Pollen Chuckers vs. Real breeders

[waterproof808]

JJnyc is a crybaby. He owes royalties to whoever made the dogbud that Joebrand and Pbud sold to chem at the dead show in 91. And whoever made the dogbud owes royalties to whoever smuggled landrace seeds up their ass from some third world country.

 

[xtsho]

There is no legal standing at least in the United States for any claim to rights of any strain other than what's legalized at the federal level which would be hemp. I can take anyone's genetics and do anything I want with them. I can make reproduction seed runs or crosses and do not have to give anyone credit for anything or even acknowledge where the genetics came from.

Anyone can take any strain, make more seeds of it, rename it, and sell it as their own. And as far as I'm concerned anyone paying the prices they charge for these polyhybrid chucks everyone is racing to get out as fast as they can should be able to do anything they want with them including making a profit by selling anything resulting from them.

In all reality there are very few unique and special strains out there. 75% of it is just hyped up pollen chucks. Same crap different name. Hell, many of these outfits are probably the same people as so many use what appears to be the same website template with just a few minor changes here and there. Some even use the same photos.

I don't follow the seed nonsense other to know that it's a joke. People getting ripped off right and left being sold the same seeds from the same bag in different packages with different names. Now there seems to be a lot of people growing auto's that don't auto because someone chucked some pollen on an auto and never worked it to stabilize the trait. It's called Chuck and Sell. When you have people refreshing their screen for hours waiting on some stupid drop so they can spend $250 on some hyped strain it pretty much ensures that you'll have every two bit hustler getting in on the action.

 

[Amos Otis]

Roll a joint grown from the $250 pack of seeds, then tell me you got 5 times more ripped than from a joint of Eso's seeds, for example, or dozens of others which cost 5 times less. For some it's just that simple.

 

[xtsho]

Roll a joint grown from the $250 pack of seeds, then tell me you got 5 times more ripped than from a joint of Eso's seeds, for example, or dozens of others which cost 5 times less. For some it's just that simple.

That's not going to happen because I'll never pay $250 for a pack of seeds and there is no guarantee that some of these $250 packs of seeds are any better than Esos anyway. Lots of hype out there. I don't buy into it.

 

[Amos Otis]

That's not going to happen because I'll never pay $250 for a pack of seeds and there is no guarantee that some of these $250 packs of seeds are any better than Esos anyway. Lots of hype out there. I don't buy into it.

 

[xtsho]

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I wasn't sure which way you were going there in your post. My mistake.

 

[hillbill]

Some “breeders” have enough self awareness to know that they are, in fact, “chuckers”. Breeders select plants from multiple generations they have grown, either developing solid IBLs or great f1s of selected plants they have also grown, or something somewhat like that.

Some breeders also pretty much do not care what happens to plants from seeds they sell. Others may have a range of attitudes. Big Agriculture will be spreading GMO Cannabis hoping to profit of any of their genetic mods which wil, no doubt, be transferred to innocent private gardens.

 

[antonioverde]

Inbreed your favorite lines and hold them.tight before they're gone forever.

 

[Observe & Report]

Inbreed your favorite lines and hold them.tight before they're gone forever.

Don't hold them tight, give them away to anyone who will take them. Make backups.

 

[Bagginski]

Exactly what im getting at some breeders may have made the strain worse by continuesly inbreeding to get "stable" phenos this why i want a breeder with seeds with diverse phenos

therealseedcompany / kwikseeds may have what you’re looking for. Angus is a preservationist, not a chucked or breeder, but his obsession is saving old-line wild stock from ancestral areas. You can do as you like with his seeds, but he does hope you’ll preserve some lines uncrossed.

 

[antonioverde]

Don't hold them tight, give them away to anyone who will take them. Make backups.

One day we will look around and wonder wtf happened and the guy holding the real dope won't be online.

I've no confidence in fellow humans to do the right thing at this point.

 

[mudballs]

One day we will look around and wonder wtf happened and the guy holding the real dope won't be online.

I've no confidence in fellow humans to do the right thing at this point.

there's a line from Star Trek i use when this emotion hits me, and brother it hits often when i see the ugly faces of humanity on this forum...it's a scene with spock
spock:"you must have faith"
Lt.Valeris:"faith?"
spock:"you must have faith that the universe will unfold as it should"

 

[Observe & Report]

One day we will look around and wonder wtf happened and the guy holding the real dope won't be online.

I've no confidence in fellow humans to do the right thing at this point.

You think you can preserve genetics all by yourself better than you could if you also gave them away to anyone who would take them?

 

[mudballs]

You think you can preserve genetics all by yourself better than you could if you also gave them away to anyone who would take them?

....my...precioussss!!!...hisssss!!!

 

[antonioverde]

You think you can preserve genetics all by yourself better than you could if you also gave them away to anyone who would take them?

My original comment was about inbreeding to preserve seed lines and keeping them pure.

How is outcrossing to hell preserving anything?

Twist it however you want lol

 

[Rob Roy]

If you are looking for inexpensive seeds made from decent strains offering some genetic and pheno type diversity you might consider Beanhoarder at Hemp Depot.

I don't know for sure, but I suspect some of his seeds may be a little on the older side, so hopefully they've been stored properly and will retain decent germination. I like the way he describes what to expect in his seed descriptions and have found a few gems over the years that didn't cost much and so far haven't experienced any unusual germination problems.

UPDATE - Recently had some poor germination of some Beanhoarder Stuff. I suspect the seeds are old, almost 4 years older than when I made the recommendation. (above)

I've popped many many seeds, had no problem with germination of other seeds from other breeders when the Beanhoarder germination problem occurred a couple of weeks ago.