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cannabineer
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We’ll just great. That’s all we need . Buncha coked-up Russian infantry.
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Russian planes continue to fall, says Ukraine as it claims six more jets shot down
Ukraine has destroyed six Russian warplanes in the past three days, according to Ukraine's ministry of defence.
"Russian planes continue to fall! This morning defenders of the sky shot down two Russian planes in the eastern direction - an Su-34 fighter-bomber and an Su-35 fighter," the Ukrainian MOD wrote on social media platform X..
"In three days, Ukraine destroyed six Russian jets."
Colonel General Oleksandr Syrsky, the commander-in-chief of Ukraine's armed forces, said: "This morning, the air force of the armed forces of Ukraine destroyed two Russian planes that were attacking the positions of our troops with guided air bombs,
"Thanks for the work!"
The Ukrainian MOD said two Su-34s and one Su-35 had been shot down on Saturday, with another Su-34 being destroyed on Sunday.
In December 2023, the loss of three Su-34 fighter-bombers prompted the Russian Aerospace Forces to nearly halt crewed operations in southern Ukraine, the UK Ministry of Defence reported at the time.
The news comes after the UK Ministry of Defence confirmed the removal of Admiral Viktor Sokolov, Russia’s Black Sea Fleet commander after Ukraine said it had destroyed another Russian warship.
www.forces.net
Ukraine has destroyed six Russian warplanes in the past three days, according to Ukraine's ministry of defence.
"Russian planes continue to fall! This morning defenders of the sky shot down two Russian planes in the eastern direction - an Su-34 fighter-bomber and an Su-35 fighter," the Ukrainian MOD wrote on social media platform X..
"In three days, Ukraine destroyed six Russian jets."
Colonel General Oleksandr Syrsky, the commander-in-chief of Ukraine's armed forces, said: "This morning, the air force of the armed forces of Ukraine destroyed two Russian planes that were attacking the positions of our troops with guided air bombs,
"Thanks for the work!"
The Ukrainian MOD said two Su-34s and one Su-35 had been shot down on Saturday, with another Su-34 being destroyed on Sunday.
In December 2023, the loss of three Su-34 fighter-bombers prompted the Russian Aerospace Forces to nearly halt crewed operations in southern Ukraine, the UK Ministry of Defence reported at the time.
The news comes after the UK Ministry of Defence confirmed the removal of Admiral Viktor Sokolov, Russia’s Black Sea Fleet commander after Ukraine said it had destroyed another Russian warship.
Russian planes continue to fall, says Ukraine as it claims six more jets shot down
The Sukhoi Su-34 is Russia's top supersonic strike aircraft, but is proving vulnerable to Ukraine's air defences, according to officials.
BudmanTX
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almost 80k of troops to take Aviika......WOW
and that's an estimate, it might go higher
and that's an estimate, it might go higher
Sativied
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Packed a bit much in this post but contains several angles and topics. I truly believe this (rutte getting the job...) would be very good for Ukraine.
MUNICH, Feb 17 (Reuters) - Outgoing Dutch Prime Minister Mark Rutte, the frontrunner to be the next secretary-general of NATO, said on Saturday that Europe should stop whining about Donald Trump and focus instead on what it could do for Ukraine. Former U.S. President Trump has sparked outrage in Europe, saying that if re-elected in November he would not defend NATO allies who fail to spend enough on defence.
"We should stop moaning and whining and nagging about Trump," Rutte told the Munich Security Conference. He added: "It's up to the Americans. I'm not an American, I cannot vote in the U.S. We have to work with whoever is on the dance floor."
He said Europe should in any case be spending more on defence and ramping up ammunitions production, not just because Trump might come back. He said Europe needed to increase its support for Ukraine because it was in its interests.
"And all that whining and moaning about Trump. I hear that constantly over the last couple of days. Let's stop doing that," Rutte said, adding that after talking with U.S. politicians in Munich he was "cautiously optimistic" that a U.S. military aid package that has stalled would eventually pass.
NATO Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg has been in post since 2014 and is due to step down in October 2024. His term was extended in July for a fourth time, as the alliance's 31 members opted to stick with an experienced leader rather than try to agree on a successor with Russia's war in Ukraine raging on NATO's doorstep. Before NATO decided to stick with Stoltenberg, diplomats said Rutte would have been a strong candidate to succeed him, but the Dutchman had insisted he was not available at that time.
Newcomer Finland also expressed its support. And Germany:
www.euractiv.com
"Scholz was categorically opposed that von der Leyen would become NATO chief,”
This was after US Secretary of State Anthony Blinken supposedly suggested von der Leyen for the top job, and US President Joe Biden asked Scholz for his opinion on the matter, according to the report."
nltimes.nl
"If Rutte is appointed head of NATO in the spring, there will probably not yet be a new Cabinet. Whether Rutte will then remain in office as the outgoing head of government is a political decision. There has never been a situation like this in recent Dutch history."
This aged well...
2014, Rutte talks with Putin about gay rights in Russia.
2014, Rutte talks with Obama about gay rights in the US:
Rutte appreciating Trudeau's profile
I'm j/k. He's normally a quip-machine, disarms people with jokes and than switches to dead-serious no-nonsense again. He is also still is a highschool teacher a few hours per week and holds a PhD in History and American history geek so except for with Trump as Potus a trip to the US is fun on a personal level too.
Sort of republican-light when it comes to economy, neo-liberal, far from leftie/socialist. "carry your own weight". Killed too much of our welfare state. Refused to form a cabinet with far-right though. We used to call him Teflon Mark, whatever happened, cabinets falling, national scandals (about not adressing earthquake damages in gas mining areas fast enough, and ethnic profiling in welfare fraude), he always survived. 5th cabinet fell early last year, he's available now. As few would nationally and in EU would disagree regardless of their position on the spectrum, he's the smartest guy in the room.
Was against Ukraine's EU membership initially for the same good reasons he's great for Ukraine now: he actually believes in the whole EU and liberal democracy thing, by the book. Equality for all (just a little bit for more big corp so money can trickle down... it doesn't). And while nothing compared to the misery Russia causes in Ukraine, Rutte still has a bone to pick with Russia over the downing of MH17, which is about the only time he got emotional in the not typical jolly way.
MUNICH, Feb 17 (Reuters) - Outgoing Dutch Prime Minister Mark Rutte, the frontrunner to be the next secretary-general of NATO, said on Saturday that Europe should stop whining about Donald Trump and focus instead on what it could do for Ukraine. Former U.S. President Trump has sparked outrage in Europe, saying that if re-elected in November he would not defend NATO allies who fail to spend enough on defence.
"We should stop moaning and whining and nagging about Trump," Rutte told the Munich Security Conference. He added: "It's up to the Americans. I'm not an American, I cannot vote in the U.S. We have to work with whoever is on the dance floor."
He said Europe should in any case be spending more on defence and ramping up ammunitions production, not just because Trump might come back. He said Europe needed to increase its support for Ukraine because it was in its interests.
"And all that whining and moaning about Trump. I hear that constantly over the last couple of days. Let's stop doing that," Rutte said, adding that after talking with U.S. politicians in Munich he was "cautiously optimistic" that a U.S. military aid package that has stalled would eventually pass.
NATO Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg has been in post since 2014 and is due to step down in October 2024. His term was extended in July for a fourth time, as the alliance's 31 members opted to stick with an experienced leader rather than try to agree on a successor with Russia's war in Ukraine raging on NATO's doorstep. Before NATO decided to stick with Stoltenberg, diplomats said Rutte would have been a strong candidate to succeed him, but the Dutchman had insisted he was not available at that time.
Newcomer Finland also expressed its support. And Germany:
Scholz prevented von der Leyen from NATO’s top job bid – media reports
German Chancellor Olaf Scholz allegedly opposed the idea of incumbent European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen running for NATO’s secretary-general post, according to German media.
"Scholz was categorically opposed that von der Leyen would become NATO chief,”
This was after US Secretary of State Anthony Blinken supposedly suggested von der Leyen for the top job, and US President Joe Biden asked Scholz for his opinion on the matter, according to the report."
US supports Rutte to become NATO Secretary General
“The United States and most Western countries" support outgoing Prime Minister Mark Rutte to become the new NATO Secretary General, General Onno Eichelsheim said on the TV program WNL Op Zondag. "It actually looks very positive.
nltimes.nl
"If Rutte is appointed head of NATO in the spring, there will probably not yet be a new Cabinet. Whether Rutte will then remain in office as the outgoing head of government is a political decision. There has never been a situation like this in recent Dutch history."
This aged well...
2014, Rutte talks with Putin about gay rights in Russia.
2014, Rutte talks with Obama about gay rights in the US:
Rutte appreciating Trudeau's profile
I'm j/k. He's normally a quip-machine, disarms people with jokes and than switches to dead-serious no-nonsense again. He is also still is a highschool teacher a few hours per week and holds a PhD in History and American history geek so except for with Trump as Potus a trip to the US is fun on a personal level too.
Sort of republican-light when it comes to economy, neo-liberal, far from leftie/socialist. "carry your own weight". Killed too much of our welfare state. Refused to form a cabinet with far-right though. We used to call him Teflon Mark, whatever happened, cabinets falling, national scandals (about not adressing earthquake damages in gas mining areas fast enough, and ethnic profiling in welfare fraude), he always survived. 5th cabinet fell early last year, he's available now. As few would nationally and in EU would disagree regardless of their position on the spectrum, he's the smartest guy in the room.
Was against Ukraine's EU membership initially for the same good reasons he's great for Ukraine now: he actually believes in the whole EU and liberal democracy thing, by the book. Equality for all (just a little bit for more big corp so money can trickle down... it doesn't). And while nothing compared to the misery Russia causes in Ukraine, Rutte still has a bone to pick with Russia over the downing of MH17, which is about the only time he got emotional in the not typical jolly way.
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I'm fine w/the Dutch man as NATO sec.gen.,Stoltenberg gave a decade of fine service IMO,from a historical perspective Rutte is a good choice for the job.Packed a bit much in this post but contains several angles and topics. I truly believe this (rutte getting the job...) would be very good for Ukraine.
MUNICH, Feb 17 (Reuters) - Outgoing Dutch Prime Minister Mark Rutte, the frontrunner to be the next secretary-general of NATO, said on Saturday that Europe should stop whining about Donald Trump and focus instead on what it could do for Ukraine. Former U.S. President Trump has sparked outrage in Europe, saying that if re-elected in November he would not defend NATO allies who fail to spend enough on defence.
"We should stop moaning and whining and nagging about Trump," Rutte told the Munich Security Conference. He added: "It's up to the Americans. I'm not an American, I cannot vote in the U.S. We have to work with whoever is on the dance floor."
He said Europe should in any case be spending more on defence and ramping up ammunitions production, not just because Trump might come back. He said Europe needed to increase its support for Ukraine because it was in its interests.
"And all that whining and moaning about Trump. I hear that constantly over the last couple of days. Let's stop doing that," Rutte said, adding that after talking with U.S. politicians in Munich he was "cautiously optimistic" that a U.S. military aid package that has stalled would eventually pass.
NATO Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg has been in post since 2014 and is due to step down in October 2024. His term was extended in July for a fourth time, as the alliance's 31 members opted to stick with an experienced leader rather than try to agree on a successor with Russia's war in Ukraine raging on NATO's doorstep. Before NATO decided to stick with Stoltenberg, diplomats said Rutte would have been a strong candidate to succeed him, but the Dutchman had insisted he was not available at that time.
Newcomer Finland also expressed its support. And Germany:
Scholz prevented von der Leyen from NATO’s top job bid – media reports
German Chancellor Olaf Scholz allegedly opposed the idea of incumbent European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen running for NATO’s secretary-general post, according to German media.
"Scholz was categorically opposed that von der Leyen would become NATO chief,”
This was after US Secretary of State Anthony Blinken supposedly suggested von der Leyen for the top job, and US President Joe Biden asked Scholz for his opinion on the matter, according to the report."
US supports Rutte to become NATO Secretary General
“The United States and most Western countries" support outgoing Prime Minister Mark Rutte to become the new NATO Secretary General, General Onno Eichelsheim said on the TV program WNL Op Zondag. "It actually looks very positive.
"If Rutte is appointed head of NATO in the spring, there will probably not yet be a new Cabinet. Whether Rutte will then remain in office as the outgoing head of government is a political decision. There has never been a situation like this in recent Dutch history."
This aged well...
2014, Rutte talks with Putin about gay rights in Russia.
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2014, Rutte talks with Obama about gay rights in the US:
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Rutte appreciating Trudeau's profile
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I'm j/k. He's normally a quip-machine, disarms people with jokes and than switches to dead-serious no-nonsense again. He is also still is a highschool teacher a few hours per week and holds a PhD in History and American history geek so except for with Trump as Potus a trip to the US is fun on a personal level too.
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Sort of republican-light when it comes to economy, neo-liberal, far from leftie/socialist. "carry your own weight". Killed too much of our welfare state. Refused to form a cabinet with far-right though. We used to call him Teflon Mark, whatever happened, cabinets falling, national scandals (about not adressing earthquake damages in gas mining areas fast enough, and ethnic profiling in welfare fraude), he always survived. 5th cabinet fell early last year, he's available now. As few would nationally and in EU would disagree regardless of their position on the spectrum, he's the smartest guy in the room.
Was against Ukraine's EU membership initially for the same good reasons he's great for Ukraine now: he actually believes in the whole EU and liberal democracy thing, by the book. Equality for all (just a little bit for more big corp so money can trickle down... it doesn't). And while nothing compared to the misery Russia causes in Ukraine, Rutte still has a bone to pick with Russia over the downing of MH17, which is about the only time he got emotional in the not typical jolly way.
printer
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I heard about the Ukrainians hijacking Russian drones.
Canada to donate over 800 drones to Ukraine for defence
Canada will donate more than 800 SkyRanger R70 multi-mission Unmanned Aerial Systems to Ukraine to help in its war with Russia, Canada's Defence Minister Bill Blair said on Monday.
The drones, sourced from Teledyne in Waterloo, Ontario, have been valued at over C$95 million ($70.44 million), the ministry said, adding that the donation was funded by the C$500 million in military assistance announced by Prime Minister Justin Trudeau during a Kyiv visit last year.
"Today's announcement ensures that Ukraine has the drones it needs to detect and identify targets which are critical to Ukraine's ongoing fight. Canada will stand with Ukraine for as long as it takes," Blair said.
Since February 2022, Canada had committed over C$9.7 billion in aid to Ukraine, including over C$2.4 billion in military assistance, the country's defence ministry said in a statement.
Most recently, during a meeting with NATO allies in Brussels on Feb. 14, Blair said that Canada will donate over C$60 million to Ukraine.
Canada to donate over 800 drones to Ukraine for defence
Canada will donate more than 800 SkyRanger R70 multi-mission Unmanned Aerial Systems to Ukraine to help in its war with Russia, Canada's Defence Minister Bill Blair said on Monday.
The drones, sourced from Teledyne in Waterloo, Ontario, have been valued at over C$95 million ($70.44 million), the ministry said, adding that the donation was funded by the C$500 million in military assistance announced by Prime Minister Justin Trudeau during a Kyiv visit last year.
"Today's announcement ensures that Ukraine has the drones it needs to detect and identify targets which are critical to Ukraine's ongoing fight. Canada will stand with Ukraine for as long as it takes," Blair said.
Since February 2022, Canada had committed over C$9.7 billion in aid to Ukraine, including over C$2.4 billion in military assistance, the country's defence ministry said in a statement.
Most recently, during a meeting with NATO allies in Brussels on Feb. 14, Blair said that Canada will donate over C$60 million to Ukraine.
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printer
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Why Germany is rattled about sending its Taurus missile to Ukraine
The fuss about the Taurus is about its fuze — which makes it a bridge-killer.
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Russia has broken the stalemate in Ukraine: Former US Defense secretary
The Russian military has broken the stalemate in the Ukraine war, Robert Gates, former CIA director and secretary of Defense, said Wednesday, following Moscow’s successful push to take the front-line city of Avdiivka.
“It’s no longer a stalemate. The Russians have regained momentum,” Gates told The Washington Post’s David Ignatius in a streaming interview. “Everything I’m reading is that the Russians are on the offensive along the 600-mile front.”
Russia has suffered staggering losses in the war, he noted, but with Ukraine now confronting artillery shortages due to flagging U.S. support, “the Russians are feeling that the tides have turned, and while there is much to be done, the initiative has passed to them,” Gates said.
“They have more and more supplies coming in — I’ve read that for every artillery shell fired by Ukrainian forces, the Russians fire 10,” he added.
Russian officials announced Monday that its forces finalized their capture of the key Ukrainian city of Avdiivka after taking full control of the city’s large coke plant. The costly operation marked Russia’s first major victory in months, and its most significant gain since taking nearby Bakhmut last spring.
President Biden pinned the blame for Ukraine battlefield losses directly on House Republicans, who have refused to back additional aid to Kyiv without major immigration reform.
Gates noted that European allies in NATO, “who we so often criticize,” have stepped up their support to Ukraine, but lack the ability to immediately send weapons. Production timelines will see NATO support reach the battlefield in 2025, he estimated.
Right now, “the only real military lifeline comes from the United States. And as we all know, that is, shall we say, on pause right now,” he said.
Aid to Ukraine still lingers in the House, where Speaker Mike Johnson (R-La.) is caught between moderates who support Ukraine and far-right members who oppose it without major concessions from Democrats on the border.
Gates called out Congress specifically for being too slow on approving key battlefield capabilities throughout the war, such as missile systems that have allowed strikes against Russian-occupied Crimea, which he called a “no-brainer.”
“Congress will debate for a year or more whether to send the Ukrainians tanks, and after a year, they’ll send tanks,” he said. These weapons could have arrived “a year and a half” earlier, and their delay has restrained Ukraine’s abilities, he said.
The timing of the current aid package — Biden requested a $60 billion supplemental, which was part of a bipartisan Senate package passed earlier this month — is going to be a determining factor in Ukraine’s survival against a revived Russian offensive in 2024, Gates said.
“One of the main values of the package of assistance that’s on the Hill right now, is it would provide Ukraine with significant air-defense capacity, and the wherewithal to establish a strong defensive barrier so they don’t lose any more territory,” Gates said.
Passing the package would send a message to Russia that “they’re not going to be successful in achieving their goals,” a necessary step toward a cease-fire, rebuilding Ukraine and its eventual induction into NATO, he added.
thehill.com
The Russian military has broken the stalemate in the Ukraine war, Robert Gates, former CIA director and secretary of Defense, said Wednesday, following Moscow’s successful push to take the front-line city of Avdiivka.
“It’s no longer a stalemate. The Russians have regained momentum,” Gates told The Washington Post’s David Ignatius in a streaming interview. “Everything I’m reading is that the Russians are on the offensive along the 600-mile front.”
Russia has suffered staggering losses in the war, he noted, but with Ukraine now confronting artillery shortages due to flagging U.S. support, “the Russians are feeling that the tides have turned, and while there is much to be done, the initiative has passed to them,” Gates said.
“They have more and more supplies coming in — I’ve read that for every artillery shell fired by Ukrainian forces, the Russians fire 10,” he added.
Russian officials announced Monday that its forces finalized their capture of the key Ukrainian city of Avdiivka after taking full control of the city’s large coke plant. The costly operation marked Russia’s first major victory in months, and its most significant gain since taking nearby Bakhmut last spring.
President Biden pinned the blame for Ukraine battlefield losses directly on House Republicans, who have refused to back additional aid to Kyiv without major immigration reform.
Gates noted that European allies in NATO, “who we so often criticize,” have stepped up their support to Ukraine, but lack the ability to immediately send weapons. Production timelines will see NATO support reach the battlefield in 2025, he estimated.
Right now, “the only real military lifeline comes from the United States. And as we all know, that is, shall we say, on pause right now,” he said.
Aid to Ukraine still lingers in the House, where Speaker Mike Johnson (R-La.) is caught between moderates who support Ukraine and far-right members who oppose it without major concessions from Democrats on the border.
Gates called out Congress specifically for being too slow on approving key battlefield capabilities throughout the war, such as missile systems that have allowed strikes against Russian-occupied Crimea, which he called a “no-brainer.”
“Congress will debate for a year or more whether to send the Ukrainians tanks, and after a year, they’ll send tanks,” he said. These weapons could have arrived “a year and a half” earlier, and their delay has restrained Ukraine’s abilities, he said.
The timing of the current aid package — Biden requested a $60 billion supplemental, which was part of a bipartisan Senate package passed earlier this month — is going to be a determining factor in Ukraine’s survival against a revived Russian offensive in 2024, Gates said.
“One of the main values of the package of assistance that’s on the Hill right now, is it would provide Ukraine with significant air-defense capacity, and the wherewithal to establish a strong defensive barrier so they don’t lose any more territory,” Gates said.
Passing the package would send a message to Russia that “they’re not going to be successful in achieving their goals,” a necessary step toward a cease-fire, rebuilding Ukraine and its eventual induction into NATO, he added.
Russia has broken the stalemate in Ukraine: Former US Defense secretary
The Russian military has broken the stalemate in the Ukraine war, Robert Gates, former CIA director and secretary of Defense, said Wednesday, following Moscow’s successful push to take the front-li…
thehill.com
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Russia 'struggling with supply of weapons and ammunition' for Ukraine war - Western officials
"Russia's domestic ammunition production capabilities are currently insufficient for meeting the needs of the Ukraine conflict," a Western official claimed, saying Moscow has been able to increase its supply only by seeking out alternative sources of ammunition and weapons, which does not offer a long-term solution.
www.bbc.com
"Russia's domestic ammunition production capabilities are currently insufficient for meeting the needs of the Ukraine conflict," a Western official claimed, saying Moscow has been able to increase its supply only by seeking out alternative sources of ammunition and weapons, which does not offer a long-term solution.
Russia 'struggling with supply of weapons and ammunition' for Ukraine war - Western officials
Reports of Russian shortages come as concerns over the provision of Western weapons to Ukraine mount.
www.bbc.com
printer
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"I'm struggling but I am still firing ten times as much than you."Russia 'struggling with supply of weapons and ammunition' for Ukraine war - Western officials
"Russia's domestic ammunition production capabilities are currently insufficient for meeting the needs of the Ukraine conflict," a Western official claimed, saying Moscow has been able to increase its supply only by seeking out alternative sources of ammunition and weapons, which does not offer a long-term solution.
Russia 'struggling with supply of weapons and ammunition' for Ukraine war - Western officials
Reports of Russian shortages come as concerns over the provision of Western weapons to Ukraine mount.
hanimmal
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BudmanTX
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commader: Ok comrades come on out here and line up so i can tell you your orders
Himar: Nope...buh bye
Himar: Nope...buh bye
Sativied
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Opinion: Europe is already painting Trump out of its defense picture
I found this a bit surprising, Macron called for a joint EU military already in 2017.
“With respect to Ukraine, despite his initial protestations of eternal solidarity, French President Emmanuel Macron’s government has committed just 640 million euros ($686 million), compared with Germany’s 17.7 billion euros ($19.1 billion) in military aid.”
Still a strange idea we depend so much on Germany (especially since Brexit), while far-right is on the rise there.
“Since the invasion began, we have seen Russia fire Europe’s monthly artillery production in a single day in Ukraine. ”
I found this a bit surprising, Macron called for a joint EU military already in 2017.
“With respect to Ukraine, despite his initial protestations of eternal solidarity, French President Emmanuel Macron’s government has committed just 640 million euros ($686 million), compared with Germany’s 17.7 billion euros ($19.1 billion) in military aid.”
Still a strange idea we depend so much on Germany (especially since Brexit), while far-right is on the rise there.
“Since the invasion began, we have seen Russia fire Europe’s monthly artillery production in a single day in Ukraine. ”
printer
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BudmanTX
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the drunk speaks.....
keep in mind this is the guy speaking, really needs to lay off the booze
Sativied
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Biden paves way for Mark Rutte to lead NATO — and confront Putin
The American president’s support helps clear the path for Rutte to take over the job later this year.
www.politico.com
UK and Paris and Germany officially followed shortly after. Still requires unanimous vote. Meaning Hungary and Turkey will consider it a transaction again.
And then this happened:
While not mentioned in the article, the basic idea is that not enough people from east europe get top positions and the east feels like they have less of a say, even though the enemy, Russia, is closer to them. They feel like it's their turn for a change. They have a point. It would be the fourth out of 14 times the position goes to someone from NL, 6th if we reclaim Flemish part of Belgium (bad joke). I think this may actually be a good thing, them making themselves heard and count. EU is sort of ruled from the north west, the net sponsors, but NATO isn't EU. My guess is they'll offer Romania some other top position(s). It's very unlikely it'll be a candidate other than the one US, UK, France and Germany back.