QAnon cultists get banned.

[hanimmal]

Continued:

“I’m running against a radical Democrat. A Democrat socialist. He’s an AOC progressive — that really means communist — candidate,” Green said, referring to Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.), “who absolutely loves AOC and Bernie Sanders and Joe Biden, you know, king of the basement dwellers. So, help me beat this Democrat in November. Help me go on to Congress.”

Below the video, her supporters began posting comments.

“WWG1WGA,” one wrote, using QAnon code for “Where we go one, we go all.”

“Gloves are off,” another wrote.

The comments kept coming, and Kevin, trying to calm his nerves, went into a spare bedroom, shut the door, and stayed there long enough that his wife finally texted him from another part of the house to see if he was okay.

“She is calling for a civil war!” he texted back, referring to Greene. “And I am expected to call her out tomorrow!”

He waited for a response. He and his wife had been having marital problems for a while, and the campaign wasn’t making anything better. When she did not write back, he texted again.

“F-----g crazy ass white supremacist terrorist support her. She is radicalizing them and I am supposed to call her out and become her enemy.”

“Omg really,” his wife texted back.

“I am not joking” he texted back.

“Wtf,” she texted.

“I am f-----g breaking down,” he texted back, not that anyone on the campaign team knew any of that was happening.


“Jesus Christ,” Michael said as another day began.

He had just seen Greene’s latest Facebook post, this one showing her in sunglasses and holding an AR-15 rifle next to a photo of three of the four Democratic congresswomen known as “The Squad,” titled “Squad’s Worst Nightmare.”

“We need strong conservative Christians to go on the offense against these socialists who want to rip our country apart,” her post read, and now, as Pelosi was calling on House Republicans to condemn Greene and Rep. Ilhan Omar was calling the post a “violent provocation,” Michael was on a video call with Kevin and the team.

“I have Roll Call, NPR, Politico, CNN, NBC, New York Magazine, Slate, the Hill, Vox, BuzzFeed, not to mention a whole bunch of party people, calling,” Michael said.

The time for rehearsing was over. The angry statement about Greene had to post immediately, he said.

“I haven’t taken a shower,” Kevin said. “I was going to go to the post office and — ”

“Kevin. Take a moment. Breathe. Center yourself,” Michael said.

He took a moment. He breathed. And soon he was changing into the light blue shirt that the team had suggested, and rolling up the sleeves as they had suggested, and balancing his new camera and laptop on his kitchen table, centering his head in the frame of the screen.

“Okay,” Ruth said.

It was Day 24 of the campaign. He took a deep breath.

“Hi. I’m Kevin Van Ausdal,” he began, reading from the script on his laptop.

“All down tones,” Ruth reminded him. “Say it like you’re banging your hand and fist. Aus-dal. Dal is like the fist.”

“Dal,” Kevin said. “I will not stand by — ”

“Do me a favor. Take a deep breath. Put your shoulders back,” Ruth said. “Read it angry. It’s this crazy situation. Read it mad.”

“Hi. I’m Kevin Van Aus-dal. ... Marjorie Taylor Greene does notrepresent us …”

“Again. Mad,” Ruth said.

“Marjorie Taylor Greene is not one of us …” Kevin said.

“Not one of us,” Ruth said.

“Not one of us …” Kevin said. “What’s the psychology behind this?”

“There’s psychology but I don’t have time to explain,” Ruth said. “Okay, go for it.”

“We are watching her use her platform to cheer violence against Democrats,” he continued, then stopped. “Be angry,” he reminded himself.

“Be angry,” Ruth said.

“There is a line. And Marjorie Greene is too far. Go to Kevin Van Ausdal dot com and join our fight for northwest Georgia and for the soul of our nation.” He paused. “Do I emphasize our? Or fight?”

“The thing you have to emphasize is soul,” Ruth said.

“Soul,” said Kevin.

“And you have to give it a little beat,” said Ruth. “So-ul.”

“For the so-ul of our nation,” Kevin said. “Like that?”

“Perfect,” Ruth said. “Remember. You’re angry.”

Kevin took a deep breath and closed his eyes for a moment.

“Hi, I’m Kevin Van Ausdal,” he began, and this time the camera was on and recording a man who appeared increasingly uncomfortable as he tried to hammer the singsong tone out of his voice and say words like “violence” and “civil war” while trying not to think about Greene’s armed supporters.

“One more time,” Ruth said.

Kevin cleared his throat and did it again, his eyes darting to the right as he read the statement. He did it again, and again, and after the fourth attempt they had a version they liked.

“That was great,” Ruth said.

“I think we can put the campaign logo in the corner,” said a new team member who had joined the call, and as they prepared to send the video into the world, Kevin turned off his computer and tried to calm down.

It was a warm and clear night, so he went outside into his yard to meditate, but all he could think about was how close politics was coming to violence. He thought about the time in 2018 when pipe bombs were mailed to former president Barack Obama and other Democrats by a man whose van was plastered with stickers of Trump, one of which read “KILL YOUR ENEMY.” He wondered if he was becoming the enemy.

Not that anyone on the campaign team knew any of that was happening, either.

Two days later, as the video was sailing around the Internet, Kevin put on his only suit and headed for a rare in-person event, a drive-in service at an African American church.

“Hi. I’m Kevin Van Ausdal,” he said through his mask into the window of a car, his tone reverting back to the Kevin of the drum-and-fife video. “I want to be your next congressman. I’m running against Marjorie Taylor Greene?”

“Well, we’re going to need you,” said the man inside. “We don’t need those radicals.”

“Hi, I’m Kevin …” he said through the window of the next car.

“Kevin Van Ausdal. That’s you?” said the woman inside. “I don’t even have to tell you how important this election is. What are you planning to do?”

“Well, we need opportunities in this country. I’m working to address health care, and green jobs …” he said, trying for a moment to be the candidate he wanted to be.



Day 27: “Hi, I’m Morgan. I’m your new assistant,” said the young man with the iPad who met Kevin in the parking lot of a Men’s Wearhouse. Ruth had booked him an appointment. “I’ll be following you the rest of the campaign.”

They raised their face masks and went inside, where a clerk ushered Kevin to a table laid out with navy blue, gray and plaid outfits, which Morgan began photographing to send to Ruth for approval.

“We’re going to make you look like a congressman,” the clerk said.

Morgan cracked his knuckles.

“Slip these on,” the clerk said, handing Kevin a light blue button-down and a blue blazer.

He put on the button-down over his T-shirt, and the blazer over that, and stood in his shorts and white socks on the box in front of the mirror. He looked at himself. He smoothed the front of the shirt. He turned to the side. He was losing weight from stress.

“Is it out of your comfort zone?” the clerk asked.

It was, he wanted to say. All of what politics had become in America was out of his comfort zone — the lack of substance, the conspiracies, and especially the anger, which he nonetheless realized was working. Donations were skyrocketing. Hollywood actors were following him. And the team’s internal polling was showing that he had momentum — every time Greene posted some new statement, she got more followers, and every time Kevin answered, more people rallied to his campaign, a dynamic of ever-escalating outrage.

“You will have to be more aggressive than this! She is running on pure crazy!” a woman wrote on his Facebook page.

“Kevin, please stop this insane woman who only wants to spread hate and division!” someone else wrote.

“WE MUST STOP THIS CRAZY PERSON MARJORIE GREENE!!!!!!!”

There were other comments, too, ones that the team tried to remove before Kevin could see them, but he did see them or hear about them, such as one that read “the only good Democrat is a dead Democrat” and one that read “I bet if I put a gun to his face he’d cry like a baby.”

Now Morgan was showing him two more red ties.

“The bright red will show up better in photos,” Morgan said.

“Okay,” Kevin said.

The clerk rang up the power tie, the blue suit, a blazer and five shirts, and Kevin went home, where he and his wife got into an argument. They had been arguing a lot, but this time it kept degenerating until his wife said she wanted a divorce. Kevin said she could not possibly understand the stress he was under. He asked if she could wait until after the election, but she said no, she was done, and they kept on arguing until Kevin punched a wall hard enough that he broke the paneling.

Long (but good) Story... Continues.

 

[hanimmal]

Concluded.

Day 28: Kevin was on the phone with Ruth trying to process everything when there was a knock at the door. It was a sheriff’s deputy. He was there to serve Kevin a petition for divorce, which included his wife’s description of a troubled marriage brought under increasing pressure from a man falling apart, as well as an order she had obtained requiring that he leave the house immediately.

Day 29: The team tried to figure out what to do. Kevin was in a hotel, effectively homeless. He had no money to pay for an extended hotel stay or an apartment, and federal rules prevented using campaign funds for housing.

Day 30: Political strategy took over as the team decided that if Kevin left Georgia and moved in with his parents in Indiana, he might be disqualified, which was the only hope the party had of naming a replacement so close to Election Day, and so Michael told Kevin what he already knew: “This is beyond you.”

“People are looking for somebody to stand against Marjorie,” he said. “I’ve seen it where moments like this become a rallying cry.”

Then it was the next day, and Kevin was in his Honda heading west to Indiana as the campaign staff issued a statement on his behalf, titled “A Message from Kevin”:

“I am heartbroken to announce that for family and personal reasons, I cannot continue this race for Congress. The next steps in my life are taking me away from Georgia …”

And that was the end of 31 days.



A week later, Marjorie Taylor Greene was arriving in her Humvee for a pro-gun rally at a rural amphitheater not far from where Kevin once lived.

Alongside county sheriff’s deputies, the Georgia III% Martyrs provided security: a dozen or so men and a few women equipped with AR-15s, earpieces, camouflage and bulletproof vests. One man had a battle ax dangling from his belt. They fanned out around the fenced perimeter of the park while a hundred or so Greene supporters milled around, a few wearing little patches that read “WWG1WGA” or “Q Army” and others who said they didn’t know or care about QAnon but just knew that Greene “shares our values.”

“Marjorie was all there for us, one hundred percent,” said Ray Blankenship, who had in August started a new gun group called the Catoosa County Civil Defense League to guard against everything he believed Democrats stood for, including gun confiscation, rioting and socialism. “People will step up when it’s time,” he said.

Onstage, a guest speaker was talking about “a time when you will be asked to shed another man’s blood because he is a threat to your very way of life.” Another talked about “the communist Democrats.” Another said that vice-presidential candidate Kamala D. Harris “wants to come to your house and take your guns away.” Another began his speech by yelling into the microphone, “FREEDOM!!!!” and out in the audience, a man wearing a hat with a “Q Army” patch was listening.

“I think people are waking up,” said the man, Butch Lapp.

“The silent majority is silent no more,” said his wife, Rebecca, and now the Martyrs were radioing each other for “backup,” and forming a protective huddle around Greene as she made her way to the stage with no opposition anywhere in sight.

“I am so proud and so excited to represent northwest Georgia!” she began.

And meanwhile, Kevin had arrived at his parents’ house outside Gary, Ind., where he was sleeping in his old bedroom in the basement, scrolling through his Facebook page as news spread that his campaign was over.

“Nooooo!!!” someone wrote.

“WTF?!?” someone else wrote.

“Wow dude you just F---D your state,” another person wrote.

“You’re a loser, a disgrace!!”

“Coward.”

There were other comments thanking him for his bravery, but after a while, he stopped scrolling. He stopped reading Facebook. He stopped reading Twitter. He started taking long walks around his old neighborhood, going step by step through the progression of all that had happened.

“I wanted to be the voice of reason against fear. I wanted to draw attention to big issues in the district,” he said during a walk one afternoon, thinking back to the beginning.

“My opponent, unfortunately, embraced QAnon beliefs. I saw her disgusting comments. I thought, ‘She is basically talking like a terrorist,’ ” Kevin said.

“When I had to do that statement, I was scared,” he said. “I’m being told I need to make a direct attack on groups who respond to people with violence. Who glorify violence.”


“My staff had monitored backchannels and seen where Q people were making threats, and we talked about what to do about death threats,” he said.

“I felt out of control. I had no control. I felt unreal. I didn’t know what to do with myself in the quiet. I felt uneasy. I felt I was on the rails and floating through,” he said.

“I was breaking down,” he said. “I was just broken.”

But now all of that was over, and he was walking down a street in Indiana describing the person he had become in the fall of 2020.

“I’ve not really been eating. I’ve been sleeping a lot. Avoiding news. I blocked anyone talking ill about me. One or two said they want to punch me in the face,” Kevin said.

“I’m worried the political situation is not going to get better. I worry we may not be able to turn it around. I knew Trump was a fascist, and I knew he was going to destroy this country, but I didn’t know how much. And Marjorie’s only going to make it worse.”

He started to go on, but he was feeling his anger rising and he stopped.

“I’m trying to stay away from it,” Kevin said.

He kept walking, trying to clear his mind, remembering how he felt when all of this began, when he was walking into the state capital building full of optimism about what American democracy could be.

“It was spectacular,” he said.

 

[hanimmal]

They are talking about the Q anon nut from Georgia and on MSNBC the anchor said some bullshit about her race being won by and looking off camera, because he screwed up.

She ran against this guy who dropped out of the race when his little grassroots overreach in life, running for a local congressional seat, got way to hot with the gun nuts he realized would be out to get him. It is a pretty crazy story. But this guy should be made famous now. His life got kicked in the balls. But shit, I still be on who ever's couch he was watching the Jan 6th riotsI bet he still doesn't regret bailing out of that well in advance.

https://www.rollitup.org/t/qanon-cultists-get-banned.1024974/post-15874607

https://ballotpedia.org/Kevin_Van_Ausdal


https://ballotpedia.org/John_Cowan


Her Republican primary competition was literally a neurosurgeon who happens to also have started his own company.

 

[hanimmal]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2021/06/03/trump-facebook-oversight-board/

Facebook plans to announce Friday that it will no longer automatically give politicians a pass when they break the company’s hate speech rules, a major reversal after years of criticism that it was too deferential to powerful figures during the Trump presidency.

Since the 2016 election, the company has applied a test to political speech that weighs the newsworthiness of the content against its propensity to cause harm. Now the company will throw out the first part of the test and will no longer consider newsworthiness as a factor, according to a person familiar with the company’s thinking who spoke on the condition of anonymity because that person was not authorized to speak publicly.

But Facebook doesn’t plan to end the newsworthiness exception entirely. In the cases where an exception is made, the company will now disclose it publicly, the person said — after years of such decisions being closely held. And it will also become more transparent about its strikes system for people who violate its rules.

The moves, first reported by the Verge, are part of a set of responses to the Facebook Oversight Board’s recommendations. The largely independent Facebook-funded body recently ruled on whether the social network should reinstate former president Donald Trump’s account on its service. The company’s responses are the first major test of how a nongovernment watchdog might act as a check on the powerful social network, which is used by 3.45 billion people globally on a monthly basis.

Facebook spokesman Jeff Gelman declined to comment.

Trump has been suspended from the platform since Jan. 6, when the company determined that his posts incited violence during the Capitol insurrection. But soon after, Facebook turned its decision — which it said would be enforced indefinitely — over to the Oversight Board to decide whether the company made the right call.

After four months of deliberations, the Oversight Board unexpectedly kicked the Trump decision back to the social network, giving it six months to decide whether to ban Trump permanently or reinstate him. It also recommended that the company publish a report about its role in the Jan. 6 riot and make changes to its newsworthiness exception. The company has committed to responding to the board’s recommendations within 30 days.

The Oversight Board ruled that Facebook was right to suspend Trump in the moment. But it said that Facebook had not provided a better rationale for the indefinite suspension, noting that indefinite suspensions are not part of Facebook’s policies. That rationale needed to be clear and transparent, the board said.

Publicly, Facebook executives have deflected blame for the events at the Capitol onto other companies. The Washington Post and others have reported that rioters used Facebook to help organize.

The Post reported last year that the newsworthiness exemption was first created in response to Trump’s inflammatory remarks about Muslims during his candidacy. Since then, the company has maintained that it rarely used the exception and has only acknowledged using it six times. Those incidents were all outside the United States, and include political speech in Hungary, Vietnam and Italy.

How Facebook wrote its rules for Trump

In practice, however, Facebook has appeared to give politicians and political leaders a pass in many more instances. In 2019, CEO Mark Zuckerberg said the company would not apply its fact-checking to political ads, for example.

And throughout his presidency, Trump repeatedly flooded the platform with misinformation. He promoted baseless claims of voter fraud and repeatedly stated without evidence that the 2020 election was stolen.

Facebook chose to append a generic label to most of that content rather than ban it.

Even more so than the newsworthiness exception, the strikes system is another opaque area of Facebook’s policies and practices. Users can be censored or demoted after a certain number of strikes for breaking rules.
But the company has said it does not want to share its policing strategies for fear that it will enable loopholes.

The result was what was criticized as an arbitrary system, however. People whose content was removed often did not know what rule they had broken, and seemingly routine violators sometimes appeared to be treated with kid gloves.

Facebook’s response to the Oversight Board is being watched as a key test for the possibility of self-regulation by powerful social media companies. Facebook and other Silicon Valley giants are facing a wave of potential new regulation over issues such as privacy and algorithmic transparency all over the world, as well as a major antitrust lawsuit in the United States.

If the Facebook-created board is viewed as a legitimate check on the company’s power, experts have said it could become a model for countries looking at ways to regulate how social media companies police content on their platforms, or for other companies in a similar position. But it also could make the need for regulation seem less urgent because a solution already exists, they said.

Facebook’s Sandberg deflected blame for Capitol riot, but new evidence shows how platform played role

In 2018, Zuckerberg — under immense political pressure over the company’s content moderation practices — presented the idea for an independent body that would oversee controversial decisions made by the social network. The idea was to put a check on the social network’s power, which was being roundly criticized by government officials, academics and the public over allowing the spread of Russian disinformation, inflammatory political discourse and hate speech.

Facebook funded the Oversight Board through an independent trust and selects its members but has given it the power to make binding decisions on content that the board determines has been wrongly removed or kept up. The 20-member board also can issue voluntary policy recommendations. Members include a Nobel laureate, free-speech experts, and a former Danish prime minister.

Trump also has been suspended indefinitely from YouTube, the gaming platform Twitch, Snapchat and other platforms, and has been banned from Twitter over the same set of comments from Jan. 6.

Trump built one of the world’s most powerful and passionate online audiences during his tenure as president.
But researchers have shown that he has not been able to garner the same level of online attention since he was take off mainstream platforms. He recently turned to using his own website to put out statements, but his team shut it down this week.

 

[hanimmal]

 

[hanimmal]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/08/21/patagonia-boycott-wyoming-resort-greene/

Patagonia will no longer sell its merchandise at a popular Wyoming ski resort after one of the owners hosted a fundraiser featuring Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene and other Republicans supportive of former president Donald Trump.

Patagonia confirmed this week that it was pulling out of three stores operated by Jackson Hole Mountain Resort, its largest single customer in the area. The outdoor gear and clothing company acknowledged that the move came after Jay Kemmerer, a co-owner of the facility, co-hosted an Aug. 5 fundraiser for the House Freedom Caucus, a bloc of conservative Congress members who have allied themselves closely with Trump.

The event at Spring Creek Ranch to benefit the House Freedom Fund, the fundraising branch of the caucus, with a minimum admission cost of $2,000 a couple, featured Greene (Ga.), Rep. Jim Jordan (R-Ohio) and former White House chief of staff Mark Meadows.

The news was first reported by media outlet WyoFile.

The company, which has championed liberal causes and environmentalism, suggested that the fundraiser linked to the Jackson Hole resort did not align with its values. Greene, Jordan and Meadows have supported Trump’s false claims of election fraud and faced criticism for their records on environmental issues. Some area residents protested the event and called for a boycott of the resort, which is among the most popular spots in one of the most Republican states.

“Those that know us in Jackson Hole are aware that we make business decisions and build relationships in alignment with our values and advocacy efforts,” Patagonia spokeswoman Corley Kenna said in a statement to The Washington Post. “We join with the local community that is using its voice in protest. We will continue to use our business to advocate for policies to protect our planet, support thriving communities and a strong democracy.”

Patagonia said it would reconsider the withdrawal from the resort if the owners committed to “protecting the planet.”

Representatives for Greene, Jordan and Meadows did not immediately return requests for comment early Saturday. A resort spokesman did not immediately return a request for comment, and attempts to reach Kemmerer were unsuccessful. Mary Kate Buckley, president of Jackson Hole Mountain Resort, said in a statement to WyoFile that the resort would “continue to offer world-class brands across our retail locations with the aim to provide the best service and product assortment for our guests.”

“We have been a leader in the ski industry in adopting initiatives to reduce our energy consumption, recycle the consumables used by our employees and guests, and treat the spectacular natural habitat which surrounds us with vision and care,” Buckley said.

The statement made no mention of the GOP fundraiser.

Kemmerer and his wife, Karen, have been donors to Republican candidates, reported the Jackson Hole News and Guide, contributing $200,000 to Trump’s reelection campaign in recent years. Records show that since February they’ve donated more than $100,000 to conservative political action committees and candidates such as Rep. Elise Stefanik (N.Y.), who replaced Rep. Liz Cheney (Wyo.), a vocal Trump critic, as chair of the House Republican conference.

Dan Brophy, who co-hosted the fundraiser with the Kemmerers, told the News and Guide that they supported Greene and other members of the House Freedom Caucus because they were “principled and carry through with their campaign promises.”

“We walked away from Republicans who campaigned on platforms we supported then voted against those platforms immediately on entering office,” Brophy told the newspaper.

The invitation to Greene came days after the Georgia congresswoman was among a group of right-wing Republicans who showed up at a D.C. jaildemanding to inspect the treatment of those detained in connection with the Jan. 6 Capitol breach, whom some Trump supporters have cast as martyrs. Days after the fundraiser, Greene was again suspended from Twitter after she falsely claimed in a tweet that coronavirus vaccines are failing.

Marjorie Taylor Greene suspended from Twitter for a week over misleading comments on coronavirus vaccines

Located near the town of Jackson in Teton Village, the resort — which, according to its website has averaged 459 inches of snow a year in the past five skiing seasons — is located in one of just two Wyoming counties that preferred President Biden over Trump in last year’s election. Trump easily won the state, with 70 percent of the vote.

The move, which was the top trending topic on Twitter on Saturday morning, was celebrated over the weekend by Democratic lawmakers such as Rep. Steve Cohen (Tenn.), who said he was “going to buy a Patagonia jacket this Fall.” Mary L. Trump, the former president’s niece and a vocal critic, also applauded the company: “Way to walk the walk, Patagonia.”

When residents got word of the GOP fundraiser, protesters gathered near the resort and held signs that read, “Hey JHMR, your Green(e) washing is showing” and “JHMR passes fund treason?” Among the protesters was Marisa Sullivan, 35, who told the News and Guide she has stopped buying passes to the resort because of “the things that they support.”

“If you’re going to give people that kind of money, I don’t want it to be going to things like this,” she said.
“This is ridiculous to me.”

Jorge Colon, a 73-year-old protester who has worked ski jobs in the area for decades, told WyoFile that he hoped to trade in a seasonal pass he had already bought.

“It’s just a shame that it’s gotten to this point,” Colon said. “I know they supply a lot of people with work, but to be backing up that group … is pretty embarrassing.”

 

[schuylaar]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/08/21/patagonia-boycott-wyoming-resort-greene/View attachment 4969630

good

and this is how we take back America- BOYCOTT!

this is the way America changed in the 60s during Civil Rights- for the first time televising individual black people being beaten in the streets by individual or mob whites?

putting it upon everyone (and now Corporate America) by bringing it into their living rooms while waiting for Walter Cronkite and live smoking on TV.

the GQP is cutting into America getting back to business, by keeping this ruse going- Corporate America is no longer amused; making a statement or we'll never get back.

others will follow guaranteed.

 

[mooray]

The country was a better place before businesses thought it was a good idea to apply filters to the customers and suppliers by injecting their personal opinions into the mix, but a) it's their right to do so, b) it's the right of customers/suppliers to respond, and c) one of my favorite quote variant from a buddy, "when someone wants to show you who they are, let them".

 

[hanimmal]

The country was a better place before businesses thought it was a good idea to apply filters to the customers and suppliers by injecting their personal opinions into the mix, but a) it's their right to do so, b) it's the right of customers/suppliers to respond, and c) one of my favorite quote variant from a buddy, "when someone wants to show you who they are, let them".

When was this time before?

 

[Herb & Suds]

When was this time before?

View attachment 4969717

There you go
saying the quiet part out loud again

 

[mooray]

When was this time before?

View attachment 4969717

Before 2016. You really don't know what I'm talking about, how people felt less entitled to spread their nonsense than they do today?

 

[schuylaar]

The country was a better place before businesses thought it was a good idea to apply filters to the customers and suppliers by injecting their personal opinions into the mix, but a) it's their right to do so, b) it's the right of customers/suppliers to respond, and c) one of my favorite quote variant from a buddy, "when someone wants to show you who they are, let them".

i think it comes down to math.

Trumpers don't buy Patagonia, the 70% do as well as spend the money to go to a lodge, lift tickets and ski shop.

Basically, Patagonia issued sanctions to that owner.

 

[mooray]

i think it comes down to math.

Trumpers don't buy Patagonia, the 70% do as well as spend the money to go to a lodge, lift tickets and ski shop.

Basically, Patagonia issued sanctions to that owner.

Oh I'm happy with the sanctions. My point is that there's no conflict if people keep their dumb ideas to themselves. Everyone has at least one weird thought and I think things were better before people felt the need to express them, because expressing all your weird thoughts as a business owner forces everyone that interacts with you to take some sort of position on it, some of which could have negative results for them. Flat earthers wouldn't even exist as an organization if people didn't feel so entitled to spread their nonsense. Go ahead and believe it's flat, everyone has a right to be kooky in their own mind, but for god's sake...keep it to yourself.

 

[schuylaar]

Oh I'm happy with the sanctions. My point is that there's no conflict if people keep their dumb ideas to themselves. Everyone has at least one weird thought and I think things were better before people felt the need to express them, because expressing all your weird thoughts as a business owner forces everyone that interacts with you to take some sort of position on it, some of which could have negative results for them. Flat earthers wouldn't even exist as an organization if people didn't feel so entitled to spread their nonsense. Go ahead and believe it's flat, everyone has a right to be kooky in their own mind, but for god's sake...keep it to yourself.

the point is to not let the Hemmerers (heil hilter) spend more money supporting Trump. Trump's not running again but he has a PAC to make people think he might run again so donate.

Patagonia is a PRIVATE company and can sell to who they wish- and don't.

Jackson Hole Ski store is going to be empty and you know, guests don't like that..then when they find out why? i expect a few early checkouts and some cancellations.

 

[mooray]

I must not be conveying myself very well, because your reply sounds as if you think I don't understand the situation. I'll be as concise as possible and just say...the owners of Jackson Hole Mountain Resort are stupid.

 

[hanimmal]

Before 2016. You really don't know what I'm talking about, how people felt less entitled to spread their nonsense than they do today?

I see what you are saying, defiantly I agree that the post-online attack climate of entitlement is far more than I have seen it in my 40+ years on this planet.

I believe that this is because these people are all being radicalized and have convinced themselves that all the 'people' that are emboldening their worst tendencies are not just sock puppet trolls yanking on their data driven strings.

Things that people would not have ever said in public 20 years ago, just spews out of people because they have normalized it by viewing the spammed content online/hate radio/hate mongers on TV/etc. And now just think it is cool.

I must not be conveying myself very well, because your reply sounds as if you think I don't understand the situation. I'll be as concise as possible and just say...the owners of Jackson Hole Mountain Resort are stupid.

That is a lot about what sucks about communicating online, so much of the communication we do as a species gets erased and things are so easily read wrong.

That is why I always try to remember this video. We easily trick ourselves into seeing what is not true.

 

[RobCat]

Im not a conservative but ive barely met any that even knew what Qanon was until the elections, which just tells me its more of a political stunt. And why arent the Liberals talking about their own silly conspiracy? The Illuminati?? Or The Jewish Conspiracy?? Or The Jewish Illuminati?? I remember going to college in Austin TX and working at a coffeehouse. Its all some of those wealthy degenerates would sit around talking about while everyone else worked, besides gentrification, which they were the ones causing unironically. "The Illuminati controls the banks" "The medias been hijacked by Bush and the Illuminati" "Stare into the eye of this dollar bill brother". Yeah the Dems definitely dont have as many religious fanatics in their ranks but they certainly dont have much room to target republicans for conspiracies. They've concocted so many azz backwards theories of their own its unreal

 

[CatHedral]

The country was a better place before businesses thought it was a good idea to apply filters to the customers and suppliers by injecting their personal opinions into the mix, but a) it's their right to do so, b) it's the right of customers/suppliers to respond, and c) one of my favorite quote variant from a buddy, "when someone wants to show you who they are, let them".

I have read this post 5x as well as the response chain. I still do not know what you are saying. Would you break it down for me?

emphasis on the emphasized.

 

[CatHedral]

Im not a conservative but ive barely met any that even knew what Qanon was until the elections, which just tells me its more of a political stunt. And why arent the Liberals talking about their own silly conspiracy? The Illuminati?? Or The Jewish Conspiracy?? Or The Jewish Illuminati?? I remember going to college in Austin TX and working at a coffeehouse. Its all some of those wealthy degenerates would sit around talking about while everyone else worked, besides gentrification, which they were the ones causing unironically. "The Illuminati controls the banks" "The medias been hijacked by Bush and the Illuminati" "Stare into the eye of this dollar bill brother". Yeah the Dems definitely dont have as many religious fanatics in their ranks but they certainly dont have much room to target republicans for conspiracies. They've concocted so many azz backwards theories of their own its unreal

The conspiracies you mentioned are a wholly owned division of World Fascism, LLP. Not a social democrat in sight.

I reject your whataboutism. Fail troll is fail.

 

[mooray]

I see what you are saying, defiantly I agree that the post-online attack climate of entitlement is far more than I have seen it in my 40+ years on this planet.

I believe that this is because these people are all being radicalized and have convinced themselves that all the 'people' that are emboldening their worst tendencies are not just sock puppet trolls yanking on their data driven strings.

Things that people would not have ever said in public 20 years ago, just spews out of people because they have normalized it by viewing the spammed content online/hate radio/hate mongers on TV/etc. And now just think it is cool.

That is a lot about what sucks about communicating online, so much of the communication we do as a species gets erased and things are so easily read wrong.

That is why I always try to remember this video. We easily trick ourselves into seeing what is not true.

Word.

And I generally avoid harping on the internet, because I think it's just a mirror, but there's a closed loop feedback reward aspect which has become widespread. For example, when I first logon here, I check my notifications, and likes are cool, but I really like it when I see a quote, because I enjoy the engagement. Which I guess isn't so bad, but many people get the same reward from the negative side. Like anything else in pop-culture, it *should* have a lifespan, where the bar keeps getting raised until people eventually get bored.