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Budzbuddha

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Just trying to get a laugh out of BudzBuddha, I do humor too, the alcohol and bud should do it alone. However the Ukrainians might not be in a charitable mood with recent atrocities. They sure got hammered in Bucha, the streets are full of blown up Russian vehicles. The executions of civilians did not go over well, could have been the Chechens, they were in the area and many died there.
Considering the the literal ‘ rape and pillaging ‘ of the Ukrainian people - any tactic to repel enemy is warranted. Same thing that was done during the civil war between the north and south. Union soldiers were fed poisoned pies and drink. Russian soldiers have continuously raided homes / murdered occupants / raped women / robbed personal belongings and destroyed lives with zero disregard.

Some news stories are filtering in about the Russian conscripts desperately looking for food and or supplies, with some drinking pond water or sharing one field ration among others in unit. There’s word that it’s such an logistical nightmare for the Russian troops , many carry WWII Mosin rifles .
Broadly speaking, urban combat favors the defender, particularly the highly motivated indigenous defender who enjoys the support of the local populace in acquiring intelligence about the attacker.

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CCGNZ

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i think i'll let the courts settle the semantic issues after the war...war crimes have been committed, the only question now is how many, and how harsh the sentences will be
Worst fears coming to fruition,the mentality of Russian armed forces hasn't changed or evolved going back to Stalin,cruelty of epic proportions,some real dark souls operating in these towns and they will live w/the burden of their deeds till they die,I hope the atrocities they committed consume and haunt their minds and they never sleep soundly the rest of their lives,so sickening and needless.Western armed forces try to win hearts and minds and the Russians?,they only know how to crush hearts and minds.The remaining Ukranian armed forces will now be filled w/a vindictive resolve bent on avenging the victims of these maggots.
 

CCGNZ

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I read it awhile back and just posted links in answer after a glance.
The F-15 EX is basically going to be a missile or ordinance truck w/updated electronics and the situational awareness upgrades to work w/the f-22 and f-35 as they ruin their stealth by carrying additional weaponry that is externally mounted,the silent eagle was cancelled,and now the US is going to produce a sub gen5 fighter to replace many aging airframes,probably based somewhat on the f-16 as it is small and relatively inexpensive and has always been a fly by wire jet,it's a good place to start as it has been a extremely successful platform,and even today can more than hold its own,as a matter of fact if a F-16 gets into visual range of a f-35 the f-35 is toast.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Call me a savage but I don’t understand the treatment of Russian soldiers captured by Ukrainians. Feed comfort even send the back to their lines. After seeing what Russians are doing to civilians, id do things to them that make cartels blush
It depends on who they are, technically under law they are not POWs, there was no declared war, they are criminals. However good terms of surrender will be taken up by the innocent more than by the guilty, they know what they did. It's cheaper to cut them off and take prisoners than to kill them, besides live prisoners talk and change their minds, the dead are silent and that's how Vlad wants it.

There were Chechen mercenaries in the area I believe and earlier there were many of them slaughtered in the area, seems their style. I'm pretty sure that army is being destroyed in the north west, as they are attempting an orderly retreat north. These guys are worse moving back than forward and will pay for it.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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I’m just saying that if they’re not in current possession of the gov’t, it won’t happen in time.
The government can clean out current inventories and so can allies, if desired, the 600s could be in short supply though. Will there be enough to make a difference? Who knows, but the retired generals were screaming tanks for a week because they are in the loop with classified briefings. They know what is about to happen anyway, they worked with the guys who are advising the Ukrainians and probably trained many of them themselves. They are part of the "team" generals don't really retire in America, you have a huge bench of experienced general officers and they often work in various institutes and universities, many have doctorates and such.

So they want tanks for offensive operations, Javelins and especially NLAWs won't do for such work, they probably won't use them much against other tanks, but will drive over defensive positions along with the infantry in tow. So they are scrambling for old soviet tanks in eastern Europe and have been for awhile, planes too, or perhaps drones to help out, including switchblades, they can replace tactical air support, to a degree, or so say the generals on TV.
 
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DIY-HP-LED

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I think this guy was a Youtuber before the war, he seems experienced at it, just an average guy caught up in the war and serving in the reserves who support the regular army.
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Bucha Massacre: Brief Update on the Genocide of Ukrainians

 

DIY-HP-LED

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Here is what Vlad is watching in German language, same report script and footage with another announcer, this is the English language service, there may be a Russian language version too, or soon could be!

If Vlad watches western TV news it will probably be German, he should, to get an idea of world reaction and a more complete picture. This will result in even more advanced weapons going into Ukraine from the west, just as they are going on the offensive and need them. Atrocities are stupid on many levels and indicate a complete breakdown of order and discipline, no standards of conduct, no training, no brains and no hearts. Western military people are as outraged as everybody else, but also know the magnitude of their error and stupidity.

The price Vlad will pay for peace at the negotiating table just went up substantially, he might regret this shit, if only for pragmatic reasons.
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Outrage over atrocities near Kyiv +++ Russia bombs fuel facilities in Odessa | Ukraine latest

 
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DIY-HP-LED

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Some of the things Uncle Sam mentioned in recent arms supplied to Ukraine went largely unnoticed by the media, but could make the biggest difference in the ground war and especially in offensive operations. The jamming and anti drone equipment being supplied will blind the Russians and take those drones laser designating targets and guiding artillery out of the air for the most part. One other important thing is it can help hide Ukrainian troop movements from the Russians and allow them to use the element of surprise and deception much easier. Sure the Russians have satellite photo's and they know exactly when the limited number can appear above and they are useless on cloudy days and nights.

The Ukrainians could be massing for an attack on Kherson in the south and drive towards Crimea and use reserve forces to make it appear they are driving for Mariupol or the east on satellite images, it would be hard to tell the difference from satellite images, especially when the Ukrainians hid during satellite passes. Surprise is a big factor in war, the Russians may figure they will attack in the south or east, they are not sure where. Since the Ukrainians have very large reserves, they can use them to hold areas already cleared by the army and mop up in the north east and west. This allows the regular army who do the heavy lifting to move on to the next front and overwhelm them there, destroying and capturing as much as they can now, or they will have to do it later.
 

printer

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Some of the things Uncle Sam mentioned in recent arms supplied to Ukraine went largely unnoticed by the media, but could make the biggest difference in the ground war and especially in offensive operations. The jamming and anti drone equipment being supplied will blind the Russians and take those drones laser designating targets and guiding artillery out of the air for the most part.
Got a link on the jamming and anti drone equipment from the US?
 

Roger A. Shrubber

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Call me a savage but I don’t understand the treatment of Russian soldiers captured by Ukrainians. Feed comfort even send the back to their lines. After seeing what Russians are doing to civilians, id do things to them that make cartels blush
i would do the same as you...but it appears the Ukrainians have a wiser leader than either of us. When the war is over, people will be able to say that the Ukrainians acted honorably, lawfully, and humanely...while they will say the russians were monsterous, murderous criminals...i know that doesn't seem like much comfort now, but it's value post war will be enormous, as russia becomes a pariah to all except those who should share the status with them already, while Ukraine will become a favored trade partner, and will eventually be granted EU membership, and then NATO membership, although that may take a decade or more.
if Zelensky can clean up the coruption that plagues Ukrainian politics, they will be held up as a shining example of what a country can do to help itself...that kind of reputation goes a long way in the global community
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Got a link on the jamming and anti drone equipment from the US?
I saw it on TV when they mentioned it along with switchblades, that got all the attention. They mentioned anti drone and jamming equipment and weren't specific, other NATO nations can supply this stuff too. It would also be logical and most is not that secret, physicists being physics, a lot just whacks it with RF in a powerful directional beam. Detection isn't an issue for drones that transmit and receive. They might not send top of the line stuff, but drone defense has been around for awhile, so they might have various things that can be given without too much concern.
 

Roger A. Shrubber

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Energy weapons are in a probably advanced state of development. I imagine an orbited civilian model with slow recharge rate and an absolute proscription on pointing it at spacecraft or space assets in good standing, with watchdogs on the ground to hit the “fry the guidance” button should should the trash vaporizer behave oddly. Followed by criminal court for the crew.
Starship could orbit and possibly deorbit it, and Eeyore the Musky thanks you for the business.
you mean to clean up the trash in orbit? if they destroy the stuff while it's in orbit, wouldn't that just make a bigger "cloud" of smaller pieces? or do you suppose they could damage old stuff just enough to knock it out of the sky with all the smaller stuff burning up on re-entry? and the destruction of larger items scheduled to have the larger items crash into the ocean?
that's a hell of a weapon to put into civilian hands, i wouldn't trust it to any private company, anywhere...maybe a joint council with representatives from several nation's space programs.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Got a link on the jamming and anti drone equipment from the US?
I just had a look, couldn't find much, it might have been one of the retired people commenting on it who mentioned it in passing. I believe it was later after the initial bunch of drones was sent, the latest bunch of stuff included more switchblades and other drones I believe. If you are gonna conduct drone warfare, then you need defense too, the Russians are using such equipment, when they have it and have been for awhile. It's mostly 2.4 Ghz, 900MHZ and 480MHz that commercial drones and RC pilots use, there is a lot of cheap equipment that operates in these ranges. 1.2 and 1.3 Ghz are common for long range video. Military drones often use directed line of sight encrypted communications, they point a GPS enabled tracking dish at it, or phased array antenna.
 

Roger A. Shrubber

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I oppose it. It’s hateful.
it's easy to oppose decisions made in war, from the comfort of our warm, well lit homes...would i poison enemy soldiers posing a direct threat to me, my family, my home, and my country? yes. and feel absolutely no shame about doing it. no pride either...you don't feel pride or shame when you shoot a predator that is threatening your herd, you don't feel pride or shame when you kill vermin that infest your homes or food supplies...extraordinary situations require extraordinary measures, and i would feel fully justified feeding every russian soldier in Ukrain a large dose of rat poison, if it would end the war today.
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
you mean to clean up the trash in orbit? if they destroy the stuff while it's in orbit, wouldn't that just make a bigger "cloud" of smaller pieces? or do you suppose they could damage old stuff just enough to knock it out of the sky with all the smaller stuff burning up on re-entry? and the destruction of larger items scheduled to have the larger items crash into the ocean?
that's a hell of a weapon to put into civilian hands, i wouldn't trust it to any private company, anywhere...maybe a joint council with representatives from several nation's space programs.
If it’s vaporized or sufficiently reduced to fine bits, the solar wind will clean it out. Larger bits or droplets, up to a certain size (that I don’t know) are draggy things and will deorbit into the atmosphere. So long as perigee is below say a thousand kilometers.
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
it's easy to oppose decisions made in war, from the comfort of our warm, well lit homes...would i poison enemy soldiers posing a direct threat to me, my family, my home, and my country? yes. and feel absolutely no shame about doing it. no pride either...you don't feel pride or shame when you shoot a predator that is threatening your herd, you don't feel pride or shame when you kill vermin that infest your homes or food supplies...extraordinary situations require extraordinary measures, and i would feel fully justified feeding every russian soldier in Ukrain a large dose of rat poison, if it would end the war today.
The Geneva Protocols exist for a reason. Some weapons are so based in cruelty that the community of civilized nations has agreed not to use them.

An example is nonmetallic shrapnel. Medics can’t find it by imaging, and must search for it by touch, which means medics with bandaged hands who can’t do surgery any longer.

Chemical weapons are by their nature poisons, and as such they possess a unique and destabilizing wrinkle. Unlike nuclear and bio, they can be targeted on individuals, leaving the man next to the target untouched.

This ambiguity makes chemical weapons the “gateway wmd”. This requires ethical warfighters to consider any use to be over the threshold. A nuking is a legitimate response to someone who deploys any such, imo.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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The Geneva Protocols exist for a reason. Some weapons are so based in cruelty that the community of civilized nations has agreed not to use them.

An example is nonmetallic shrapnel. Medics can’t find it by imaging, and must search for it by touch, which means medics with bandaged hands who can’t do surgery any longer.

Chemical weapons are by their nature poisons, and as such they possess a unique and destabilizing wrinkle. Unlike nuclear and bio, they can be targeted on individuals, leaving the man next to the target untouched.

This ambiguity makes chemical weapons the “gateway wmd”. This requires ethical warfighters to consider any use to be over the threshold. A nuking is a legitimate response to someone who deploys any such, imo.
Such rules exist and are adhered to by enlarge by liberal democracies that have the rule of law, domestic and international, however the rule of law does not really exist in a dictatorship. There are no policeman in international affairs there is only war and retribution, while trying not to descend to their level. Civilians are suppose to be protected by the laws of war, and if what happened in Bucha, happened elsewhere and it appears to be common in other places under occupation. I cannot mortally or ethically judge such people when they poison Russian troops, while risking their own lives to do it. I have no doubt the Russians came back and were looking for blood. When they break the rules, others will too, there are more than professional soldiers on this battlefield, there are civilians at every level resisting in every way imaginable, some are armed. In time there would have been IDE's, suicide bombers and truck bombs in the Russian areas, with what they were doing to the civilian population.

America made it's enemies it's allies after WW2, the Russians helped a lot with this, as both a carrot and a stick, both in Japan and in Germany. The policy of self determination and free trade was anti colonial and pushed by the States, while supported by the British who wanted to quit the empire. It did much for world peace and to check communist expansion in the cold war, however they also propped up a lot of dictators and strong men that made Vlad seem tame.
 
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