Lockdowns didn't work.

Fogdog

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PadawanWarrior said:
Ya man. I say you gotta live. Life is full of risks. And even without taking chances shit happens sometimes. Like all the poor kids that get cancer. Anything can happen and I would rather live a shorter happier life than a longer less happy one. But that makes a lot of sense if you were caring for people that weren't in the best health. That's commendable, :bigjoint:
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I take pride in the fact that our parents did not get Covid. What I did was for them out of love and because they were there for us when we needed them.

I was disappointed when I saw so many fail so miserably to care for the people around them.

Takes all kinds to make the world go round. Some suck it up and do what's right, others just suck.
 
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CANON_Grow

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Drop That Sound said:
What about the parents locked away from their families for months? Dying in the hospital or nursing homes, never to see them again before they passed away..
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That's terribly sad and my heart breaks for anyone that had to go through that. That is one part of the restrictions that I wasn't comfortable with and thought there should have been a better way, and certainly once it was apparent that this wasn't nearly as deadly as SARS or MERS.
 
Fogdog

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Drop That Sound said:
What about the parents locked away from their families for months? Dying in the hospital or nursing homes, never to see them again before they passed away..
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I went through that with my mother. She was suffering from dementia an didn't know where she was, I helped anchor her and it became very hard for her when I couldn't come visit. It went that way for a couple of months. It was horrible. Very traumatic for her and me. I could visit her through a window but that was it, no contact. Mom had a cheerful spirit and she coped through laughter but there were some dark times. It shaped my attitude toward people who only see their own difficulty in wearing a mask and just dropped them when they could or in some cases outright refused. Our society is failing the people who lack a strong immune system.
 
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Fogdog said:
I went through that with my mother. She was suffering from dementia an didn't know where she was, I helped anchor her and it became very hard for her when I couldn't come visit. It went that way for a couple of months. It was horrible. Very traumatic for her and me. I could visit her through a window but that was it, no contact. Mom had a cheerful spirit and she coped through laughter but there were some dark times. It shaped my attitude toward people who only see their own difficulty in wearing a mask and just dropped them when they could or in some cases outright refused. Our society is failing the people who lack a strong immune system.
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:(That's sad man,and I can relate as I'm going through a similar situation(it'll be 2yrs.Jan9),I continue to religiously mask up so I don't bring potential death when I visit. The indifference exhibited by most people toward this is upsetting, how people are not influenced by 1 million deaths and the visual's of heartbroken families losing loved ones w/no physical contact watching them pass over a zoom session is beyond me. Part of being a human being is empathy and if a lot of Americans would just take a minute to put themselves in the shoes of others we'd be in a lot better place.
 
Budley Doright

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CCGNZ said:
:(That's sad man,and I can relate as I'm going through a similar situation(it'll be 2yrs.Jan9),I continue to religiously mask up so I don't bring potential death when I visit. The indifference exhibited by most people toward this is upsetting, how people are not influenced by 1 million deaths and the visual's of heartbroken families losing loved ones w/no physical contact watching them pass over a zoom session is beyond me. Part of being a human being is empathy and if a lot of Americans would just take a minute to put themselves in the shoes of others we'd be in a lot better place.
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It’s not only Americans my friend. Masks are mostly non-existent for the under 60 group here. Not an ounce of empathy. The concept of protecting the vulranable now, and in the beginning (as witnessed by this thread), boils down to, “just tell them to stay home so I can have a hamburger on the beach”.
Yes I know I said I was done but Fog’s post made me all emotional :(.
 
PJ Diaz

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Budley Doright said:
It’s not only Americans my friend. Masks are mostly non-existent for the under 60 group here. Not an ounce of empathy. The concept of protecting the vulranable now, and in the beginning (as witnessed by this thread), boils down to, “just tell them to stay home so I can have a hamburger on the beach”.
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You want people to wear masks on the beach?
 
PJ Diaz

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Bongoloid said:
I can remember when Tim Hortons had people wear masks standing in line but not having to wear one sitting and people complied and took it as logical.
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It's because when you sit down to eat at a table, the covid particles fly right over your head, so you are safe.
 
Bongoloid

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HGCC said:
Is that failure rate higher or lower than it was before covid? 40% sounds a bit low, at least half of small businesses fail within 5 years, historically speaking.
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I can't answer the pre covid question,the economy was strong.The number i read this morning was 38.7% of all small bizz Canada wide now insolvent in Canada. Yeah I agree it does seem low when in my small area more than that have gone belly up,and not very many new ones here,I live in a small populated area. Most retaurants here are done and mcdonalds just built a new one.
 
PJ Diaz

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HGCC said:
Is that failure rate higher or lower than it was before covid? 40% sounds a bit low, at least half of small businesses fail within 5 years, historically speaking.
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In the US 78 companies filed for Chapter 11 Bankruptcy in 2019. The number of companies that filed in 2020 was more than double from the prior year, at 177.
 
HGCC

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Covid obviously wasn't great for most businesses, but that sounds like all of rural America. Not enough population to support much, and those few people hit up the McDonald's in the gas station, then wonder why the local diner had to close...or go to Walmart then wonder why the hardware, clothing, home goods, etc all closed. Small businesses can't compete very well.

I guess I would just say beware of people feeding you bullshit as an excuse or explanation.

There is obviously an argument to be made about the impact on bars/restaurants, anywhere people would gather really, taking a hit.

PJ Diaz said:
In the US 78 companies filed for Chapter 11 Bankruptcy in 2019. The number of companies that filed in 2020 was more than double from the prior year, at 177.
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Small businesses...? That doesn't sound at all right. More than that failed in single cities.
 
PJ Diaz

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HGCC said:
Covid obviously wasn't great for most businesses, but that sounds like all of rural America. Not enough population to support much, and those few people hit up the McDonald's in the gas station, then wonder why the local diner had to close...or go to Walmart then wonder why the hardware, clothing, home goods, etc all closed. Small businesses can't compete very well.

I guess I would just say beware of people feeding you bullshit as an excuse or explanation.

There is obviously an argument to be made about the impact on bars/restaurants, anywhere people would gather really, taking a hit.



Small businesses...? That doesn't sound at all right. More than that failed in single cities.
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Most failing small businesses won't be declaring Chapter 11 Bankruptcy. I only used it as a comparable business failure metric for 2019 vs 2020 because it's readily available information, unlike the totals of all failing small businesses, which would be difficult to quantify.
 
Fogdog

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Bongoloid said:
If research is censored it makes it hard. Wait till Trudeau passes the censorship bill with Jagmeet Sings support ,then do more research.
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If you've read my earlier posts, I don't follow the line of thinking that begins with: "Don't trust what people who put years of study into epidemiology, decades of work in the field say. Instead, trust the witch doctor in Texas or the stuff from websites funded by unknowns that agree with my desire for confirmation bias."

An enormous amount of data is available online from trusted sources allow me to me the conclude that:

Lockdowns in the US and Canada were necessary to give time for their medical systems to absorb the results of a novel virus that came from the wild. We witnessed what happens when it got out of control. We witnessed in the US what happens when political leaders treat the epidemic as if it were a political problem and not a medical one. The vaccines that were developed using decades of prior research were safe, effective and are saving lives to this day.

So, you see, I'm having trouble with your assertion that vaccines are what Einstein did not say. Who are you? What kind of background do you have that gives you the right to make what seem to be claims that we've already seen end in high death rates?
 
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Bongoloid

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cannabineer said:
do you have any links to credible sources documenting any censorship of research? Please share.
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https://spencerfernando.com/2023/01/05/canadian-business-insolvencies-are-up-37-8/

spencerfernando.com

NDP To Back Liberal Internet Censorship Push - Spencer Fernando

Pretend opposition party again backs Trudeau's agenda of centralizing power. What a surprise... Yesterday, I wrote about the fact that the NDP has become
spencerfernando.com spencerfernando.com

I read these ones this morning take what you will from them.
 
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Bongoloid

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Fogdog said:
If you've read my earlier posts, I don't follow the line of thinking that begins with: "Don't trust what people who put years of study into epidemiology, decades of work in the field say, trust the witch doctor in Texas or the stuff from websites funded by unknowns that agree with my desire for confirmation bias."

An enormous amount of data is available online from trusted sources allow me to me the conclude that:

Lockdowns in the US and Canada were necessary to give time for their medical systems to absorb the results of a novel virus that came from the wild. We witnessed what happens when it got out of control. We witnessed in the US what happens when political leaders treat the epidemic as if it were a political problem and not a medical one. The vaccines that were developed using decades of prior research were safe, effective and are saving lives to this day.

So, you see, I'm having trouble with your assertion that vaccines are what Einstein did not say. Who are you? What kind of background do you have that gives you the right to make what seem to be claims that we've already seen end in high death rates?
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the Einstein thing was in reference to still pushing it,at least here. If your on your 5th jab and get covid what are you gaining? Do you think there is any chance the immune sytem is suffering and perhaps the jab isn't what it was made out to be?
 
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