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cannabineer

Ursus marijanus

UK and Paris and Germany officially followed shortly after. Still requires unanimous vote. Meaning Hungary and Turkey will consider it a transaction again.

And then this happened:

While not mentioned in the article, the basic idea is that not enough people from east europe get top positions and the east feels like they have less of a say, even though the enemy, Russia, is closer to them. They feel like it's their turn for a change. They have a point. It would be the fourth out of 14 times the position goes to someone from NL, 6th if we reclaim Flemish part of Belgium (bad joke). I think this may actually be a good thing, them making themselves heard and count. EU is sort of ruled from the north west, the net sponsors, but NATO isn't EU. My guess is they'll offer Romania some other top position(s). It's very unlikely it'll be a candidate other than the one US, UK, France and Germany back.
As one of Austrian descent, I can relate.
 

CCGNZ

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Russian planes continue to fall, says Ukraine as it claims six more jets shot down
Ukraine has destroyed six Russian warplanes in the past three days, according to Ukraine's ministry of defence.

"Russian planes continue to fall! This morning defenders of the sky shot down two Russian planes in the eastern direction - an Su-34 fighter-bomber and an Su-35 fighter," the Ukrainian MOD wrote on social media platform X..
"In three days, Ukraine destroyed six Russian jets."

Colonel General Oleksandr Syrsky, the commander-in-chief of Ukraine's armed forces, said: "This morning, the air force of the armed forces of Ukraine destroyed two Russian planes that were attacking the positions of our troops with guided air bombs,
"Thanks for the work!"

The Ukrainian MOD said two Su-34s and one Su-35 had been shot down on Saturday, with another Su-34 being destroyed on Sunday.
In December 2023, the loss of three Su-34 fighter-bombers prompted the Russian Aerospace Forces to nearly halt crewed operations in southern Ukraine, the UK Ministry of Defence reported at the time.

The news comes after the UK Ministry of Defence confirmed the removal of Admiral Viktor Sokolov, Russia’s Black Sea Fleet commander after Ukraine said it had destroyed another Russian warship.
Looks like the much maligned Patriot system(remember in 90's Iraq) has been refined and Ukraine has clandestinely moved some near the lines to give Russia something to think about when bombing front line positions.
 

CCGNZ

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UK and Paris and Germany officially followed shortly after. Still requires unanimous vote. Meaning Hungary and Turkey will consider it a transaction again.

And then this happened:

While not mentioned in the article, the basic idea is that not enough people from east europe get top positions and the east feels like they have less of a say, even though the enemy, Russia, is closer to them. They feel like it's their turn for a change. They have a point. It would be the fourth out of 14 times the position goes to someone from NL, 6th if we reclaim Flemish part of Belgium (bad joke). I think this may actually be a good thing, them making themselves heard and count. EU is sort of ruled from the north west, the net sponsors, but NATO isn't EU. My guess is they'll offer Romania some other top position(s). It's very unlikely it'll be a candidate other than the one US, UK, France and Germany back.
Maybe because the Dutch are known for being pragmatic,and during very challenging times for NATO,I'm more comfy w/tenured members having the Sec. post at this time,this is not a time for infighting. The newer members time will come concerning positions,and as far as Turkey/Hungary it's getting to the point where ammendments to the articles may be needed if they continue to use their vote for bartering purposes.
 

CCGNZ

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That's pretty ballsy of Denmark. Little country like that willing to hand over all it's gear should shame the repubs into getting arms to UA but they have no shame any more since selling their collective souls to the Orange Jesus they all now consider their lord and saviour.

The US needs to add an amendment to prevent anyone under criminal charges from running for any office until the case(s) are resolved in the courts. tRump has opened all sorts of unique scenarios the founders probably never thought would have to be dealt with.

I'm starting to think the best case would be that pootin does attack a NATO country so everybody can dogpile on the f'er and finish off that war in days instead of it dragging on for who knows how much longer. I bet they have enough conventional weapons already zeroed in on every military target in russia that plenty will get through any air defences set up to protect them. Half the defences have probably been pulled out for use on the front and half of what's left probably won't work when needed anyways.

The other day on PBS they had something about the losses in the UA and pegged it at 380,000 killed or wounded since the war started. That's basically the same as russia's losses if it's true and PBS isn't wont to pull numbers out if thin air. If that's correct it's no wonder they are having trouble getting enough men for the fight.

:peace:
I knew all along that w/a static front and trench attrition it would eventually turn into a #'s game favoring Russia,the initial fiasco of extended forces/bad logistics/poor planning led to Ukrainian W's that played into their western training.Once the front stabilized Russia turned to their MO (tried and true) of hub ti hub artillery barrages and high casualty frontal assaults. In a node to LED,he was predicting Ukraine rolling back all Russian gains back to the 2014 borders in his endless optimism,this only could have happened through flanking,destroying supply lines in the rear,cutting off,and encircling,in addition to surprise achieved through diversion. That needed more forces,more armor,more training, and most importantly AIR POWER that dwarfs the hastily put together counter off. of last summer. Now I hope my country finds a way to get Ukraine what it needs to stave off a gradually building Russian steamroller in Ukraine's East,hoping they can hold,and then tire Russian forces,and maybe rec. equipment/w the f-16's to push back and get in a better position for negotiation.A nuclear armed Russia isn't giving up Crimea and I honestly never seen that in the cards unfortunately.
 

printer

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US estimates Ukraine military shortages could grow catastrophic by late March
By spring, Ukraine faces a potentially catastrophic shortage of ammunition and air defenses that could effectively turn the tide of the war and lend Russian President Vladimir Putin a significant advantage, according to an internal U.S. estimate.

Speaking on condition of anonymity, two U.S. officials described "late March" as being a particularly crucial time for the fate of Ukrainian troops if Congress doesn't pass a new aid bill. A third official said it would be difficult to pinpoint exactly when the situation for Ukrainian troops could worsen but noted that the shortages were expected to grow more dire through spring.

"The juncture starts now and it just keeps getting worse progressively through the spring and into summer. So, this time period that we are entering is a critical time period," said a senior U.S. defense official.

The U.S. assessment comes nearly two years after Russia's full-scale invasion of Ukraine and as support for Ukraine in Congress and in the American public is fading. The once-steady flow of cash and weapons from the U.S. -- totaling some $44 billion since the invasion -- has mostly dried up. A separate $60 billion aid package requested by President Joe Biden and passed by the Senate is in limbo in the House as some Republicans loyal to Donald Trump question America's commitment to another far-away conflict entering its third year.

The White House this week directly blamed the hold up for Russia's victory in the eastern city of Avdiivka. The town fell to last weekend after Ukrainian troops there were forced to ration ammunition, handing the Kremlin its first major military victory since last May.

"It was because of congressional inaction," said White House National Security Communications Advisor John Kirby on Ukraine's loss. "And we've been warning Congress that if they didn't act, Ukraine would suffer losses on the battlefield and here you go. That's what happened this weekend."

Meanwhile, the Biden administration is trying to make the case to lawmakers that Ukraine isn't a lost cause.

The U.S. estimates Russian has spent up to $211 billion on military operations in the war and losing $10 billion in arms sales. That's in addition to the heavy casualties: Of the 360,000 Russian fighters available before the war began, some 315,000 Russian fighters have been killed or wounded.

A separate Dec. 8 estimate by the Defense Intelligence Agency, provided to Congress and described by a person familiar with the findings, concluded that Russia has lost some 2,200 tanks out of the 3,500 it had in stock before the war began.

Analysts say those losses haven't crippled Russian forces though because Moscow has been able to pull Soviet-era vehicles out of storage while also manufacturing new ones. At the same time, Russia's economic alliance with China has been able to help the country to shrug off many international sanctions, keeping its economy and military industrial base afloat.

In one recent analysis, the International Institute for Strategic Studies didn't see any sign Russia was buckling under the weight of such hefty losses on the battlefield.

"Russia will be able to sustain its assault on Ukraine at current attrition rates for another 2–3 years, and maybe even longer," the institute wrote.
Meanwhile, the Biden administration is trying to make the case to lawmakers that Ukraine isn't a lost cause.

The U.S. estimates Russian has spent up to $211 billion on military operations in the war and losing $10 billion in arms sales. That's in addition to the heavy casualties: Of the 360,000 Russian fighters available before the war began, some 315,000 Russian fighters have been killed or wounded.

A separate Dec. 8 estimate by the Defense Intelligence Agency, provided to Congress and described by a person familiar with the findings, concluded that Russia has lost some 2,200 tanks out of the 3,500 it had in stock before the war began.

Analysts say those losses haven't crippled Russian forces though because Moscow has been able to pull Soviet-era vehicles out of storage while also manufacturing new ones. At the same time, Russia's economic alliance with China has been able to help the country to shrug off many international sanctions, keeping its economy and military industrial base afloat.

In one recent analysis, the International Institute for Strategic Studies didn't see any sign Russia was buckling under the weight of such hefty losses on the battlefield.

"Russia will be able to sustain its assault on Ukraine at current attrition rates for another 2–3 years, and maybe even longer," the institute wrote.



 

CCGNZ

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Another boost in the polls for Putin if he adds more territory to the federation? Would open another front in the war.


The Pols have really stepped up during this concerning refugees,supply lines,donations,as well as upping their defense budget a good deal past the NATO mandatory 2.0%, they KNOW the history involved and are a more modern formidable military than the last time war clouds gathered.
 

CCGNZ

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My plea to the US Congress: let’s be fast and generous with whatever Ukraine needs to END THIS THING.
Right now they need ammo.artillery,and more air defense systems and a re-supply of missiles,and the longer range ATACM's are all ready to use and Ukraine is trained up for all this,anything else there will be down time in applying it,the ATACM's are fired from the HIMARS battery's so that can immediately be used. This is a halt the bleeding infusion of aid, I heard Sen. Schumer claiming Ukraine has a plan to win in a interview last night on CNN. Optimism is good but the current stated reports have me dubious as to that,it's wise retrospectively to look back at initial predictions of how this would go and Ukraine has already defied tremendous odds,denying Russian attempts at seizing the Hostemel airport was the KEY to Kviv 's initial survival. Ukraine surviving as a sovereign democratic nation is a victory in itself and a defeat and source of embarrassment for Putin. Going forward it is possible that Ukraine can make gains if they stabilize the line and F-16's enter the fray, but odds of them regaining Crimea and Russia completely collapsing as a nuclear armed /more populated state are slim if a manpower challenged Ukraine is being honest w/itself concerning it's aims vs. it's capabilities if this conflict stays contained as present. US/NATO intervention is a whole different story,Russia would be thoroughly beaten conventionally for certain but nuclear war would result that being the last card available to a defeated desperate Russia.
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
Right now they need ammo.artillery,and more air defense systems and a re-supply of missiles,and the longer range ATACM's are all ready to use and Ukraine is trained up for all this,anything else there will be down time in applying it,the ATACM's are fired from the HIMARS battery's so that can immediately be used. This is a halt the bleeding infusion of aid, I heard Sen. Schumer claiming Ukraine has a plan to win in a interview last night on CNN. Optimism is good but the current stated reports have me dubious as to that,it's wise retrospectively to look back at initial predictions of how this would go and Ukraine has already defied tremendous odds,denying Russian attempts at seizing the Hostemel airport was the KEY to Kviv 's initial survival. Ukraine surviving as a sovereign democratic nation is a victory in itself and a defeat and source of embarrassment for Putin. Going forward it is possible that Ukraine can make gains if they stabilize the line and F-16's enter the fray, but odds of them regaining Crimea and Russia completely collapsing as a nuclear armed /more populated state are slim if a manpower challenged Ukraine is being honest w/itself concerning it's aims vs. it's capabilities if this conflict stays contained as present. US/NATO intervention is a whole different story,Russia would be thoroughly beaten conventionally for certain but nuclear war would result that being the last card available to a defeated desperate Russia.
The Ukrainians have certainly fought like lions. However, without massive res up ply (edit: f you, spellcheck) they are not up to an indefinite war of attrition.
They have decided to expend some of their precious hoard of antiair weapons, and as a result, we are seeing a sharp uptick in Russian jets falling out of the sky.

What disgusts me is that Ukraine gave up its nukes in exchange for our guarantee to defend their nation and territory. Yet the Re-Putin-blicans are holding that guarantee hostage as they sabotage our assistance to a nation invaded by Vladolf.

This should be a no-brainer, and I pray to all who watch that the obstructors will be, in order —
steamrolled;*
prosecuted for aid and comfort to an autocratic aggressor.

However I place the odds of that happening at less than even.

Our politics at this time are broken at several levels. This could all still end “happily ever after”, but there is hard work and some raw luck between here and there.

*My immediate hope is that the Biden administration exploits its privilege under the Excess Defense Articles law and starts sending many planeloads of shells, missile reloads, mine clearance equipment etc. early and often. I’m not seeing it happening, so there likely is a catch I don’t see.

Things are damned fluid right now.
 
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Sativied

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Right now they need ammo

Re: F16s


The pilots are already “flying F-16s solo every day,” but the requirements for these pilots have changed and training is taking a bit longer because the pilots need to be able to operate a “full range of missions” beyond wartime scenarios, Loh said.

However, the U.S. won’t be able to keep this effort going and train more pilots beyond the first cohort if Congress doesn’t authorize more funding.
 

CCGNZ

Well-Known Member
The Ukrainians have certainly fought like lions. However, without massive res up ply (edit: f you, spellcheck) they are not up to an indefinite war of attrition.
They have decided to expend some of their precious hoard of antiair weapons, and as a result, we are seeing a sharp uptick in Russian jets falling out of the sky.

What disgusts me is that Ukraine gave up its nukes in exchange for our guarantee to defend their nation and territory. Yet the Re-Putin-blicans are holding that guarantee hostage as they sabotage our assistance to a nation invaded by Vladolf.

This should be a no-brainer, and I pray to all who watch that the obstructors will be, in order —
steamrolled;*
prosecuted for aid and comfort to an autocratic aggressor.

However I place the odds of that happening at less than even.

Our politics at this time are broken at several levels. This could all still end “happily ever after”, but there is hard work and some raw luck between here and there.

*My immediate hope is that the Biden administration exploits its privilege under the Excess Defense Articles law and starts sending many planeloads of shells, missile reloads, mine clearance equipment etc. early and often. I’m not seeing it happening, so there likely is a catch I don’t see.

Things are damned fluid right now.
Your absolutely right man, the R party presently contains none of it's building blocks foreign policy wise that I'm familiar with, the R's in the House are so evil/duplicitous that I have irritated skin from all the pinch myself if this is real moments,it's time for Orangeman style work around,and to thumb noses at these pricks,gift the military aid to the Canadians and let them send the weapons,FK it,and FK Johnson,he is a Johnson .
 

CCGNZ

Well-Known Member

Re: F16s


The pilots are already “flying F-16s solo every day,” but the requirements for these pilots have changed and training is taking a bit longer because the pilots need to be able to operate a “full range of missions” beyond wartime scenarios, Loh said.

However, the U.S. won’t be able to keep this effort going and train more pilots beyond the first cohort if Congress doesn’t authorize more funding.
Should have included a couple dozen A-10's and Cobra choppers also,lot of air def. but if opportunity presents itself these 2 systems are proven/not top secret,easier training up than F-16,and can really chew shit up in the right circumstances,I don't understand.
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
Your absolutely right man, the R party presently contains none of it's building blocks foreign policy wise that I'm familiar with, the R's in the House are so evil/duplicitous that I have irritated skin from all the pinch myself if this is real moments,it's time for Orangeman style work around,and to thumb noses at these pricks,gift the military aid to the Canadians and let them send the weapons,FK it,and FK Johnson,he is a Johnson .
I’d say not. The Biden administration will save itself a load of noisy grief from the hypocrites by doing things legally, above the board.
That’s why I’m being repetitive about EDA. It gives the President immediate authority to send the goods. If momentum keeps shifting on the front, Ukraine could find itself staring at defeat. :(
 

printer

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Should have included a couple dozen A-10's and Cobra choppers also,lot of air def. but if opportunity presents itself these 2 systems are proven/not top secret,easier training up than F-16,and can really chew shit up in the right circumstances,I don't understand.
The Ukrainians will have their hands full with the servicing of the F-15's, adding two more different airframes would be a bit much.
 
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