canndo
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They are. Try anyway.
Anybody growing mushrooms willing to talk???
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Drop That Sound
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I agree, and ya I do tend make everything over complicated. Its one of my super powers
From what I understand, when you get the field capacity and everything just right, and see that air is making it's way through the vents properly (less condensation around the hole on the inside).. then there is no need to really mess with anything.
I do want to grow other species like pans though. Soon. All of them I can get my hands on. I'm coming down with the fever, thanks guys!
Drop That Sound
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Good vibes right back at you my man!
Yeah pans can be tricky. The trip is amazing though.
stone producers like tamp/atl7 or Mexicana are very easy. They’ll do fine in the same set up as cubes.
GrodanLightfoot
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Are there any psilocybin mushroom strains that taste good? Which breeders are on that terp game?
Thundercat
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Mushrooms usually taste like mushrooms. If you are really bothered by the taste, it's very easy to grind the mushrooms into a powder and put them in a capsule, or mix them in some melted chocolate. I don't usually bother with either of those anymore. I'll typically grind them up and just put them in a little juice and drink it like a shot. They go down fast and easy with very little flavor.
7L!fTeD24
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I do Lemon tek, capsules, or just chase em with OJ. Its an acquired taste Lol.
7L!fTeD24
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When I heard the trips may different and possibly more visuals I had to give the different species a try. I have jars going right now of tamps, atl7, natal, and mexicana. It'll be a little bit but ill share my results. I tend to over complicate things also, I tried pftek twice and failed and almost gave up until I got on here and got some good advice. I went with the 6 qt shoe boxes, made Like 30 of them throughout a month or 2 and every one of them worked to my suprise, some more than others but they all yielded a few flushes of mushrooms and if made right its pretty much set it and forget it. I've learned that pinning occurs from the evaporation of moisture from the surface of the substrate and the fruiting bodies use the moisture contained within the substrate to grow. So when I spawn my jars I just make sure the substrate is hydrated enough, and only spray a little bit if the surface looks dry, and I can tell how much moistures in the sub by the weight of the shoebox when I pick it up. Though things may vary between environment but that's what's working for me. The Rh% here is 60-70% so someone that's in a dryer climate may have to hydrate more than I would. Also things speed up when it gets hot out. When dialed in to my environment I barely have to touch them. Like you said field capacity is key.
Chronicly ill
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"hepa filtered air to replace it" again not necessary. the only time filtered air is necessary is when working under a laminar flow hood. otherwise WHO FILTERS THE AIR OUTSIDE? how much green mold you see outside? Oh and most importantly, how to you get a cleanroom environment before you open chamber lid to pick em and introduce a fkton of room air to the chamber? seems that would counteract any prior filtering of inlet air, do you really think its necessary to prevent contams when that white cake thats owned my myc is still strong?.. after 2 or 3 flushes maybe. Lemme ask this, when growing outdoors what measures are taken against contamination? cuz i see mushrooms outside all the time. never anything green growing around em except grass n weeds. take a look at how its done LARGE scale. stop complicating things. btw poo (horse anyway) has a green mold IE Aspergillus fighting organism..ever see green fungus covered turds? Me either. thats why you only pasteurize the poo, do not sterilize it. its not rocket science yall. Just stop with the bro science BS n you'll be fine. if internet info is not in a book as well its probably some bs to over complicate your hobby. try it side by side, prove it before you adopt the theory as fact. 100gal aquarium make a fine chamber for four 6qt cakes. if you need more than that make a room that mirrors the houses. might wanna do that in a shed. Away from noses.
7L!fTeD24
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I open my shoe boxes damn near everyday when colonized and haven't gotten a contam yet. I only worry about sterility when innoculating jars. I'm my short experience this myc fights all that shit off for the most part. I had some still putting out mushrooms after a couple months with no contams. I mean they grow off of shit. Actual shit lmfao. I feel like the possibilities are endless with a colonized jar of spawn.
Drop That Sound
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I guess the biggest worry then, is using spore syringes that are already contaminated. Well, you can't get liquid ready to go culture's legally here in the US yet, so it looks like building a flow hood is essential, and the only good way to do transfers, so you can keep isolating not only the genetics, but samples of myc without contamination. It actually looks real easy, and fun to do. I'm gonna make a flow hood for sure.
7L!fTeD24
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I believe If a sports shringe was contaminated when you got it You would see it. But I'm not sure on that 1 I've never got one.
canndo
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The thing about natural competition in fields and such is that you only one in a hundred billion spores actually grows to fruit in nature. You want far higher odds in your house than that. Don't compare growth in the wild with domesticated production.
The reason you temporarily have little or no contamination is first, because you have yet to flood your environment with trich spores. You will eventually.
And second is that you are exploiting the preferred ph difference between your contaminant (which generally enjoys more acidic substrate) and your mycelium (which likes more basic substrates).
Your mycelium will exude acidic metabolites and digestive fluids and will steadily acidify its surroundings making contamination nearly inevitable both because of the pH and because your mycelium will become weaker over time.
As to the "evaporation as trigger". Name a situation where evaporation does not happen. And what exactly is the mechanism? I have yet to see even a suggestion of a test for "microclimate variations" let alone actual evaluations of it, what ever it is. I have tried using water crystals as casing, there must be large amounts of immediate evaporation from them yet it has not been particularly effective.
Still, triggers are not really that important given that most techniques manage them inadvertently or otherwise.
How many mushrooms of this variety have been grown in ABSOLUTE darkness? I mean no light from start to finish? Everyone takes a peek. A peek is all it takes. And light is measurable. Microclimate and evaporation are not. So we really can't claim evaporation is a trigger. Nor can anyone claim there to be a single fruiting trigger, surely there are several. Fresh air, or more specifically co2 concentration (or o2) plays a part as well.
Hepa filters can be handy, laminar systems for sterile work are great but most find still air boxes do just fine.
The reason you temporarily have little or no contamination is first, because you have yet to flood your environment with trich spores. You will eventually.
And second is that you are exploiting the preferred ph difference between your contaminant (which generally enjoys more acidic substrate) and your mycelium (which likes more basic substrates).
Your mycelium will exude acidic metabolites and digestive fluids and will steadily acidify its surroundings making contamination nearly inevitable both because of the pH and because your mycelium will become weaker over time.
As to the "evaporation as trigger". Name a situation where evaporation does not happen. And what exactly is the mechanism? I have yet to see even a suggestion of a test for "microclimate variations" let alone actual evaluations of it, what ever it is. I have tried using water crystals as casing, there must be large amounts of immediate evaporation from them yet it has not been particularly effective.
Still, triggers are not really that important given that most techniques manage them inadvertently or otherwise.
How many mushrooms of this variety have been grown in ABSOLUTE darkness? I mean no light from start to finish? Everyone takes a peek. A peek is all it takes. And light is measurable. Microclimate and evaporation are not. So we really can't claim evaporation is a trigger. Nor can anyone claim there to be a single fruiting trigger, surely there are several. Fresh air, or more specifically co2 concentration (or o2) plays a part as well.
Hepa filters can be handy, laminar systems for sterile work are great but most find still air boxes do just fine.
7L!fTeD24
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This is all theory. Educated guesses based on experimentation. Shows how complex these organisms are though. People have been cultivating them for a very long time and we still are here debating what makes them grow. I don't know I'm no scientist just calls it how's I sees it. But honestly you don't even need to know all that to grow mushrooms, doesn't have to be that complicated, one can simply just follow the direction of someone else and get what they're looking for.
Drop That Sound
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Thanks for the advice guys. I think this will be my last post even using the word contam, even if it actually happens. I see how there is no real sense even talking about it, and how that could potentially dissuade any other newcomers from wanting to try cultivating their own...
7L!fTeD24
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No worries man. Contams are real and they definitely happen. Just hasn't happened to me. Keep everything clean, especially in the beginning. Its not recommended to keep opening shoe boxes before they're colonized because it can easily contaminate it. But I can't help it and I've been lucky. Whatever I say take with a grain of salt, I just started also and don't wanna give any bad advice but through this thread and the people tagging along I've learned alot. Maybe not all the science behind it but definitely how to grow them. I think alot of the sciency lingo we use scares newcomers away. I had no idea what people were talking about at first. Keep it clean, keep it simple, learn from your successes and failures.
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