Biden Forgives $20k of Pell Grant

[cannabineer]

Q. If the loans are being forgiven does that now mean schooling is now free? It would be unfair to those that follow otherwise wouldn't it?

to those with the initiative to use libraries, schooling has always been free.

 

[HGCC]

to those with the initiative to use libraries, schooling has always been free.

The shipping and handling is where they get ya.

 

[cannabineer]

The shipping and handling is where they get ya.

… to a degree.

 

[Hotrod2]

The Student Loan debt program has failed, as it should.

Yet another attempt by the Democratic socialistic party to move the United States of America into a socialistic country. Every person should be held accountable in life for the choices they make. It is not my responsibility or anyone else's to pay off another person's student loan, or any other debt they might have!

 

[hanimmal]

The Student Loan debt program has failed, as it should.

Yet another attempt by the Democratic socialistic party to move the United States of America into a socialistic country. Every person should be held accountable in life for the choices they make. It is not my responsibility or anyone else's to pay off another person's student loan, or any other debt they might have!

lol yeah good luck not living in reality.

I am sure that your taxes paid for every bit of road you travel right? No way that was subsidized with money others paid into the system.

 

[Hotrod2]

lol yeah good luck not living in reality.

I am sure that your taxes paid for every bit of road you travel right? No way that was subsidized with money others paid into the system.

Nice try at deflection. You are trying to compare apples and oranges.

 

[Roger A. Shrubber]

… to a degree.

 

[hanimmal]

Nice try at deflection. You are trying to compare apples and oranges.

Maybe, but our workforce putting in the time and effort to gain the education we need as a society to thrive is part of what makes our economy the strongest in the world.

Me expressing my ideas that come from me, I own it. You and no one else can offer a rational explanation as to why me or anyone else should be responsible for another person's debt.

As true with most socialistic Democrats, you attack me personally because I disagree with you.

lmao at your little propagandist labeling.

People with student loans signed paperwork promising to pay back that loan. I had no choice in them borrowing money I did not cosign for it neither did the rest of America. To not hold them accountable and for the federal government to pay off any of their student loan reeks of socialism.

And people paying those student loans have more than paid for the relief program in just interest alone.

Pretending like you are somehow being hurt because one section of our economy is getting a much needed boost is pretty much par for the course for the brainwashing spam. Especially when federal funding being stripped during the Reagan years is what led to a lot of the skyrocketing costs in college.

It is almost like wealthy white men decided virtually free college was no longer worth it when they had to start accepting minority and women into their programs.

 

[HGCC]

Me expressing my ideas that come from me, I own it. You and no one else can offer a rational explanation as to why me or anyone else should be responsible for another person's debt.

As true with most socialistic Democrats, you attack me personally because I disagree with you.

People with student loans signed paperwork promising to pay back that loan. I had no choice in them borrowing money I did not cosign for it neither did the rest of America. To not hold them accountable and for the federal government to pay off any of their student loan reeks of socialism.

Why do you think "you or anyone else" is responsible for another's debt? It's a special circumstance, federally held debt is sort of a special thing in how it works and what money means on that level. A country needs resources, that's what the money buys.

We as a country don't come up short on our light bill if we don't get paid. We do come up short as a nation if we fall behind on human capital.

 

[Hotrod2]

Why do you think "you or anyone else" is responsible for another's debt? It's a special circumstance, federally held debt is sort of a special thing in how it works and what money means on that level. A country needs resources, that's what the money buys.

We as a country don't come up short on our light bill if we don't get paid. We do come up short as a nation if we fall behind on human capital.

So are you suggesting that because someone went to college and promised to pay a loan, that I'm responsible for repaying that loan for them? That is in fact very socialistic in nature. As a hard-working father of four, I don't even make $100,000 a year but you expect I should pay back people's loans that make more than I do?

 

[cannabineer]

So are you suggesting that because someone went to college and promised to pay a loan, that I'm responsible for repaying that loan for them? That is in fact very socialistic in nature. As a hard-working father of four, I don't even make $100,000 a year but you expect I should pay back people's loans that make more than I do?

In a society with no or minimal socialist asset treatment, what do you recommend be done about or to the unemployable?

 

[Lucky Luke]

to those with the initiative to use libraries, schooling has always been free.

So if a uni student is enrolled in a library their school fees are null and void? I don't think so..

I thought i asked a reasonable question- if one demographic is having their fees wiped isn't it fair future gens dont have the fees?

 

[cannabineer]

So if a uni student is enrolled in a library their school fees are null and void?

Non sequitur

 

[cannabineer]

So if a uni student is enrolled in a library their school fees are null and void? I don't think so..

I thought i asked a reasonable question- if one demographic is having their fees wiped isn't it fair future gens dont have the fees?

having seen your edit, your initial question was about schooling, which can be done without enrollment. Your first formulation did not constrain me to think in the usual terms of paying to get a professional accreditation. So I exploited the failure of definition to point out that you don’t need to be enrolled (and to pay) to acquire knowledge or even expertise.

The quest for employment is not required to answer the question as posed. It helps to use language with an eye toward limiting unexpected but self-consistent outcomes such as the one I playfully sprung.

 

[Lucky Luke]

having seen your edit, your initial question was about schooling, which can be done without enrollment. Your first formulation did not constrain me to think in the usual terms of paying to get a professional accreditation. So I exploited the failure of definition to point out that you don’t need to be enrolled (and to pay) to acquire knowledge or even expertise.

The quest for employment is not required to answer the question as posed. It helps to use language with an eye toward limiting unexpected but self-consistent outcomes such as the one I playfully sprung.

IDK where you live but here if a child doesn't attend school the primary caregiver is fined, perhaps even have their child taken away from them. Just sending them to a library doesn't cut it.

And ill ask again. If the gov is forgiving school fees for a group will schooling now be free for all who wish it? Whats fair for one should be fair for all.
I'm a huge believer that all education be free.

 

[cannabineer]

IDK where you live but here if a child doesn't attend school the primary caregiver is fined, perhaps even have their child taken away from them. Just sending them to a library doesn't cut it.

And ill ask again. If the gov is forgiving school fees for a group will schooling now be free for all who wish it? Whats fair for one should be fair for all.
I'm a huge believer that all education be free.

That is less interesting. I’ll pass.

 

[orangejesus]

The student borrowed money from the lending institution, and gave it to the school; the school was paid, the lender is - or will be - paid, and the student was able to pursue their education. Those three parties entered into an agreement - the taxpayer did not. Furthermore, while I've heard arguments that the lender was predatory, or the school did not prepare the student, or even that the student perhaps did not select the best field of study, I've yet to hear how the taxpayer bears any responsibility for the creation of the situation - whatever the situation may be.

If these loans were so bad, why are the two parties that profited not bearing the burden? If there were issues with the loan (predatory?), the lender should discharge the loan - not collect taxpayer money through any sort of government action. If the school's tuition is such that the average person cannot attend without going into debt, the tuition needs to be adjusted. Having attended several schools - both junior colleges and state universities - I'm of the opinion that costs can be cut without decreasing the quality of the education.

The argument that this will somehow benefit the 'greater good' - though it only applies to a limited portion of the population - seems noble, but - if so - why stop there? If you think student loan debt is significant - or a burden - take a look at auto loans, especially with the recent flux in values; these are people that are that are struggling to pay their monthly car note - often at rates several times that of any student loan - so they can commute to a job to put food on the table for their kids, and may have decided to skip college due to the cost... but their tax dollars should pay for someone's English degree? If this would so greatly benefit society, why not credit card debt? All debt? Or perhaps give those funds to homeless vets - people that have already contributed to society, and could certainly use it more than some theater major living at home and looking for their next gig after leaving Twitter.

More to the point, will this fix the problem? Or will the graduating class of 2030 still be saddled with debt? More students should look at trade schools - there's been a shortage of automotive techs for 20 years.

 

[Lucky Luke]

The student borrowed money from the lending institution, and gave it to the school; the school was paid, the lender is - or will be - paid, and the student was able to pursue their education. Those three parties entered into an agreement - the taxpayer did not.

More to the point, will this fix the problem? Or will the graduating class of 2030 still be saddled with debt?

As i recently stated if one group get free education then all subsequent groups should get free education. A precedent has been set.

 

[Hotrod2]

In a society with no or minimal socialist asset treatment, what do you recommend be done about or to the unemployable?

Talking about the unemployed, encompasses a great deal of people in many different circumstances.


Everyone that is an adult should be held personally accountable for the choices they make and their actions. This has nothing to do with the topic of this thread.

No one can offer me a reasonable argument why I should be able to responsible for another adult actions or choices. Forgiving a person's student loan up to the tune of $20,000, implies I equally responsible for their debt as is every other American. I did not take on this debt so I should not have to pay for it.

 

[Hotrod2]

The student borrowed money from the lending institution, and gave it to the school; the school was paid, the lender is - or will be - paid, and the student was able to pursue their education. Those three parties entered into an agreement - the taxpayer did not. Furthermore, while I've heard arguments that the lender was predatory, or the school did not prepare the student, or even that the student perhaps did not select the best field of study, I've yet to hear how the taxpayer bears any responsibility for the creation of the situation - whatever the situation may be.

If these loans were so bad, why are the two parties that profited not bearing the burden? If there were issues with the loan (predatory?), the lender should discharge the loan - not collect taxpayer money through any sort of government action. If the school's tuition is such that the average person cannot attend without going into debt, the tuition needs to be adjusted. Having attended several schools - both junior colleges and state universities - I'm of the opinion that costs can be cut without decreasing the quality of the education.

The argument that this will somehow benefit the 'greater good' - though it only applies to a limited portion of the population - seems noble, but - if so - why stop there? If you think student loan debt is significant - or a burden - take a look at auto loans, especially with the recent flux in values; these are people that are that are struggling to pay their monthly car note - often at rates several times that of any student loan - so they can commute to a job to put food on the table for their kids, and may have decided to skip college due to the cost... but their tax dollars should pay for someone's English degree? If this would so greatly benefit society, why not credit card debt? All debt? Or perhaps give those funds to homeless vets - people that have already contributed to society, and could certainly use it more than some theater major living at home and looking for their next gig after leaving Twitter.

More to the point, will this fix the problem? Or will the graduating class of 2030 still be saddled with debt? More students should look at trade schools - there's been a shortage of automotive techs for 20 years.

Well said.