I didn't know, because many libertarians have pretty extreme views on taxation, but if you're fine with taxes, then you can see the issue has nothing to do with money. I go this route because I dislike a dodging of accountability and the accountability certainly doesn't stop with elected officials, because do you really think it's possible that they're shitty and we're awesome and somehow only the shitty people have been able to make their way into politics by fooling the awesome people? That's just not possible. What is very possible, or probable, is that we're actually not awesome, yet we think we're fucking amazing. Delusions of grandeur on the largest scale.
January 6th hearings on Trump's failed insurrection.
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I'm negan
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I do not think that "government" is inherently bad or that the vast majority of people that work for government have bad intentions. I don't believe liberals have bad intentions. I believe they all think that their ideas are the best thing for the country. What I do think is that the US federal government has grow into a giant bureaucratic shit show and that the federal government has no business meddling in a lot of shit that they meddle. I'll give you an example that maybe some here might agree with. The DEA . It shouldn't exist. The federal government should have a limited role in law enforcement, high crimes and misdemeanors. Cases of interstate criminal organizations, national security, etc... States should enforce their own drug laws.
Fogdog
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Neegan was fascist, so yeah, that fits.
printer
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Opinion piece but interesting insight.
The real reason Jim Jordan is ranting against Jan. 6 committee staff
Rep. Jim Jordan (R-Ohio) just had a very telling little meltdown on Fox News’s “The Ingraham Angle,” ranting against the make-up of the House Jan. 6 select committee staff. His big concern? The committee has brought in too many former prosecutors. This is not a criminal investigation, he says.
Jordan’s criticism is both irrelevant and ignorant; perhaps, more generously, he’s playing provocateur.
The committee has staffed up with 14 or so ex-prosecutors because: a) the task is vast; b) they have the resources to hire well-trained lawyers who have handled complex federal cases; and c) typical congressional staffers just can’t handle such a colossal undertaking. In other words, Jordan and other Trump World lackeys are facing their worst possible nightmare in the mother of all congressional investigations.
Jordan’s rant comes after his infamous, tongue-tied ‘hummina, hummina’ moment when an Ohio reporter asked him on camera if he had spoken to the president on Jan. 6 “before, during or after the attack on the Capitol.” Jordan’s squirming response suggested that he was afraid the reporter was going to pin him down where Jordan didn’t want to be pinned.
It also comes after a “Just Security” report from last August detailed just how central a role Jordan played in aiding and abetting Trump’s misinformation campaign before and after the election, his lead role in spreading Trump’s “Big Lie,” and his furtive efforts to stop the certification of Joe Biden as president.
In addition to hiring investigators, these select committees always brought in outside legal talent, usually on loan from major law firms. Michael Chertoff was brought in by Chairman Alphonse D’Amato (R-N.Y.) for the Whitewater investigation; Chairman John F. Kerry (D-Mass) of the Senate POW/MIA committee brought in Boston lawyer Bill Codinha, and so on. They brought in other attorneys as well.
But not 14 of them.
That helps explain why defense attorney and well-respected former House general counsel Stanley Brand told the New York Times about the Jan. 6 select committee: “Having lived through and being a part of every major congressional investigation of the past 50 years from Iran-contra to Whitewater to everything else, this is the mother of all investigations and a quantum leap for Congress in a way I’ve never seen before.”
Even though I was a Senate investigator, I often consulted with Brand because he was a more effective legal advisor than his Senate legal counterpart. This man knows what he’s talking about when it comes to congressional investigations.
However, 14 former prosecutors on the Jan. 6 committee won’t ensure a successful outcome. That would come only by effectively marshaling the evidence and orchestrating it in a persuasive way in public hearings.
It is surprising how often outside lawyers can turn a public hearing into a snooze-fest for anyone watching: They focus too much on minutia instead of crafting a compelling storyline — much like a movie, complete with victims, good guys and bad guys, with a moral to the story.
Adding to the pressure are the Senate Republicans, who have pushed back against the recent Republican National Committee attack on GOP House members Liz Cheney (R-Wyo.) and Adam Kinzinger (R-Ill.), vocal critics of former President Trump, for their participation on the committee. That resistance and Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell’s (R-Ky.) apparent defense of the committee’s core mission constitute additional bipartisan credibility for the committee.
In recent weeks, details have emerged about what happened leading up to and on Jan. 6. Many are surprised at how clear the picture is becoming. I’m sure that hasn’t been lost on Rep. Jordan and other likely culprits in Trump World.
thehill.com
The real reason Jim Jordan is ranting against Jan. 6 committee staff
Rep. Jim Jordan (R-Ohio) just had a very telling little meltdown on Fox News’s “The Ingraham Angle,” ranting against the make-up of the House Jan. 6 select committee staff. His big concern? The committee has brought in too many former prosecutors. This is not a criminal investigation, he says.
Jordan’s criticism is both irrelevant and ignorant; perhaps, more generously, he’s playing provocateur.
The committee has staffed up with 14 or so ex-prosecutors because: a) the task is vast; b) they have the resources to hire well-trained lawyers who have handled complex federal cases; and c) typical congressional staffers just can’t handle such a colossal undertaking. In other words, Jordan and other Trump World lackeys are facing their worst possible nightmare in the mother of all congressional investigations.
Jordan’s rant comes after his infamous, tongue-tied ‘hummina, hummina’ moment when an Ohio reporter asked him on camera if he had spoken to the president on Jan. 6 “before, during or after the attack on the Capitol.” Jordan’s squirming response suggested that he was afraid the reporter was going to pin him down where Jordan didn’t want to be pinned.
It also comes after a “Just Security” report from last August detailed just how central a role Jordan played in aiding and abetting Trump’s misinformation campaign before and after the election, his lead role in spreading Trump’s “Big Lie,” and his furtive efforts to stop the certification of Joe Biden as president.
In addition to hiring investigators, these select committees always brought in outside legal talent, usually on loan from major law firms. Michael Chertoff was brought in by Chairman Alphonse D’Amato (R-N.Y.) for the Whitewater investigation; Chairman John F. Kerry (D-Mass) of the Senate POW/MIA committee brought in Boston lawyer Bill Codinha, and so on. They brought in other attorneys as well.
But not 14 of them.
That helps explain why defense attorney and well-respected former House general counsel Stanley Brand told the New York Times about the Jan. 6 select committee: “Having lived through and being a part of every major congressional investigation of the past 50 years from Iran-contra to Whitewater to everything else, this is the mother of all investigations and a quantum leap for Congress in a way I’ve never seen before.”
Even though I was a Senate investigator, I often consulted with Brand because he was a more effective legal advisor than his Senate legal counterpart. This man knows what he’s talking about when it comes to congressional investigations.
However, 14 former prosecutors on the Jan. 6 committee won’t ensure a successful outcome. That would come only by effectively marshaling the evidence and orchestrating it in a persuasive way in public hearings.
It is surprising how often outside lawyers can turn a public hearing into a snooze-fest for anyone watching: They focus too much on minutia instead of crafting a compelling storyline — much like a movie, complete with victims, good guys and bad guys, with a moral to the story.
Adding to the pressure are the Senate Republicans, who have pushed back against the recent Republican National Committee attack on GOP House members Liz Cheney (R-Wyo.) and Adam Kinzinger (R-Ill.), vocal critics of former President Trump, for their participation on the committee. That resistance and Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell’s (R-Ky.) apparent defense of the committee’s core mission constitute additional bipartisan credibility for the committee.
In recent weeks, details have emerged about what happened leading up to and on Jan. 6. Many are surprised at how clear the picture is becoming. I’m sure that hasn’t been lost on Rep. Jordan and other likely culprits in Trump World.
The real reason Jim Jordan is ranting against Jan. 6 committee staff
If Jordan was worried a local reporter might pin him down, wait till he gets 14 former prosecutors on his case.
thehill.com
captainmorgan
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(MAJOR BREAKING NEWS) Eyewitness: I Was Present As Alleged Coup Plotter Patrick Byrne Privately Confessed to Federal Crimes on January 6—and There's a Video of Him Doing It
New audio and video evidence from insurrectionists Joe Oltmann and Patrick Byrne is about to become critical to ongoing federal investigations by both the FBI and House January 6 Committee.
sethabramson.substack.com
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(MAJOR BREAKING NEWS) Eyewitness: I Was Present As Alleged Coup Plotter Patrick Byrne Privately Confessed to Federal Crimes on January 6—and There's a Video of Him Doing It
New audio and video evidence from insurrectionists Joe Oltmann and Patrick Byrne is about to become critical to ongoing federal investigations by both the FBI and House January 6 Committee.
Introduction
Just days ago, on an episode of Conservative Daily Podcast titled “GOPers Covering Up Election Fraud”, insurrectionist Colorado militiaman Joe Oltmann—whose presence in Donald Trump’s Insurrection Eve “command center” at the Willard Hotel in Washington was extensive…
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New audio and video evidence from insurrectionists Joe Oltmann and Patrick Byrne is about to become critical to ongoing federal investigations by both the FBI and House January 6 Committee.
Introduction
Just days ago, on an episode of Conservative Daily Podcast titled “GOPers Covering Up Election Fraud”, insurrectionist Colorado militiaman Joe Oltmann—whose presence in Donald Trump’s Insurrection Eve “command center” at the Willard Hotel in Washington was extensive…
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DIY-HP-LED
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Election Denier Under Investigation Is Running To Oversee Elections In Her State
“There is a possibility that this lady, who is currently under investigation for allegedly tampering with election machines, who actively pushes Donald Trump's Big Lie,” says Chris Hayes, “That woman could conceivably be in charge of overseeing all of Colorado's elections in 2024.”
“There is a possibility that this lady, who is currently under investigation for allegedly tampering with election machines, who actively pushes Donald Trump's Big Lie,” says Chris Hayes, “That woman could conceivably be in charge of overseeing all of Colorado's elections in 2024.”
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Who knows the system better than her?
DIY-HP-LED
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Letter To Pence Shows Fake Elector Scheme Being Put In Motion
Alex Wagner reports on a previously unreported January 5th letter from Arizona legislator and fake Trump elector Jake Hoffman to Mike Pence about the possibility of replacing Arizona's legitimate electors with fake Trump electors, and confirmation of the letter's receipt from a White House staffer.
Alex Wagner reports on a previously unreported January 5th letter from Arizona legislator and fake Trump elector Jake Hoffman to Mike Pence about the possibility of replacing Arizona's legitimate electors with fake Trump electors, and confirmation of the letter's receipt from a White House staffer.
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Biden orders Trump visitor logs turned over to Jan. 6 panel
President Biden is rejecting former President Trump’s claim of executive privilege over Trump-era White House visitor logs, ordering the National Archives to turn the documents over to the congressional panel investigating the Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol.
White House counsel Dana Remus sent a letter to U.S. archivist David Ferriero dated Tuesday spelling out the White House’s view and ordering the documents turned over to the committee within 15 days “unless prohibited by court order.”
The letter, a copy of which was obtained by The Hill, reiterates that the White House believes Congress “has a compelling need in service of its legislative functions” for the documents to understand circumstances leading up to “the most serious attack on the operations of the Federal Government since the Civil War.”
“The President has determined that an assertion of executive privilege is not in the best interests of the United States, and therefore is not justified, as to these records and portions of records,” Remus wrote.
Remus also noted that the White House’s current policy is to release visitor logs for transparency, a practice that was stopped under the Trump administration.
“The majority of the entries over which the former President has asserted executive privilege would be publicly released under current policy,” Remus wrote.
The letter says that the documents Trump is seeking to block are White House visitor logs showing appointments of those who entered the White House complex, including logs from Jan. 6, 2021, the day the U.S. Capitol came under violent assault from a mob of Trump supporters.
The correspondence was first reported by The New York Times.
Remus’s letter notes that the Archives, which is releasing documents to the committee on a rolling basis, submitted the visitor logs in question to the White House for review on Jan. 21. The White House was alerted to Trump’s privilege claims on Jan. 31, she wrote.
The committee is also seeking witness testimony from individuals linked to the former president.
thehill.com
President Biden is rejecting former President Trump’s claim of executive privilege over Trump-era White House visitor logs, ordering the National Archives to turn the documents over to the congressional panel investigating the Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol.
White House counsel Dana Remus sent a letter to U.S. archivist David Ferriero dated Tuesday spelling out the White House’s view and ordering the documents turned over to the committee within 15 days “unless prohibited by court order.”
The letter, a copy of which was obtained by The Hill, reiterates that the White House believes Congress “has a compelling need in service of its legislative functions” for the documents to understand circumstances leading up to “the most serious attack on the operations of the Federal Government since the Civil War.”
“The President has determined that an assertion of executive privilege is not in the best interests of the United States, and therefore is not justified, as to these records and portions of records,” Remus wrote.
Remus also noted that the White House’s current policy is to release visitor logs for transparency, a practice that was stopped under the Trump administration.
“The majority of the entries over which the former President has asserted executive privilege would be publicly released under current policy,” Remus wrote.
The letter says that the documents Trump is seeking to block are White House visitor logs showing appointments of those who entered the White House complex, including logs from Jan. 6, 2021, the day the U.S. Capitol came under violent assault from a mob of Trump supporters.
The correspondence was first reported by The New York Times.
Remus’s letter notes that the Archives, which is releasing documents to the committee on a rolling basis, submitted the visitor logs in question to the White House for review on Jan. 21. The White House was alerted to Trump’s privilege claims on Jan. 31, she wrote.
The committee is also seeking witness testimony from individuals linked to the former president.
Biden orders Trump visitor logs turned over to Jan. 6 panel
President Biden is rejecting former President Trump’s claim of executive privilege over Trump-era White House visitor logs, ordering the National Archives to turn the documents over to the congress…
thehill.com
Roger A. Shrubber
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they need to change the republican party animal to a weasel....
how many sets of rules can one party espouse?..looks like at least three...one for trump, one for themselves, and one for everyone else...
cannabineer
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They’re good with the irrelephant.
DIY-HP-LED
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Now Rudy was all set to play ball, but there were reports he was in contact with Trump recently. Rudy better have gotten cash up front and if he did, it shouldn't be hard to find. Maybe the ruse of cooperating with the government was to get Donald to pay up, boy are these clowns stupid and arrogant.
Considering the magnitude of their crime and ongoing efforts of insurrection and witness tampering, all the principles involved should be jailed without bail until trial, just as soon as they are indicted. They and the public need to be bitch slapped back to reality here, this is serious shit, an existential threat to the constitution and country is as serious as it gets.
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Considering the magnitude of their crime and ongoing efforts of insurrection and witness tampering, all the principles involved should be jailed without bail until trial, just as soon as they are indicted. They and the public need to be bitch slapped back to reality here, this is serious shit, an existential threat to the constitution and country is as serious as it gets.
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Rudy Giuliani says the January 6 committee is 'illegal' and 'can't subpoena anybody,' — after being subpoenaed himself
Giuliani's remarks come after The New York Times reported on the former mayor's intention to be "less confrontational" with the committee.
Roger A. Shrubber
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just drag his wrinkly ass into court, slam him in a chair, and if he doesn't answer to the panel's liking, slam his ass into a cell so hard the cockroaches complain about itNow Rudy was all set to play ball, but there were reports he was in contact with Trump recently. Rudy better have gotten cash up front and if he did, it shouldn't be hard to find. Maybe the ruse of cooperating with the government was to get Donald to pay up, boy are these clowns stupid and arrogant.
Considering the magnitude of their crime and ongoing efforts of insurrection and witness tampering, all the principles involved should be jailed without bail until trial, just as soon as they are indicted. They and the public need to be bitch slapped back to reality here, this is serious shit, an existential threat to the constitution and country is as serious as it gets.
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Rudy Giuliani says the January 6 committee is 'illegal' and 'can't subpoena anybody,' — after being subpoenaed himself
Giuliani's remarks come after The New York Times reported on the former mayor's intention to be "less confrontational" with the committee.
Fogdog
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Did I not say he was going to prank the committee?
So, now we go through the contempt of Congress waiting game.
Roger A. Shrubber
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is this fucking stupid shit ever going to be over? they're ALL fucking guilty, go round them up, have a trial, find them guilty, and then build the gallows...you think covid fatigue was bad, wait till trump fatigue sets in..oh, my bad, it's already started, 5 years ago
DIY-HP-LED
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The only one more legally fucked than Rudy is Trump, they probably didn't offer him a deal because he would be such an unreliable and incredible witness. I think Meadows would be a better target, the dumb bastard hung them all anyway when he coughed up the documents and trove of text messages. Meadows was at the center of everything and was Trump's cock and brain during the whole thing. He was in on the infamous phone call to Georgia and will be called to testify there too, on TV. I think Georgia is gonna do Donald before the election and they are gonna do him live on TV! Way more bang for the buck when the public sees the trial and becomes the jury. I think the fact that in Georgia such trials are televised makes it a near certainty his trial will happen this summer or even fall. Kempt, Raffensperger and other GOP officals will have to testify against him about the infamous recording.
So starting with Trump's trial in Georgia, I'd say Meadows will end up being king rat. He would have to publicly testify and confess to the big lie, even make a PSA to mitigate his crime etc.
Fogdog
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It's there for all to see. Like the arcade game where you put in some coins and the little crane seems to grab the teddy bear your kid wants so badly he cries when it drops it. It's right there in front of you but out of reach.
That said, we get one shot at putting Trump away. I can wait. They are doing a good job. I think so, but maybe it's like that little crane.
DIY-HP-LED
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One shot each it would appear, Georgia, NY and the feds on Christ knows how many potential charges, but one kick at the can for the feds. I think Georgia will be the place to watch, if they indict Trump this spring, things could get interesting. He could be found not guilty there, with a Trumper on the jury, but the trial will be on TV and the damage done when they testify against him in court on TV.
Needless to say, whatever the verdict Trump will flip out, seeking revenge no matter what the consequences! Mitch will be right in his crosshairs too as he thrashes around in fear and rage. This going down just before election season in Georgia could doom the entire republican party in 2022 as Trump's people bolt. Margins are close in many places and Donald keeping his hardcore base home, not to mention mass GOP suicide by covid, could make all the difference in the house and senate.