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DIY-HP-LED

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To hit a moving target on land they need drones to laser designate the targets, GPS, inertial guidance and scene matching software can be used to hit stationary targets.


'Hopeless' Russian offensive capability could put Putin himself under threat | Frontline

18,375 views May 17, 2023 Frontline
"Crimea is under threat, Putin himself is in big trouble politically, as well as the Russians being in trouble militarily"

Russia's failures to target Ukraine on the ground and in the air has halted Putin's offensive capability, Prof. Michael Clarke tells #timesradio , and suggests a way NATO could end the war that could 'change the architecture of security in Europe fundamentally'
 

printer

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"Canada has 90 F-18’s sitting around rusting as we await our new F-35’s. I’m pretty sure no one is coming to get us as we wait. Send 20 F-18’s to Ukraine. Only roughly 20% of our total. PM Trudeau please grow a set a do what’s right.
@JustinTrudeau.#F16"

First, they are mostly aluminum so they are not rusting. Also we need them to uphold our minimum Nato requirements. We can not send them away and give Nato a rain check if we are called upon. The pilots need to fly a minimum number of hours to be certified, they can not do that if the planes are given away. This is a stupid post from people that do not know better.

"Royal Canadian Air Force (RCAF) had 72 CF-18As and 31 CF-18Bs in inventory as of November 2008. 79 in operational use. 86 (63 CF-18A & 23 CF-18B) aircraft in use as of 2021. "
 

DIY-HP-LED

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"Canada has 90 F-18’s sitting around rusting as we await our new F-35’s. I’m pretty sure no one is coming to get us as we wait. Send 20 F-18’s to Ukraine. Only roughly 20% of our total. PM Trudeau please grow a set a do what’s right.
@JustinTrudeau.#F16"

First, they are mostly aluminum so they are not rusting. Also we need them to uphold our minimum Nato requirements. We can not send them away and give Nato a rain check if we are called upon. The pilots need to fly a minimum number of hours to be certified, they can not do that if the planes are given away. This is a stupid post from people that do not know better.

"Royal Canadian Air Force (RCAF) had 72 CF-18As and 31 CF-18Bs in inventory as of November 2008. 79 in operational use. 86 (63 CF-18A & 23 CF-18B) aircraft in use as of 2021. "
Australia has 40 F18s as surplus and like our leopard 2 tanks we don't really need them considering the state of the Russians, we should consider buying new, in the case of the F35, it will be a few years until we get some however. I'm sure something can be worked out with NATO since they are supporting Ukraine and juggling logistics already. The purpose of NATO is to defend against Russian aggression and their conventional offensive capability has been largely destroyed in Ukraine and by the fall it should be completely gone.

We should be thinking more about China and F35s would be necessary for any potential conflict with them. I think Putin might have succeeded in destroying NATO because after this war there won't be much need for transatlantic defense. Russia is done for a decade or two at least and I figure the Europeans can deal with the new reality created by the war, especially with Germany ramping up its military and a strong postwar Ukrainian military. F16s and F18s will soon be considered obsolete and will be disposed of anyway. Maybe not give them all of our F18s or just let those countries with F16s to spare donate them to Ukraine, one fighter type is easier to maintain than two. The main point is western countries are changing out their fighters to newer types and there are now F16s and F18s to spare, or soon will be.
 

Sativied

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Joining the EU means that EU jobs will be open to Turkish citizens.
That’s not considered an economic downside, on the contrary. Besides the fact we need them badly, Turks have an excellent reputation when it comes to working and they are the ‘youngest’ country in europe. After all they helped us rebuild after WW2, it’s why there are so many in NL and Germany. They are the most well integrated immigrants. My barber, my car mechanic, several neighbors, my butcher, my favorite grocery stores and coffeeshop owners, at least a quarter of my wife’s coworkers, all Turkish, and all great people, yet statistically 2/3rd votes erdogan. Cause he’s a tough macho guy and according to them that’s just what Turks need and something we‘ll never understand.

No not the Turks people are worried about as much as the now almost 4 millions refugees held up in Turkey by Erdogan in return for billions from the EU. Open borders with Turkey would mean immigrants from Africa could walk around the sea again instead of drowning in it.

@cannabineer Man… I had the greatest reply in the world typed but after browser crash and failed draf… I will post just a tribute.
 

cannabineer

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That’s not considered an economic downside, on the contrary. Besides the fact we need them badly, Turks have an excellent reputation when it comes to working and they are the ‘youngest’ country in europe. After all they helped us rebuild after WW2, it’s why there are so many in NL and Germany. They are the most well integrated immigrants. My barber, my car mechanic, several neighbors, my butcher, my favorite grocery stores and coffeeshop owners, at least a quarter of my wife’s coworkers, all Turkish, and all great people, yet statistically 2/3rd votes erdogan. Cause he’s a tough macho guy and according to them that’s just what Turks need and something we‘ll never understand.

No not the Turks people are worried about as much as the now almost 4 millions refugees held up in Turkey by Erdogan in return for billions from the EU. Open borders with Turkey would mean immigrants from Africa could walk around the sea again instead of drowning in it.

@cannabineer Man… I had the greatest reply in the world typed but after browser crash and failed draf… I will post just a tribute.
oh man I hate it when that happens!
 

Sativied

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I’m curious what the perceived economic downside is to having Turkey join EU. When I searched, the principal objections centered on “human rights violations and a deficiency in the rule of law” and the Cyprus matter, none of which are primarily economic.
It doesn’t have to be “primarily“ economic to be treated as if it is by the EU. Any expansion is an economic risk but an unstable leader they cannot control, of a population 1/5th of EU is a huge unnacceptable risk.

The main benefit of EU membership is the joining process itself, the EU demanding reforms in exchange for economic support. If human rights violations and a deficiency in the rule of law were the primary reasons, they would want to continue the only process that gives them the influence to make change. Not sure how well known, but Turkey has been a EU candidate since 1999, 23 years before Ukraine reached that status. Obviously there’s great potential economically.

EU membership involves joining the monetary union. Germany’s biggest now century old fear is Turkey’s big problem, inflation. Germany (with it’s in this context sidekick NL and a few others north west) dictates debt and budgetting rules in the EU. Merkel, almost a decade the most powerful woman in the world, de facto leader of europe, also known as the one who held the purse strings, was one of the strongest opponents of Turkey joining. While Germany is, now closely after China, Turkish largest trading partner.

Also Merkel: if the euro fails, Europe [EU] fails. Again, it’s all, almost religiously, about economic stability as a means to keep the peace. Erdogan is stable nor peaceful no controllable.

Now see the contrast with how German and other European leaders talk about Ukraine‘s membership. If Turkey would be under attack by Russia and China EU still wouldn’t talk like that.

That all said, my point wasn’t suggesting an economic downside to Turkey’s membership, the EU market cannot absorb both Ukraine and Turkey. Given Turkey’s, Ukraine’s (and Zelensky’s) and Russia’s actions in recent times it makes an easier choice against Turkey, who indeed for various good reasons already wasn’t particularly welcome.

As for Cyprus, geographically in Asia, a party island / beach holiday destination where nobody give af about the beaches on turkish side:

Now to point out the start of this little subcontext, the article I posted about EU providing economic support as loans rather than gifts. It’s about control, and I don’t mean that in a sinister way. It’s not like they will actually have to pay anything, it never works like that. If they pay it’ll be in euros, mere numbers on a screen created by EU. It will also make it easier to pump money into rebuilding Ukraine. Like NL adopting Odesa so Rotterdam can own more of it than the Chinese, plans already drawn.

I swear my first reply was much better and more concise ;)
 

DIY-HP-LED

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It doesn’t have to be “primarily“ economic to be treated as if it is by the EU. Any expansion is an economic risk but an unstable leader they cannot control, of a population 1/5th of EU is a huge unnacceptable risk.

The main benefit of EU membership is the joining process itself, the EU demanding reforms in exchange for economic support. If human rights violations and a deficiency in the rule of law were the primary reasons, they would want to continue the only process that gives them the influence to make change. Not sure how well known, but Turkey has been a EU candidate since 1999, 23 years before Ukraine reached that status. Obviously there’s great potential economically.

EU membership involves joining the monetary union. Germany’s biggest now century old fear is Turkey’s big problem, inflation. Germany (with it’s in this context sidekick NL and a few others north west) dictates debt and budgetting rules in the EU. Merkel, almost a decade the most powerful woman in the world, de facto leader of europe, also known as the one who held the purse strings, was one of the strongest opponents of Turkey joining. While Germany is, now closely after China, Turkish largest trading partner.

Also Merkel: if the euro fails, Europe [EU] fails. Again, it’s all, almost religiously, about economic stability as a means to keep the peace. Erdogan is stable nor peaceful no controllable.

Now see the contrast with how German and other European leaders talk about Ukraine‘s membership. If Turkey would be under attack by Russia and China EU still wouldn’t talk like that.

That all said, my point wasn’t suggesting an economic downside to Turkey’s membership, the EU market cannot absorb both Ukraine and Turkey. Given Turkey’s, Ukraine’s (and Zelensky’s) and Russia’s actions in recent times it makes an easier choice against Turkey, who indeed for various good reasons already wasn’t particularly welcome.

As for Cyprus, geographically in Asia, a party island / beach holiday destination where nobody give af about the beaches on turkish side:

Now to point out the start of this little subcontext, the article I posted about EU providing economic support as loans rather than gifts. It’s about control, and I don’t mean that in a sinister way. It’s not like they will actually have to pay anything, it never works like that. If they pay it’ll be in euros, mere numbers on a screen created by EU. It will also make it easier to pump money into rebuilding Ukraine. Like NL adopting Odesa so Rotterdam can own more of it than the Chinese, plans already drawn.

I swear my first reply was much better and more concise ;)
The war in Ukraine has compressed the time needed to rid the country of corruption tremendously, much of it stemmed from Russian controlled oligarchs, who are being dealt with. They recently arrested the chief justice of their supreme court for bribery, something the Americans are unable to do. I still think the NG, oil and vast mineral wealth are the biggest draws for EU membership, German industry still needs these feed stocks and NG is a better power generating stop gap than burning coal. Anti-corruption was Zelenskiy's and his party's purpose and goal, and the war has accelerated the process. I mean look what corruption did for Russia and their military performance, this lesson has not been lost on the people of Ukraine and post war corruption will be seen as treason by many. Zelenskiy should get a second term in office to complete the job, since his performance as president has been impressive to say the least.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Melitopol Mayor: Ukrainian Partisan Sleeper Cells Ready for Action

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The mayor of Russian-occupied Melitopol, Ivan Fedorov, exposes the existence of a large and well-armed underground resistance within his city. In this exclusive interview with Scripps News, Fedorov unveils the existence of partisan sleeper cells eagerly awaiting the cue to spring into action. With Ukraine's counteroffensive potentially targeting Melitopol, the mayor's insider information sheds light on the surprising tactics that will be employed.
 

printer

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That’s not considered an economic downside, on the contrary. Besides the fact we need them badly, Turks have an excellent reputation when it comes to working and they are the ‘youngest’ country in europe. After all they helped us rebuild after WW2, it’s why there are so many in NL and Germany. They are the most well integrated immigrants. My barber, my car mechanic, several neighbors, my butcher, my favorite grocery stores and coffeeshop owners, at least a quarter of my wife’s coworkers, all Turkish, and all great people, yet statistically 2/3rd votes erdogan. Cause he’s a tough macho guy and according to them that’s just what Turks need and something we‘ll never understand.

No not the Turks people are worried about as much as the now almost 4 millions refugees held up in Turkey by Erdogan in return for billions from the EU. Open borders with Turkey would mean immigrants from Africa could walk around the sea again instead of drowning in it.

@cannabineer Man… I had the greatest reply in the world typed but after browser crash and failed draf… I will post just a tribute.
The two that developed the covid vaccine were children of German Turkish workers.


In today's demographics they should be a welcome addition but some worry about them reducing wages or taking jobs. A worrying point is the rampant inflation and the corruption.
 

Sativied

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The two that developed the covid vaccine were children of German Turkish workers.


In today's demographics they should be a welcome addition but some worry about them reducing wages or taking jobs.
Like I said, great people. We have many Turkish females (including our minister of Justice) who are great examples for muslimas from other countries as well as everyone else.

And you're not wrong with that second statement. That's people's and populists' opinions though, not something the EU considers an economic downside. The same concern applies to Ukraine from for example one of their biggest supporters, Poland. Just as it was an issue with cheap labor from Poland. Cheap Polish painters is still a thing here.

The war in Ukraine has compressed the time needed to rid the country of corruption tremendously, much of it stemmed from Russian controlled oligarchs, who are being dealt with. They recently arrested the chief justice of their supreme court for bribery, something the Americans are unable to do. I still think the NG, oil and vast mineral wealth are the biggest draws for EU membership, German industry still needs these feed stocks and NG is a better power generating stop gap than burning coal. Anti-corruption was Zelenskiy's and his party's purpose and goal, and the war has accelerated the process. I mean look what corruption did for Russia and their military performance, this lesson has not been lost on the people of Ukraine and post war corruption will be seen as treason by many. Zelenskiy should get a second term in office to complete the job, since his performance as president has been impressive to say the least.
You probably remember what I posted about Ukraine joining EU by now many months ago and in principal I haven't changed my mind (I, like many, oppose any expansion) but I think I also added a little disclaimer that this war may have a major impact, change everything. There really is no other option anymore, not letting them join means abandoning them. It will take a lot longer than Zelensky will like though, there's more to it than dealing with corruption. Although the war is of course horrible, it does create the opportunity for both sides, EU and Ukraine, to make it work. The example about Odesa in my previous post applies to Ukraine as a whole. EU is going to spend billions rebuilding Ukraine anyway, better for EU to do that with them ending up inside the EU. Ukraine becoming a net exporter of NG in the foreseeable future is a pipedream, understandable, but there are too many facts in the way and too much for me to type out atm.
 

printer

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Like I said, great people. We have many Turkish females (including our minister of Justice) who are great examples for muslimas from other countries as well as everyone else.

And you're not wrong with that second statement. That's people's and populists' opinions though, not something the EU considers an economic downside. The same concern applies to Ukraine from for example one of their biggest supporters, Poland. Just as it was an issue with cheap labor from Poland. Cheap Polish painters is still a thing here.


You probably remember what I posted about Ukraine joining EU by now many months ago and in principal I haven't changed my mind (I, like many, oppose any expansion) but I think I also added a little disclaimer that this war may have a major impact, change everything. There really is no other option anymore, not letting them join means abandoning them. It will take a lot longer than Zelensky will like though, there's more to it than dealing with corruption. Although the war is of course horrible, it does create the opportunity for both sides, EU and Ukraine, to make it work. The example about Odesa in my previous post applies to Ukraine as a whole. EU is going to spend billions rebuilding Ukraine anyway, better for EU to do that with them ending up inside the EU. Ukraine becoming a net exporter of NG in the foreseeable future is a pipedream, understandable, but there are too many facts in the way and too much for me to type out atm.
Yeah, Putin sure ended up with things going in the opposite direction than what he was expecting.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Like I said, great people. We have many Turkish females (including our minister of Justice) who are great examples for muslimas from other countries as well as everyone else.

And you're not wrong with that second statement. That's people's and populists' opinions though, not something the EU considers an economic downside. The same concern applies to Ukraine from for example one of their biggest supporters, Poland. Just as it was an issue with cheap labor from Poland. Cheap Polish painters is still a thing here.


You probably remember what I posted about Ukraine joining EU by now many months ago and in principal I haven't changed my mind (I, like many, oppose any expansion) but I think I also added a little disclaimer that this war may have a major impact, change everything. There really is no other option anymore, not letting them join means abandoning them. It will take a lot longer than Zelensky will like though, there's more to it than dealing with corruption. Although the war is of course horrible, it does create the opportunity for both sides, EU and Ukraine, to make it work. The example about Odesa in my previous post applies to Ukraine as a whole. EU is going to spend billions rebuilding Ukraine anyway, better for EU to do that with them ending up inside the EU. Ukraine becoming a net exporter of NG in the foreseeable future is a pipedream, understandable, but there are too many facts in the way and too much for me to type out atm.
Getting some of that Russian money used to rebuild Ukraine is also an incentive, every contractor and building supply company in the EU will cash in on reconstruction and hundreds of millions in seized Russian money, after international legal processes, some of them novel, are followed of course. There should even be enough money to pay back aid and loans, the Russians had a lot of money abroad and they are even going for the government cash reserves too.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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No wonder the Russians and the magats love each other, they both deal with reality the same way and have an authoritarian leader who can do no wrong in their eyes, but who is fucking them to death with stupidity and greed. They also have about the same amount of integrity and credibility, and both are empowered by a base with an idiotic sense of callus entitlement.

 

cannabineer

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I was just looking at this...Photons are subatomic particles, and massless.
Antimatter is something else entirely, the antithesis of matter, all charges are reversed from those of normal matter.
This isn't a photon torpedo at all.
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Photons have momentum, same units as mass when divided by lightspeed.
(edit: lightspeed squared, I think)
Also, matter plus antimatter makes pure photons of a very short wavelength. In fact, in a pair-instability supernova the photon density can run high enough that a fair amount of the photon gas converts to electron-positron pairs, reducing photon pressure and promoting core collapse.
 
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