Pandemic 2020

[Skillcraft]

According to the CDC:
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So to have 1.11M deaths in three years since COVID has been around, not including the other deaths that were not COVID related but may have been prevented when hospitals were beyond capacity - your opinion does not accurately reflect reality.

I didn't say it was fact I said that was my opinion. I am just speaking from my own personal experience with the virus.

 

[CANON_Grow]

I didn't say it was fact I said that was my opinion. I am just speaking from my own personal experience with the virus.

Which I didn't dispute, I pointed out that it is worse than the flu. Add up those death totals from that ten year span, there was still close to three times as many people that died in three years of COVID.

 

[CunningCanuk]

I corresponded with my doctor via email and am following their advice on vaccination. Before saying more I want to point out that the advice I followed was specific to my personal circumstances and everyone should be getting medical advice (edit - MEDICAL ADVICE FROM A MEDICAL DOCTOR) for their own personal circumstances. I received my second booster dose in early December, same time as the flu vaccine. I have no underlying health concerns, am physically fit, and would be in the age range of 40-49. I got the booster because I have a few family members that are immunocompromised, and dealt with a family member that had their cancer diagnosis and treatment delayed when the hospitals did not have the capacity because of COVID patients. I didn't want to have it weighing on my conscience if one of those family members ended up sick with COVID knowing I didn't do everything I can control. I have two kids in elementary/primary school, and my wife and I discussed vaccinations with them and they chose to get vaccinated, but we decided against getting them booster doses.



Waning after 3 months is for immunocompromised individuals, pulled from that article:

“Pfizer BioNTech COVID-19 booster doses significantly improve protection against omicron, although while that protection stays high for immunocompetent patients, it seems to wane for immunocompromised patients after 3 months against emergency room visits, and even for hospitalization,”

After 3 doses in immunocompetent individuals, effectiveness against omicron-related hospitalization was 83% at less than 3 months and stayed high at 79% at 3 months or longer.

Against emergency department visits that did not result in hospitalization, protection was high and stayed high for immunocompetent individuals (approximately 78%), but remained at suboptimal levels in immunocompromised individuals (approximately 50%).

It’s confusing. Who you gonna believe? Medical professionals and epidemiologist who’ve studied this stuff their entire lives or a roadie for a polka band, doin his own resurch?

 

[CunningCanuk]

You and your wife will have some natural immunity as a result of infection, which will indeed give you a lesser chance of getting it again, despite not being vaccinated.

Says the roadie for a polka band…

 

[CunningCanuk]

For the wife and I it was a like a mild case of the flu. Really wasn't that bad.

 

[CunningCanuk]

The flu kills tens of thousands each year. The only difference is COVID is more contagious in my opinion.

Why do you think anyone should care about your “opinion” about a medical health situation. Are you a doctor?

 

[Skillcraft]

Why do you think anyway should care about your “opinion” about a medical health situation. Are you a doctor?

Of course I am not a doctor. But I speak my truth after having first hand experience with the virus . You speak only what you here on MSNBC and we know they are unbiased with no agenda. Right?

 

[CunningCanuk]

Of course I am not a doctor. But I speak my truth after having first hand experience with the virus . You speak only what you here on MSNBC and we know they are unbiased with no agenda. Right?

I didn’t think so. Most doctors know the difference between “here” and “hear”.

I speak only about what I hear from medical professionals and scientists. Thanks for sharing your stories about your experiences with Covid but those and a couple of bucks will get you a cup of coffee. Like most of the world’s population I’ve had Covid too and with over 8 million (reported, it’s most definitely more) dead, our stories about having the sniffles doesn’t mean shit, does it?

Love the reference to MSNBC, by the way. As if a medical health crisis was a political thing.

 

[schuylaar]

You and your wife will have some natural immunity as a result of infection, which will indeed give you a lesser chance of getting it again, despite not being vaccinated.

Masks are back.

 

[natureboygrower]

I have two kids in elementary/primary school, and my wife and I discussed vaccinations with them and they chose to get vaccinated, but we decided against getting them booster doses.

Why didn't you get boosters for your kids?

 

[Roger A. Shrubber]

Me and my wife are unvaccinated and both got COVID last month and it wasn't any worse than a case of the flue that lasted about 5 days then we were fine. Does that mean I have a lesser chance of getting it again since we are not vaccinated?

so you don't go around any kids? any old people? you're sure you don't come into contact with anyone immuno-compromised?
because most of us who are getting the vaccine aren't really doing it for ourselves, we're doing it so we won't infect people we don't want to be the death of...

 

[Roger A. Shrubber]

For the wife and I it was a like a mild case of the flu. Really wasn't that bad.

and what was it like for the 75 year old guy you walked by and infected? what was it like for the entire family you passed in the grocery store and infected? what was it like for the seemingly healthy person you came into casual contact with and infected?
you decided their fate with your rationalizing not taking the vaccine, for fake reasons spread by qanon fuckheads....

 

[Roger A. Shrubber]

The flu kills tens of thousands each year. The only difference is COVID is more contagious in my opinion.

your opinion means nothing if you don't back it up with facts, and you can't do that...i dare you to find one fact that supports that statement

 

[Skillcraft]

so you don't go around any kids? any old people? you're sure you don't come into contact with anyone immuno-compromised?
because most of us who are getting the vaccine aren't really doing it for ourselves, we're doing it so we won't infect people we don't want to be the death of...

And I respect your right to do so. Hell I fought to protect that right. I am a big believer in people's rights. There are many things I do not personally agree with politically but I believe in people's rights to do as they wish.

 

[Skillcraft]

your opinion means nothing if you don't back it up with facts, and you can't do that...i dare you to find one fact that supports that statement

I personally do not know how to post links or I would do so.

 

[Roger A. Shrubber]

Of course I am not a doctor. But I speak my truth after having first hand experience with the virus . You speak only what you here on MSNBC and we know they are unbiased with no agenda. Right?

i have not had covid, but several people i know had it...some of them were asymptomatic, some felt like they had the flu, some got hospitalized, and 4 died. 4 people that i know died, gasping for breath, drowning in their own fluids.
that's not something i saw on msnbc.

 

[CunningCanuk]

I personally do not know how to post links or I would do so.

Please don’t.

 

[Roger A. Shrubber]

I personally do not know how to post links or I would do so.

right click on the link, save it, then click on the little link icon and paste it into the line that says URL...next to the smiley face and the picture icon, says "insert link" if you mouse over it

 

[CCGNZ]

Dude, I know A LOT of people who were vaccinated, boosted, whatever, and still got covid to the same degree as unvaccinated people I know. Your reasoning, while seemingly noble, doesn't necessarily have the effect that you are hoping for. The vaccine manufactures never tested to see if their vaccine prevents transmission or not. I knew this early on. The vaccine is only supposed to reduce the clinical symptoms associated with covid-19, not prevent transmission or contraction.

I know time has shown you to be correct on that,but at the time it was believed that they also at least had some effect on being infected early on vs.the early strains, and along came Omicron, the main thing they were wrong about was the mutation issue,I remember early on experts claiming that corona virus's don't mutate as much as influenza. That proved wrong and now vaccine mfg. is chasing and now always one step behind. But yeah it's safe to say I'm disappointed in how it's played out. Vax vs. Unvax is seemingly becoming less important,initially(until Omicron appeared) it seemed the right and proper thing to do and as time has revealed,maybe not as much,once again the benefit of hindsight.That notwithstanding I'll never be down w/the conspiracy theories concerning the vaccines. It's simply science and mankind vs. a wily opponent in a battlefield that's in constant motion,requiring decisions to be made in real time factoring in the initial visual images of people dying all alone,families decimated,morgues overflowing,and no existing medical knowledge.In my mind I'm OK w/it( the decisions I made w/the timeline involved) and I'll surely let all/yall know if I sprout some crazy symptoms.

 

[Roger A. Shrubber]

Please don’t.

no, i challenged him to post a link to back up what he says, let him defend himself.