Bagginski
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YouTube closed-captioning is now rendering “Chesebro” as…CHEESEBURGER
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TRUMP CONVICTED
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Bagginski
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The Fourteenth Amendment Fantasy — The Atlantic
The Constitution won’t disqualify Trump from running. The only real-world way of stopping him is through the ballot box.
I hate agreeing w/ Frum…yet I think he has it right: states keeping TFFG off their ‘24 ballots would be politically indefensible & an open invitation to the 2nd-amendment-remedies crowd to do their utter worst
Bagginski
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The fact that THE FEDERALIST SOCIETY IS PUSHING THIS underscores the screamingly bad advice TFS has always presented: THEY are not friends of the nation or the Constitution OR the rule of US law.
They are *professional* bad actors & we should discard their ‘opinion’ on this
BudmanTX
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yeah i'm not to trusting on the federalist society thought on the 14th......
with the J6 commission and the later impeachment of the orange avenger later on, with both the house and the senate agreeing that it was an insurrection and the orange asshole started it, the 14th amend was i'm guessing at this invoked...basically saying he is disqualified from ever holding a position in government
DIY-HP-LED
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I disagree and the 14th is as valid as the 2nd or any other amendment and will be used, first by the republicans to get him out of the primaries, but party nominee is not a state or federal office, next they will tell the base he is disqualified. It is republicans who will try to use it first and if he wins the nomination from a jail cell, others will as soon as he files the papers to run as POTUS in the states. The constitution is explicit about this and there is recent precedent and both conservative (federalist) and liberal judges appear to agree.
I don't think it is an issue that will come to the general election though, but will in the GOP primaries, I think Trump will be finished off in court and in jail before the primaries are over and he won't end up nominated. If he is nominated though, people in every state in the union will seek to disqualify him, and most blue state secretaries of state. The SCOTUS must allow anybody disqualified a day in court and they will establish standards of civil evidence moving forward, but the case against Trump will be conclusive with a conviction over J6 in DC.
cannabineer
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If the 2A remedies people get sporty, that might add impetus to the remedy-the-2A movement.
The Fourteenth Amendment Fantasy — The Atlantic
The Constitution won’t disqualify Trump from running. The only real-world way of stopping him is through the ballot box.apple.news
I hate agreeing w/ Frum…yet I think he has it right: states keeping TFFG off their ‘24 ballots would be politically indefensible & an open invitation to the 2nd-amendment-remedies crowd to do their utter worst
DIY-HP-LED
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What does David Frum know about American politics, he a Canadian!The Fourteenth Amendment Fantasy — The Atlantic
The Constitution won’t disqualify Trump from running. The only real-world way of stopping him is through the ballot box.
I hate agreeing w/ Frum…yet I think he has it right: states keeping TFFG off their ‘24 ballots would be politically indefensible & an open invitation to the 2nd-amendment-remedies crowd to do their utter worst
printer
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I always thought of him as David Frump.What does David Frum know about American politics, he a Canadian!
topcat
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A political commentator? I'll put my trust in genuine Constitutional scholars.What does David Frum know about American politics, he a Canadian!
CANON_Grow
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This professor of law at Harvard brings up a few points to consider.
The point that stood out to me was any state official that attempts to block Trump from being on the ballot without guidance from the courts could be trouble for that state official. Seeing what is happening to the people involved in the RICO case, would any sane person attempt to block Trump without guidance from the judiciary? The republicans may try and use it to block his nomination, but I can’t imagine any state official risking their own money or freedom to defend against it.
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
It’s irresistible. Heaven forfend I have to spend time around someone surnamed Ucker. There are almost certainly a few Ms. Zuckers around infelicitously named Martha.
DIY-HP-LED
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There are many law and constitutional experts who disagree. Of course, it will be a matter for the courts, constitutional matters are, precedent has to be set on this matter and standards of civil case evidence set. Trump will be challenged in the states when he applies by secretaries of state and citizens. The SCOTUS will bring order to the process, and I figure Trump is toast under the 14th even without a conviction in court and there should be two of them, one federal and one state, over J6 by the time he files the papers, if he ever does. The 14th cannot be ignored any more than the 1st or 2nd and it fits Trump like a glove.
DIY-HP-LED
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Let's talk about what Americans want to do with Trump....
printer
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Fulton County DA asks judge to expedite cases of all 19 defendants in Georgia
Fulton County, Ga., District Attorney Fani Willis asked a Georgia judge Tuesday to expedite the cases of all 19 defendants charged in a sweeping racketeering case over interference in the state’s 2020 election.
After defendant Kenneth Chesebro demanded a speedy trial in the case, Fulton County Superior Court Judge Scott McAfee set his trial date for Oct. 23, four months sooner than the date Willis originally proposed.
In that ruling, McAfee said the decision to move forward with an October trial date pertains only to Chesebro “at this time.” Willis pushed back against that decision in a Tuesday court filing.
“The State of Georgia respectfully requests that the Court set aside its Case Specific Scheduling Order entered on August 24, 2023, to the extent that the Order states, ‘[a]t this time, these deadlines do not apply to any co-defendant,'” Willis wrote in the filing.
Georgia’s speedy trial rules say the cases must be tried before the end of two court terms following their arraignments. All the defendants’ arraignments, where they will formally hear the charges they face and enter a plea, are set for Sept. 6.
Former Trump campaign lawyer Sidney Powell also demanded a speedy trial, though McAfee has not set a date for her case. Powell pleaded not guilty to all the charges she faces Tuesday in writing and waived her arraignment; it is unclear how that will affect her case’s timeline.
Willis said Tuesday her office maintains its position that “severance is improper at this juncture and that all Defendants should be tried together” — a position she has held since announcing charges earlier this month.
“At an absolute minimum, the Court should set Defendant Powell’s trial and that of any other defendant who may file a speedy trial demand on the same date as Defendant Chesebro’s,” Willis wrote.
The Fulton County district attorney also asked the court to set a deadline for defendants wishing to sever their cases from the rest of the defendants, allowing time for the parties to brief the issue and hold a hearing on it.
The defendants, which include former President Trump, face a combined 41 charges asserting they joined a criminal enterprise to subvert the state’s election results so Trump could stay in power after losing the 2020 election.
If McAfee approves Willis’s request, the trial could become the first Trump will face. In the former president’s other three criminal matters, he has two trials set for March and a third set for May.
Fulton County, Ga., District Attorney Fani Willis asked a Georgia judge Tuesday to expedite the cases of all 19 defendants charged in a sweeping racketeering case over interference in the state’s 2020 election.
After defendant Kenneth Chesebro demanded a speedy trial in the case, Fulton County Superior Court Judge Scott McAfee set his trial date for Oct. 23, four months sooner than the date Willis originally proposed.
In that ruling, McAfee said the decision to move forward with an October trial date pertains only to Chesebro “at this time.” Willis pushed back against that decision in a Tuesday court filing.
“The State of Georgia respectfully requests that the Court set aside its Case Specific Scheduling Order entered on August 24, 2023, to the extent that the Order states, ‘[a]t this time, these deadlines do not apply to any co-defendant,'” Willis wrote in the filing.
Georgia’s speedy trial rules say the cases must be tried before the end of two court terms following their arraignments. All the defendants’ arraignments, where they will formally hear the charges they face and enter a plea, are set for Sept. 6.
Former Trump campaign lawyer Sidney Powell also demanded a speedy trial, though McAfee has not set a date for her case. Powell pleaded not guilty to all the charges she faces Tuesday in writing and waived her arraignment; it is unclear how that will affect her case’s timeline.
Willis said Tuesday her office maintains its position that “severance is improper at this juncture and that all Defendants should be tried together” — a position she has held since announcing charges earlier this month.
“At an absolute minimum, the Court should set Defendant Powell’s trial and that of any other defendant who may file a speedy trial demand on the same date as Defendant Chesebro’s,” Willis wrote.
The Fulton County district attorney also asked the court to set a deadline for defendants wishing to sever their cases from the rest of the defendants, allowing time for the parties to brief the issue and hold a hearing on it.
The defendants, which include former President Trump, face a combined 41 charges asserting they joined a criminal enterprise to subvert the state’s election results so Trump could stay in power after losing the 2020 election.
If McAfee approves Willis’s request, the trial could become the first Trump will face. In the former president’s other three criminal matters, he has two trials set for March and a third set for May.
BudmanTX
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BREAKING: Donald Trump gets shockingly bad news as the state of New Hampshire announces that it is "now carefully reviewing the legal issues involved" behind calls to remove Trump's name from the state's 2024 ballot — an apocalyptic scenario for the former president.
In a bombshell joint statement, New Hampshire Attorney General John M. Formella and Secretary of State David M. Scanlan stated that they are "aware of public discourse regarding the potential applicability" of Section 3 of the 14th Amendment. This particular section disqualifies those who have taken an oath to support the Constitution from ever running for office again if they have "engaged in insurrection or rebellion."
Some Republicans are even pushing for Trump's removal from the ballot. Bryant "Corky” Messner, a Senate nominee who was actually endorsed by Trump, used the Amendment section to question Trump's eligibility.
While Formella and Scanlan insist that no decision has yet been made, the mere fact that this idea is now being publicly floated by the state's top officials is a terrible sign for MAGA. The simple fact is that Trump should be barred from holding office ever again. He's a traitor and given the chance he will try to overthrow our democracy again.
New Hampshire even.......and we have another.....one in Florida and now New Hampshire.....lets see what happens
In a bombshell joint statement, New Hampshire Attorney General John M. Formella and Secretary of State David M. Scanlan stated that they are "aware of public discourse regarding the potential applicability" of Section 3 of the 14th Amendment. This particular section disqualifies those who have taken an oath to support the Constitution from ever running for office again if they have "engaged in insurrection or rebellion."
Some Republicans are even pushing for Trump's removal from the ballot. Bryant "Corky” Messner, a Senate nominee who was actually endorsed by Trump, used the Amendment section to question Trump's eligibility.
While Formella and Scanlan insist that no decision has yet been made, the mere fact that this idea is now being publicly floated by the state's top officials is a terrible sign for MAGA. The simple fact is that Trump should be barred from holding office ever again. He's a traitor and given the chance he will try to overthrow our democracy again.
New Hampshire even.......and we have another.....one in Florida and now New Hampshire.....lets see what happens
Bagginski
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utterly revolting/disgusting
Bagginski
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‘Cause every lump will turn into a commie demon-rat conspiracy to inconvenience everyone’s favorite made-for-tv wannabe mobster
DIY-HP-LED
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Jack will end up pulling on a lot of loose threads as these clowns try to remember every dirty deed by other republicans they ever heard and sell out anybody to get a deal, any deal they can, these will be panicked and desperate people who are not ready for prison.
DIY-HP-LED
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Now there will be 5 indictments, another state looks ready to move on Trump and cronies. This one about trying to steal the 2020 election. The magats are nuts in Arizona, so expect threats and even violence. After they are convicted in DC and Georgia, the case in Arizona will be a slam dunk with all their evidence used. Are trials in Arizona on TV? Another possible appearance dressed in orange coveralls?
Arizona Prosecutor has MAJOR DEVELOPMENT in NEW Trump Criminal Investigation
532,673 views Aug 29, 2023
Michael Popok of Legal AF reports on breaking news that Trump, Giuliani and others are likely targets of a new criminal election interference prosecution led by the Arizona Attorney General, with a 5th indictment possible.
Arizona Prosecutor has MAJOR DEVELOPMENT in NEW Trump Criminal Investigation
532,673 views Aug 29, 2023
Michael Popok of Legal AF reports on breaking news that Trump, Giuliani and others are likely targets of a new criminal election interference prosecution led by the Arizona Attorney General, with a 5th indictment possible.
BudmanTX
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u just made me spit out my beer