antonioverde
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Lol.
Pollen Chuckers vs. Real breeders
SchmoeJoe
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It's ironic that you say that he "doesn't fully grasp what he's typing" and that he's "just regurgitating factoids to sound like he knows what he's talking" about when you claim that an f2 us made by backcrossing when they are two completely different things. Speaking of misinformation.
Vato_504
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Man I know you didn’t compare heisen to CSI? Please tell me I’m tripping. You do know they are actual fem breeders that will run circles around heisen? Salute heisen for what he’s doing but that shit isn’t nothing spectacular. FYI if heisen was testing he wouldn’t have released that purple Mac. Mac1 breeds pure mutants!!!
rollinfunk
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I hear you on that cross, BUT my plants were fire with no nanners from Heisen. Purple Crash and Wedding Night. He mailed me 4 packs of seeds and I didn't even know they were coming. Free testers and he picked them. Any seed maker/breeder should always cull unstable lines (hopefully). I thought he ditched the MAC b/c it was a pain to work with? Maybe I'm thinking of the BBC? I think both of those throw mutants. I have some of his GG4 testers, but I heard there are a lot of nanners on them. I'll give them away with a warning. He doesn't produce those GG4s anymore b/c of the instability so he's doing things right IMO.
BTW, I'm tripping, not sure about you
. I can get Deemsters where I live if you want to visit the afterlife.CSI runs tons of plants so his shit is super solid. I've done humboldt purple snow and great white bubba (I basically killed these plants and couldn't photograph them..too ugly). No nanners on any of his plants. heating pad accident and fried the roots at 100+ degrees (F) so they looked like shit
Also, I've grown some delicious seeds and that shit is fire. They are a solid Spanish fem/reg breeder. Sugar Black Rose was badass and I have a Cheese Candy in veg. (UK Cheese x Lavender). Cheese Candy smells better than my strawberry banana.
So I've had good experiences with CSI, Delicious, Heisen. I have some strayfox, katsu that I haven't popped yet.
Bad Karma
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You’re using the phrase ironic incorrectly. You’re trying to use it to belittle me because you think I’m wrong. The funny part is that you’re trying to use the same uninformed argument as the other guy, but you’re so ill informed that you don’t realize said argument is uninformed, which actually is ironic.
P1 x P2 = F1
P1 or P2 x F1 = F2 BX
F1 x F1 = F2 IBL
Unfortunately there’s more than one way to make F2 lines, and it confuses a lot of people, so don’t feel bad. That’s why annotating whether its a BX or IBL is important. Keep trying though, I’m sure you’ll get it one of these days.
Coalcat
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P1 x p2=f1 i agree
P1 (or P2) x with F1(from the original parents cross)= BX1, BX1 x BX1 = BX2 There is no F2 in bx. BUT i get what you are saying.
That IBL...an IBL is just a high F generation. Whatever it takes to become homogeneous. After a point its IBL. It would be like saying you going to get f2's out of f8's...its just IBL.
F2's are F2's - second filial generation. There technically aren't more than one way to make a F2. Its just something else. However I GET what you are saying and arguing semantics is stupid after a point when everyone knows what is being bred with what. I don't care what people want to call it on a cannabis forum as long as people can follow what is happening. After awhile it gets nutty trying to figure out if i take a bx of this and cross it with this and f2 it...what do i call it. After a point its stupid especially when the gene pool is so muddled already.
However is still stand by my statement F2's will show more variation that F1's and OP wanted the most diverse amount of phenos. I guess someone could come up with an instance where it wouldn't. (i would actually like to see that) But if we are talking the normal typical F2 that is were you are going to see some wierd stuff.
SchmoeJoe
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Assuming all of this is correct then it's equally ironic, or we could just say hypocritical, since you also him of using incomplete information while here you say it's important to use proper annotations regarding bx and ibl f2 lines which you also failed to do.
thenotsoesoteric
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I think the mac was brought back due to demand. I'm all about passing on the mac but you cant deny it sells out fast. People are willing to buy it, for whatever reason?, regardless of the mutant offspring.
BigSco508
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FFS this Copycat clown is from my area this is not good .
Kassiopeija
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hello, the dutch breeder "K.C. Brains" has alot of different phenotypes in his strains. from every 5 seed batch youll get 2 phenotypes reg. he imports various landraces and cross them to earlyflowering dutch indica (*), sometimes even using 2 diff fathers to increase the variance.
Some mention you need a number of plants to get a keeper. His seeds are cheap though, and lots of regs available.
edit:
(*) he also offers some of his genetic background as regs
SnidleyBluntash
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F2 will show more diversity, when f1xf1 , recessive traits will appear.
F1 will all be similar, as all traits will be homozygous dominant or heterozygous
Source: Punette square
F1 will all be similar, as all traits will be homozygous dominant or heterozygous
Source: Punette square
eastcoastled
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That’s just sad that people even fall for this stuff. all the fakes just make the real deal more valuable in the form of sellable flower.
thenotsoesoteric
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If people did any research they wouldn't fall victim to a tiny bud, purple roadkill skunk.
Skunk is known for several reasons and being tiny purple bud ain't one of those reasons, lol.
eastcoastled
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Yep that’s about as cookies as you can get. The best part is someone else responded theirs is the same, so no possibility of it being one in a million. Straight thanking copycat for obviously fake strains......you can’t make that shit up.
Vato_504
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I beg to differ on that statement. They have some breeders that don’t test or post pics of their gear unless a buyer ie WE THE PEOPLE send them pics. Then they have Chuckers ie Gen and a few others on here that grow their gear before even giving it out to testers!! So that goes both ways my brother!!
The guys growing out their own gear from start to finish... b4 shooting them out to testers... thats whats up.. u get the breeder status for that...
Pollen chucking does nothing but transfer pollen and sells u seeds as some hyped F1 .. an example would be Elite Genetics seeds.. super pollen chucker....
I need proof of stability and its nice to know if ur gear is putting out higher M/F ratio....
Pollen chucking does nothing but transfer pollen and sells u seeds as some hyped F1 .. an example would be Elite Genetics seeds.. super pollen chucker....
I need proof of stability and its nice to know if ur gear is putting out higher M/F ratio....
genuity
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If a seed maker can not take the risk to grow his/her own seeds in they rooms,they should not be producing seeds.
LarsVegasNirvana
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The difference between a breeder and a pollen chucker is writing shit down. A breeder knows what traits he's breeding for and breeding against and he writes down exactly how many of each test set have which genes. Then by doing a little math they can figure out if it's dominant or recessive and thus how to breed it in or out of their final product.
The benefits of pollen chuckers are overstated here, because if you want variety you want open pollination, not pollen chucking a single plant's pollen onto a small group of plants. You want a large number of plants pollen on a large number of plants. Preferably a landrace.
The benefits of pollen chuckers are overstated here, because if you want variety you want open pollination, not pollen chucking a single plant's pollen onto a small group of plants. You want a large number of plants pollen on a large number of plants. Preferably a landrace.