January 6th hearings on Trump's failed insurrection.

[Fogdog]

One shot each it would appear, Georgia, NY and the feds on Christ knows how many potential charges, but one kick at the can for the feds. I think Georgia will be the place to watch, if they indict Trump this spring, things could get interesting. He could be found not guilty there, with a Trumper on the jury, but the trial will be on TV and the damage done when they testify against him in court on TV.

Needless to say, whatever the verdict Trump will flip out, seeking revenge no matter what the consequences! Mitch will be right in his crosshairs too as he thrashes around in fear and rage. This going down just before election season in Georgia could doom the entire republican party in 2022 as Trump's people bolt. Margins are close in many places and Donald keeping his hardcore base home, not to mention mass GOP suicide by covid, could make all the difference in the house and senate.

It seems as if the strategy is to take away his money laundering empire first and gain access to the corporation's internal documents via RICO. If that judgement comes down, nobody can put Humpty Trumpy together again.

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

It seems as if the strategy is to take away his money laundering empire first and gain access to the corporation's internal documents via RICO. If that judgement falls, nobody can put Humpty Trumpy together again.

Oh he could get it from both ends at once and have to fly between NY and Georgia! The case in Georgia is cut and dried, even if they indicted him for conspiracy. I saw legal experts on TV wondering about the delay there already, the special grand jury has perhaps a dozen or two witnesses to hear, they don't indict though, they just recommend in Ga. Likewise the trial is straight forward and uncomplicated, it centers around a tape recording and witness testimony from high government officials. If Georgia is gonna try Trump, Fulton Co has the best chance of convicting him, even if they don't, it will rip the republicans to pieces as Donald goes off the deep end.

"Fulton County is one of the most reliably Democratic counties in the entire nation. It has voted Democratic in every presidential election since 1876 except those of 1928 and in 1972, when George McGovern could not win a single county in Georgia".

 

[Fogdog]

Oh he could get it from both ends at once and have to fly between NY and Georgia! The case in Georgia is cut and dried, even if they indicted him for conspiracy. I saw legal experts on TV wondering about the delay there already, the special grand jury has perhaps a dozen or two witnesses to hear, they don't indict though, they just recommend in Ga. Likewise the trial is straight forward and uncomplicated, it centers around a tape recording and witness testimony from high government officials. If Georgia is gonna try Trump, Fulton Co has the best chance of convicting him, even if they don't, it will rip the republicans to pieces as Donald goes off the deep end.

"Fulton County is one of the most reliably Democratic counties in the entire nation. It has voted Democratic in every presidential election since 1876 except those of 1928 and in 1972, when George McGovern could not win a single county in Georgia".

I remember when I was a pimply faced kid, wondering if I would ever get laid, so I understand your anxiety.

 

[Roger A. Shrubber]

It's there for all to see. Like the arcade game where you put in some coins and the little crane seems to grab the teddy bear your kid wants so badly he cries when it drops it. It's right there in front of you but out of reach.

That said, we get one shot at putting Trump away. I can wait. They are doing a good job. I think so, but maybe it's like that little crane.

little cranes can get broken, set on fire, shot several times, then fed to hungry hogs....oh, i'm sorry, i meant "trumps"...trumps can get fed to hungry hogs....

 

[Roger A. Shrubber]

The only one more legally fucked than Rudy is Trump, they probably didn't offer him a deal because he would be such an unreliable and incredible witness. I think Meadows would be a better target, the dumb bastard hung them all anyway when he coughed up the documents and trove of text messages. Meadows was at the center of everything and was Trump's cock and brain during the whole thing. He was in on the infamous phone call to Georgia and will be called to testify there too, on TV. I think Georgia is gonna do Donald before the election and they are gonna do him live on TV! Way more bang for the buck when the public sees the trial and becomes the jury. I think the fact that in Georgia such trials are televised makes it a near certainty his trial will happen this summer or even fall. Kempt, Raffensperger and other GOP officals will have to testify against him about the infamous recording.

So starting with Trump's trial in Georgia, I'd say Meadows will end up being king rat. He would have to publicly testify and confess to the big lie, even make a PSA to mitigate his crime etc.

why do a psa? no one will believe that he means a word of it, and his deranged fucknut followers will just claim it was a coerced statement, and use it as grounds to enshrine him as the worlds most disgusting, undeserving martyr....

 

[Roger A. Shrubber]

One shot each it would appear, Georgia, NY and the feds on Christ knows how many potential charges, but one kick at the can for the feds. I think Georgia will be the place to watch, if they indict Trump this spring, things could get interesting. He could be found not guilty there, with a Trumper on the jury, but the trial will be on TV and the damage done when they testify against him in court on TV.

Needless to say, whatever the verdict Trump will flip out, seeking revenge no matter what the consequences! Mitch will be right in his crosshairs too as he thrashes around in fear and rage. This going down just before election season in Georgia could doom the entire republican party in 2022 as Trump's people bolt. Margins are close in many places and Donald keeping his hardcore base home, not to mention mass GOP suicide by covid, could make all the difference in the house and senate.

no...you seem to think fucking magats perceive reality as normal people do...it will make not one fucking bit of difference to ANY magat ANYWHERE what the jury finds, unless of course they find him not guilty, then they will join trump is sainthood....they've seen the proof with their own eyes multiple times, and refuse to except it as reality...why in the world do you think putting it on tv in a state run by fucking magats will make any kind of difference to them? it's a fake news witch hunt to discredit the greatest American president who ever lived, to them...
and trump won't keep anyone at home, he's out busily endorsing lap dogs that will do his will if they win their primaries...the only good thing that can come from trying trump is putting him out of action and making him essentially incommunicado for several years.

 

[Fogdog]

This might seem off topic but bear with me. The US froze funds meant to aid Afghanistan and Afghanis after the Taliban took over. They did this over @Lucky Luke 's objections (whatever). So, some, about $3.5 B is targeted to go into a trust fund for Afghanis that the Taliban government cannot touch. The rest, $7B will go toward the Taliban's victims on 9/11. Love, Love, Love the justice in this measure.

Afghanistan conflict: US plans to use frozen funds for 9/11 victims and relief

The US government is planning to use $7bn (£5.16bn) in frozen Afghan assets to compensate victims of the 9/11 attacks and for relief efforts.
Washington froze the money after the Taliban took power last year but has been under pressure to find a way to use it without aiding the militants.
A Taliban spokesman condemned the move, calling it "theft" and a sign of "moral decay".
The move came in an executive order declaring a national emergency.
As for the funds, President Biden's order formally blocks them, and says US financial institutions should transfer them to a consolidated account at the Federal Reserve.
The money, along with another $2bn held in Europe, the UAE and elsewhere, is primarily the proceeds of international assistance given to Afghanistan over the last two decades.

Afghanistan conflict: US plans to use frozen funds for 9/11 victims and relief

The US has been holding the funds since the Taliban took over Afghanistan last year.

www.bbc.com

Now then. Trump is on his way to paying for his crimes on Jan 6. A judge has already cleared the way for civil lawsuits against Trump for the harm his beloved fascist paramilitary army did to Capitol police and others who were caught up in the violence of that day. But Trump is going to fight it tooth and nail. He doesn't even try to win is court battles, he wears people down, counter sues and sends people after them in private to menace, harass and on occasion murder. That's just Donnie being Donnie.

But a new source of cash might be coming available -- Trump's benefactors. Putin reportedly has stolen and smuggled $200 B from Russia to sleazy banks, real estate ventures and the like. Same with oligarchs -- Roman Abramovich, Alexander Abramov, Oleg Deripaska, Mikhail Prokhorov, Alisher Usmanov, German Khan, Viktor Vekselberg, Leonid Mikhelson, Vagit Alekperov, Mikhail Fridman, Dmitry Rybolovlev, Vladimir Potanin, Pyotr Aven, and Vitaly Malkin. These guys are multi-Billionaires and all of them have offshore accounts or investments holding their dirty money.

Sanctions against Putin and his criminal gang are imminent due to the crisis in Ukraine. Once sanctions are invoked, any and all funds attached to these people will be frozen, could be taken away. Something like $100B. What to do with it? Perhaps do with it as we did with Afghan money? Any victim of Putin's psy ops actions. Anybody menaced by Trump's twitter goons or Proud Boys or the Texas town that was abused in a hyped but fake protest, victims in Jan 6 attack. Let Putin pay.

As Beau says. It's just a thought.

 

[Lucky Luke]

This might seem off topic but bear with me. The US froze funds meant to aid Afghanistan and Afghanis after the Taliban took over. They did this over @Lucky Luke 's objections (whatever). So, some, about $3.5 B is targeted to go into a trust fund for Afghanis that the Taliban government cannot touch. The rest, $7B will go toward the Taliban's victims on 9/11. Love, Love, Love the justice in this measure.

Afghanistan conflict: US plans to use frozen funds for 9/11 victims and relief

The US government is planning to use $7bn (£5.16bn) in frozen Afghan assets to compensate victims of the 9/11 attacks and for relief efforts.
Washington froze the money after the Taliban took power last year but has been under pressure to find a way to use it without aiding the militants.
A Taliban spokesman condemned the move, calling it "theft" and a sign of "moral decay".
The move came in an executive order declaring a national emergency.
As for the funds, President Biden's order formally blocks them, and says US financial institutions should transfer them to a consolidated account at the Federal Reserve.
The money, along with another $2bn held in Europe, the UAE and elsewhere, is primarily the proceeds of international assistance given to Afghanistan over the last two decades.

Afghanistan conflict: US plans to use frozen funds for 9/11 victims and relief

The US has been holding the funds since the Taliban took over Afghanistan last year.

www.bbc.com

Now then. Trump is on his way to paying for his crimes on Jan 6. A judge has already cleared the way for civil lawsuits against Trump for the harm his beloved fascist paramilitary army did to Capitol police and others who were caught up in the violence of that day. But Trump is going to fight it tooth and nail. He doesn't even try to win is court battles, he wears people down, counter sues and sends people after them in private to menace, harass and on occasion murder. That's just Donnie being Donnie.

But a new source of cash might be coming available -- Trump's benefactors. Putin reportedly has stolen and smuggled $200 B from Russia to sleazy banks, real estate ventures and the like. Same with oligarchs -- Roman Abramovich, Alexander Abramov, Oleg Deripaska, Mikhail Prokhorov, Alisher Usmanov, German Khan, Viktor Vekselberg, Leonid Mikhelson, Vagit Alekperov, Mikhail Fridman, Dmitry Rybolovlev, Vladimir Potanin, Pyotr Aven, and Vitaly Malkin. These guys are multi-Billionaires and all of them have offshore accounts or investments holding their dirty money.

Sanctions against Putin and his criminal gang are imminent due to the crisis in Ukraine. Once sanctions are invoked, any and all funds attached to these people will be frozen, could be taken away. Something like $100B. What to do with it? Perhaps do with it as we did with Afghan money? Any victim of Putin's psy ops actions. Anybody menaced by Trump's twitter goons or Proud Boys or the Texas town that was abused in a hyped but fake protest, victims in Jan 6 attack. Let Putin pay.

As Beau says. It's just a thought.

So lawyer's get a huge cut if not the majority of Afghanistan's money that was given to them primarily by the proceeds of international assistance?

Seems a bit strange giving the money to victims of 9/11 as Afghanistan didn't do 9/11. Depending on who you ask that seems to be either Bin Laden and al-Qaeda or Saudi Arabia with Bush's knowledge. Neither Bin laden, al-Qaeda or the Saudis were in control of Afghanistan.

Strange decision if it comes about but very, very American with the lawyers pocketing a heap and more of 'don't look at the Saudis".

If only the US and the coalition of the willing didn't invade Iraq over a lie then none of this may of happened. Hindsight is a wonderful thing unfortunately.


Would the money be better spent going to the Marshall islands and helping to clean the nuclear and biological mess the US left there? I'm sure the people, companies and countries who donated the money might find it a better cause than lawyers? Would that be a win/win? Not like Afghanistan will ever see any anyway and lawyers are hated worldwide.



"in the Marshall Islands, Runit Dome holds more than 3.1 million cubic feet — or 35 Olympic-sized swimming pools — of U.S.-produced radioactive soil and debris, including lethal amounts of plutonium. Nowhere else has the United States saddled another country with so much of its nuclear waste, a product of its Cold War atomic testing program.

Between 1946 and 1958, the United States detonated 67 nuclear bombs on, in and above the Marshall Islands — vaporizing whole islands, carving craters into its shallow lagoons and exiling hundreds of people from their homes."

How the U.S. betrayed the Marshall Islands, kindling the next nuclear disaster

The U.S. buried nuclear waste in the Pacific after WWII. It’s close to resurfacing.

www.latimes.com

 

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Judge in Trump conspiracy case links Jan. 6 to history of racist violence
On Friday, Federal District Judge Amita Mehta ruled that a civil suit alleging a conspiracy to foment the Jan. 6 insurrection could proceed. In an extremely thorough and detailed 112-page ruling, Mehta concluded that the plaintiffs had made a “plausible” case that former President Trump himself was at the center of a conspiracy to stop the peaceful transfer of power.

While plausibility is not the same as proven, Mehta’s ruling is the first time such a finding has been made in an official proceeding.

It brings the nation one step closer to learning the truth about Trump’s role in the Jan. 6 insurrection. It keeps alive an important avenue for holding him accountable for his actions.

And it paves the way for the work of the U.S. House Select Committee to Investigate the January 6th Attack on the United States Capitol.

But there seems nothing crazy or partisan about Friday’s ruling.

In fact, at the same time that Mehta painstakingly reviewed the evidence against Trump, he delivered a victory to the president’s son, Donald Trump, Jr., and Rudy Giuliani by dismissing claims made against them.

The judge was also well aware of the momentousness of allowing the suit against the former president to proceed. “To deny a president immunity from civil damages is no small step,” Mehta wrote. “The court well understands the gravity of its decision. But the alleged facts of this case are without precedent, and the court believes that its decision is consistent with the purposes behind such immunity.”

Mehta framed the almost unimaginable fact that an incumbent president tried to undo the results of an election in light of the well-established principles of civil conspiracy. He did an especially important service to the public and to the Jan. 6 Committee by debunking the popular misunderstanding that to be guilty of conspiracy people need to meet “secretly to hatch a plan to violate the law.”

The kinds of conspiracies that the law prohibits do not “require such a degree of deliberation, formality and coordination. In fact a civil conspiracy requires only an express or “tacit” agreement to “participate in an unlawful act or a lawful act in an unlawful manner.”

It is enough, the judge wrote that members of the conspiracy “‘in some way or manner, or through some contrivance … came to a mutual understanding to try to accomplish a common and unlawful plan.’”

The judge detailed the steps that Trump took to “‘prevent, by force, intimidation or threat’” congressional certification of Biden’s election to the presidency. He was clear and direct in laying out the evidence that suggests the plausibility of the plaintiffs’ contention that Trump and his allies “created the conditions that would enable the violence” that happened on Jan. 6.

The president’s role was, as Mehta puts it, “multifaceted.” His co-conspirators included the Proud Boys, the Oath Keepers and “others who entered the Capitol … with the intent to disrupt the certification of the Electoral College vote through force, intimidation or threats.”

This multifaceted role included Trump’s months-long lies about election fraud and corruption, his invitation to supporters to come to Washington, D.C., on Jan. 6 to be “wild,” his direct involvement in planning that event, his speech to his supporters assembled there, and his response — or lack thereof — to events as they unfolded later that afternoon.

In a particularly damning part of his opinion, Mehta notes that it was “the president’s and his campaign’s idea to send thousands to the Capitol while the certification was underway. It was not a planned part of the rally.”

Judge in Trump conspiracy case links Jan. 6 to history of racist violence

They were seeking to nullify the Black vote that had played a critical role in Biden’s victory.

thehill.com

 

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Rep. Raskin Discusses How Trump's Ally's Are Cooperating With Jan. 6th Committee

As the House January 6th select committee continues to investigate the events leading up to the insurrection at the Capitol, more subpoenas roll out to the people involved. January 6th Select Committee member and former impeachment manager Rep. Jamie Raskin says “Trump had the most global comprehensive view of what was taking place,” but they’re learning not all his cohorts were on board with all aspects of the grander scheme. “In general we’re seeing remarkable cooperation,” says Raskin, despite the liberal use of the 5th Amendment

 

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US Supreme Court Ends Trump's Fight to Block Release of Jan. 6 Records
The court's decision to formally reject Trump's appeal follows its Jan. 19 order that led to the documents being handed over to the House of Representatives investigative committee by the federal agency that stores government and historical records.

The U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit on Dec. 9 upheld a lower court ruling that Trump had no basis to challenge President Joe Biden's decision to allow the records to be handed over to the House of Representatives select committee. Trump then appealed to the Supreme Court

The committee asked the National Archives to produce visitor logs, phone records, and written communications between his advisers.

Biden previously determined that the records, which belong to the executive branch, should not be subject to executive privilege.

US Supreme Court Ends Trump's Fight to Block Release of Jan. 6 Records

The U.S. Supreme Court brought a formal end Tuesday to former President Donald Trump's request to block the release of White House records sought by the Democrat-led congressional panel investigating the Jan. 6, 2021 breach of the U.S. Capitol.

www.newsmax.com

 

[Roger A. Shrubber]

US Supreme Court Ends Trump's Fight to Block Release of Jan. 6 Records
The court's decision to formally reject Trump's appeal follows its Jan. 19 order that led to the documents being handed over to the House of Representatives investigative committee by the federal agency that stores government and historical records.

The U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit on Dec. 9 upheld a lower court ruling that Trump had no basis to challenge President Joe Biden's decision to allow the records to be handed over to the House of Representatives select committee. Trump then appealed to the Supreme Court

The committee asked the National Archives to produce visitor logs, phone records, and written communications between his advisers.

Biden previously determined that the records, which belong to the executive branch, should not be subject to executive privilege.

US Supreme Court Ends Trump's Fight to Block Release of Jan. 6 Records

The U.S. Supreme Court brought a formal end Tuesday to former President Donald Trump's request to block the release of White House records sought by the Democrat-led congressional panel investigating the Jan. 6, 2021 breach of the U.S. Capitol.

www.newsmax.com

bet trump is PISSED right now, his hand picked buttlicking toadies turned on him...

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

bet trump is PISSED right now, his hand pick buttlicking toadies turned on him...

They were always Mitch's picks really and Mitch wants Donald fucked now that his usefulness is over. He's also got control of much of the base and might just fuck the GOP out of revenge, stupidity, desperation and/or insanity! If Donald isn't taken out soon it will be bad for the republicans because they will be into primary season and Donald wants to install his loyalists. So I'd say the republicans would be doing all they can behind the scenes to expedite justice for Donald, cause his downfall could happen at a very inconvenient place and time this summer.

 

[Roger A. Shrubber]

They were always Mitch's picks really and Mitch wants Donald fucked now that his usefulness is over. He's also got control of much of the base and might just fuck the GOP out of revenge, stupidity, desperation and/or insanity! If Donald isn't taken out soon it will be bad for the republicans because they will be into primary season and Donald wants to install his loyalists. So I'd say the republicans would be doing all they can behind the scenes to expedite justice for Donald, cause his downfall could happen at a very inconvenient place and time this summer.

i really hope that's why they're holding off on charging him...because the alternative is that they don't have any faith in their ability to successfully prosecute him...and if that's the case, we're all seriously fucked, and probably don't deserve to exist as a nation anymore....

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

i really hope that's why they're holding off on charging him...because the alternative is that they don't have any faith in their ability to successfully prosecute him...and if that's the case, we're all seriously fucked, and probably don't deserve to exist as a nation anymore....

Some of that may be true about the reluctance, but from the legal experts I've seen, they seem to think the case in Georgia is the strongest, simplest and the one that will most likely lead to an indictment first. Some experts have notice that this case seems to be taking a bit longer than usual to go to the grand jury and trial, there are many possible reasons for this though. The special grand jury is convened and they only have a dozen witnesses and a tape recording to go through to recommend indictments (they don't do it themselves there with a special grand jury).

As I said before, indicting him in Georgia will do the GOP the most damage and cause Trump to rip the GOP to pieces before the election. I heard he won't go to prison but with his large secret service detail would be under house arrest by the secret service. So when Donald loses his money, where would he live? I figure ya should spend some cash and build him a special prison, on an island somewhere. How about a little cottage in Gitmo?

 

[Roger A. Shrubber]

Some of that may be true about the reluctance, but from the legal experts I've seen, they seem to think the case in Georgia is the strongest, simplest and the one that will most likely lead to an indictment first. Some experts have notice that this case seems to be taking a bit longer than usual to go to the grand jury and trial, there are many possible reasons for this though. The special grand jury is convened and they only have a dozen witnesses and a tape recording to go through to recommend indictments (they don't do it themselves there with a special grand jury).

As I said before, indicting him in Georgia will do the GOP the most damage and cause Trump to rip the GOP to pieces before the election. I heard he won't go to prison but with his large secret service detail would be under house arrest by the secret service. So when Donald loses his money, where would he live? I figure ya should spend some cash and build him a special prison, on an island somewhere. How about a little cottage in Gitmo?

how about letting him live on trash island...seems appropriate to me

 

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Ivanka Trump in talks to appear before investigators on Jan. 6 committee: report
The negotiations over possible appearance follows a January request from the committee to the daughter of former President Trump who served as one of his closest advisors.

“Ivanka Trump is in discussions with the committee to voluntarily appear for an interview,” a spokeswoman for Trump confirmed in a statement to the Times on Wednesday.

A spokesperson for the committee declined to comment, but cooperation from Ivanka Trump would be a significant development for the panel, which has also floated the idea of formally asking for a similar appearance from former Vice President Mike Pence.

The committee in January outlined that it seeks insight Ivanka Trump may be able to offer about exchanges between Pence and her father.

“The Select Committee wishes to discuss the part of the conversation you observed between President Trump and Vice President Mike Pence on the morning of January 6th. Similarly, the Select Committee would like to discuss any other conversations you may have witnessed or participated in regarding the president’s plan to obstruct or impede the counting of electoral votes,” the committee wrote in the letter to Ivanka Trump.

It also asked her to reconstruct her activities on the day of the riot and provide insight into actions taken — or not taken — by the White House that day.

Ivanka Trump in talks to appear before investigators on Jan. 6 committee: report

Ivanka Trump is in discussions to appear before investigators from the House committee reviewing the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the Capitol, according to a report from The New York Times.The nego…

thehill.com

 

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Man who carried Pelosi's lectern on Jan. 6 sentenced to prison
A man who was photographed carrying House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's (D-Calif.) lectern as rioters stormed the Capitol on Jan 6. was sentenced on Friday to serve 75 days in prison.

District Court Judge Reggie B. Walton sentenced Adam Johnson on Friday, noting that Johnson made "a mockery" of the events that unfolded that day and that he could not overlook his behavior, NBC News reported. Johnson will be credited for some time he has already served. He must also pay a $5,000 fine.

"We're on a dangerous slide in America," Walton said Friday, according to NBC News. He also compared the Jan. 6 incident to something you would "see in banana republics."

Johnson expressed remorse for his actions in court on Friday and said that his actions since have shown that he was "ashamed" of the role he played in the Capitol riot. He also expressed that he had no desire to harm Pelosi at the time and recognized that had he done the same thing in another country he would be "on a firing wall instead of a courtroom," NBC News reported.

January 6th hearings on Trump's failed insurrection.

One shot each it would appear, Georgia, NY and the feds on Christ knows how many potential charges, but one kick at the can for the feds. I think Georgia will be the place to watch, if they indict Trump this spring, things could get interesting. He could be found not guilty there, with a Trumper...

www.rollitup.org

 

[captainmorgan]

BREAKING: The Jan. 6 select committee says it believes Donald Trump violated multiple laws in his quest to overturn the 2020 election — including obstruction of Congress and defrauding the United States.

 

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BREAKING: The Jan. 6 select committee says it believes Donald Trump violated multiple laws in his quest to overturn the 2020 election — including obstruction of Congress and defrauding the United States.

Fake news. Carry on.