Lockdowns didn't work.
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cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
Spencer Fernando sounds like your version of our Tucker Carlson. That’s why I specified credible.https://spencerfernando.com/2023/01/05/canadian-business-insolvencies-are-up-37-8/
NDP To Back Liberal Internet Censorship Push - Spencer Fernando
Pretend opposition party again backs Trudeau's agenda of centralizing power. What a surprise... Yesterday, I wrote about the fact that the NDP has becomespencerfernando.com
I read these ones this morning take what you will from them.
Fogdog
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https://spencerfernando.com/2023/01/05/canadian-business-insolvencies-are-up-37-8/
NDP To Back Liberal Internet Censorship Push - Spencer Fernando
Pretend opposition party again backs Trudeau's agenda of centralizing power. What a surprise... Yesterday, I wrote about the fact that the NDP has become
I read these ones this morning take what you will from them.
Spencer Fernando: It's not "someone else" who is paying for Canada's radical climate policies - it's us - Canada Today
Spencer Fernando is an author, commentator, podcast host, and former political insider. In his career he has worked for the Conservative Party and the
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Spencer Fernando is an author, commentator, podcast host, and former political insider. In his career he has worked for the Conservative Party and the Manitoba Progressive Conservatives, among others. He is now a campaign fellow with the National Citizens Coalition. You can find his work here.
Uh, he's not qualified to comment on medical science.
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The National Citizens Coalition (NCC) is a Canadian conservative lobby group that was incorporated in 1975 by Colin M. Brown, a successful insurance agent who strongly opposed public health insurance—medicare. In response to what he perceived to be excessive government spending in Canada, Brown had begun an advertisement campaign in 1967.[1] Its slogan is “More freedom through less government.” campaigns against public sector unions and in favour of smaller government and lower taxes.
Enough. You are either hooked by or promoting right wing propaganda.
I'll give you the last word but will not reply. I'm already convinced that you are not worth the bother to do so.
Bongoloid
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Give me a list of the sources you would agree to taking seriously
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
post some credible evidence of it, not some right-wing alt-fact.
Credible sites are in the top two factuality tiers of this site.
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cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
not my job.
PJ Diaz
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What was wrong with the two links that I posted? Nature and SagePub are alt-right now?post some credible evidence of it, not some right-wing alt-fact.
Credible sites are in the top two factuality tiers of this site.
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cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
more about Harper, for whom Fernandez mouthpieces.
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Stephen Harper Heads a Global Org That Helps Get Right-Wing Parties Elected. What Will It Do for Andrew Scheer? | The Tyee
Voter suppression works. Ask the Kochs, Trump and our very own robocall fakers.
HGCC
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Well, not too interested in rehashing old topics/conversations, but I would view anything written in that tone/style as suspect and propaganda, regardless of content. The language used is to push an idea/narrative, it's heavy on emotional appeals. I would then view all information coming through that channel with more scrutiny.
I thought the current topic was small business failure due to covid policies. My view was that its pretty normal for that amount of small businesses to fail and the narrative that it was due to covid restrictions was sus and probably pushing an agenda.
I thought the current topic was small business failure due to covid policies. My view was that its pretty normal for that amount of small businesses to fail and the narrative that it was due to covid restrictions was sus and probably pushing an agenda.
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cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
I suspect that doing the economic forensics will be something for years from now, once the situation has stopped evolving and the data are available to academics and actuaries.
Heck, the epidemiology of the pandemic is still evolving in a lively manner, rendering a medical assessment unavailable until all the numbers are in and processed by pros. For now, the adaptation of the pathogen is outpacing our collective ability to make and distribute an effective vaccine. mRNA is a game changer but not the game ender some of us hoped it would be.
Fogdog
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The link given by that "canadian" right winger was from a lobbyist. Influencing is what they do. I wouldn't trust anything coming from a lobbyist, left, right or center. It was laughable and ludicrous that he posted that just after he cited something attributed to Einstein that did not say and just before that antivaxx BS.
People like that make others less informed.
It would be funny except people died from following misinformation that came from sources like that.
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
It was a twofer: misattributed and misquoted.
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
let’s just say it has to prove itself uphill. That might annoy you, but it is what it is. The right has simply wallowed in ideological diarrhea since even before Covid, and it has torched its benefit of the doubt with an ethnic space laser.information hygiene?
so anything from “the right” must be dismissed as worthless? Boy that’s a sad reality to live in but I guess tribalism is very real and a human constant
Any interest in listening to Bret Weinstein’s take then forming your own opinion? He’s an evolutionary biologist but may be too right wing for your tastes since he went on Joe Rogan and all…..episode #1919
Fwiw, the intellectually honest practitioners wouldn’t be caught dead on an alt-fact sensationalist’s crapsite like Rogan’s. Guilt by association is a thing among knowledge professionals.
Being an evolutionary biologist is no talisman. Look up argumentum ad verecundiam.
CANON_Grow
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I usually enjoy listening to Bret Weinstein as he is certainly a very intelligent person and talks on a pretty even keel. There was one thing that really jumped out at me during that podcast, when Bret spoke about the lab leak theory and he was not aware of the level four lab studying corona viruses in Wuhan until one of his listeners pointed it out to him. For him to speak as an expert that has studied corona viruses, and not be aware about that lab, after the pandemic started - in Wuhan, makes me suspect either: his expertise, or, he is becoming biased. I also believe everyone needs to pay attention to how a lot of podcasts really dig at big pharma controlling the narrative with traditional MSM through advertising dollars, big pharma owning politicians; but the advertisers to a lot of these podcasts are from supplement companies, and some of these supplement companies are owned by podcasters.information hygiene?
so anything from “the right” must be dismissed as worthless? Boy that’s a sad reality to live in but I guess tribalism is very real and a human constant
Any interest in listening to Bret Weinstein’s take then forming your own opinion? He’s an evolutionary biologist but may be too right wing for your tastes since he went on Joe Rogan and all…..episode #1919
edit: they DO reference a left wing article and source (Washington Post) in their discussion if that helps
Long story short - not sure I fully trust the salesmen holding the snake oil when they are always pointing at BiG pHaRmA about how dishonest and corrupt they are. Make sure you apply the same criteria to "both sides".
Fogdog
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*Pretty muchinformation hygiene?
so anything from “the right” must be dismissed as worthless?* Boy that’s a sad reality to live in but I guess tribalism is very real and a human constant
Any interest in listening to Bret Weinstein’s take then forming your own opinion? He’s an evolutionary biologist but may be too right wing for your tastes since he went on Joe Rogan and all…..episode #1919
edit: they DO reference a left wing article and source (Washington Post) in their discussion if that helps
The right treated the epidemic like it was a political event. In the US, it did. I don't know much about Canadian politics except a right winger there would most likely be called a socialist by the cretins who rallied around Trump when he touted horse de-worming paste as a cure for Covid. But really, the left had some dumbasses who touted the same myths promoted on the right. As I said, it's not the political leanings that matter. What mattered is the source and the information backing what they said.
Covid was a medical problem and that is where I trust sources. And not nobodies and not one source. Certainly not right wing lobbyists like an idiot cited today.
abandonconflict
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All-cause mortality was actually the main sticking point I had, which clearly undermines your repetitive and asinine assertions that "lives were saved, end of discussion". Also, in regard to global supply chains, especially related to food, fuel and medical supplies, the financial aspect means yet more lives lost. So keep your "you only care about money" BS to yourself. Just because I don't care about your life over mine or even over my freedom, doesn't mean I don't care at all.
Furthermore, that I don't prioritize the way you want me to, is but a minor premise. The main point here is that no, indeed, you cannot prove that lives were saved when you look at it over the entire timespan of the pandemic and include all-cause mortality.
Fogdog
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You are confusing preponderance of evidence that leads to a reasonable conclusion with certainty. If you want certainty, go to church.
abandonconflict
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I'm confusing nothing. A preponderance of evidence leads to my conclusion. Even the article in nature (budley linked) alludes to that but stops short of admitting it while swearing up and down that lockdowns reduced transmission of covid.
Even the studies which were conducted in order to actually measure the cost of lockdowns, like the John's Hopkins economic study, clearly state that a measureable, albeit tiny, reduction of transmission was proven.
If you thought I disagreed with the fact that the measures did in fact reduce transmission of the virus then you are the one who is confused. And if you don't know what I am arguing, why are you trying so hard to convince me that I am wrong?
abandonconflict
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And by extension, anyone who preferred Donald Trump over Hillary Clinton is now not only every other sort of deplorable, clearly anti-vax, uneducated, and racist...
They're injecting horse-paste into their veins too.
Well no, he didn't say exactly that, and I am by no means a trump supporter, never was, but the implied categorizing was felt.
CANON_Grow
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Invermectin is not for covid, neither the human or horse one. Inhaling Lysol or shining a light will also not help with covid, regardless of what Trump said. Don't like lockdowns, easiest thing you can do to hopefully prevent it from happening again is wear a mask. Want to protect yourself, wear a mask and get vaccinated.