to both war crimes and the crime against humanity of extermination.
A statement by ex-UN High Commissioner for Human Rights Navi Pillay released ahead of a full report accused Israel of “relentless and deliberate attacks on medical personnel and facilities” in the war.
“Children in particular have borne the brunt of these attacks, suffering both directly and indirectly from the collapse of the health system,” said Pillay, whose report will be presented to the UN General Assembly on October 30.
The UN inquiry’s statement also accused Israeli forces of deliberately killing and torturing medical personnel, targeting medical vehicles and restricting permits for patients to leave the besieged Gaza Strip.
Updates: Israeli strikes hit central area of Lebanon’s Beirut, killing 22
These were the updates on Israel’s attacks on Lebanon for Thursday, October 10.
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