hanimmal
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Besty DeVos brother must have asked really nicely for his mass murderers to be released.
Trump's pardons, what it means for them
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DIY-HP-LED
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One of them looks and acted like a psycho, he will kill again, Americans this time. The guy who started shooting and would only stop at gun point.
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DIY-HP-LED
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If Donald pardons everybody around him and his own pardon is struck down, Donald will be left holding the bag and be the sucker and loser. Not to worry the house can invite them all in for a little session in the hot seat and if they don't spill their guts completely and instantly, try them in the full house for contempt and sentence them to 10 years using inherent powers. If they lie under oath, indict them for lying to congress in the courts and hold them in the congressional dungeon (dig down deeper and make room) until their trail, then after they are done with their sentences try them in the full house for contempt and give them 10 years (max sentence they can impose), double jeopardy or presidential pardons don't apply for house trials.
You'll have a complete public record of events (most important thing) and be able to put some of them away for contempt of congress at least, every one after the first ones are sentenced will squeal like pigs. There might be others who didn't get a pardon who can be nailed too.
I didn't think Donald would pardon Manafort or Stone, so his family must be next. Obviously it will hurt Mitch and the republicans in Georgia, but probably not by much, these people are moral failures after all, and they've had 4 years of Trump and still voted for him. He's not signing anything he vetoed the Military bill, so back to congress and he will run out the clock on this covid relief and government funding bill. After Jan 6th if Nancy had a chat with Mitch they could impeach Donald in an hour, especially if Mitch lost his senate majority...
The government will be shut down in the middle of a multiple national crises and the president deserted his post. Donald is gonna fuck Mitch as hard as he can and Mitch is the kinda guy to fuck him right back, Nancy would be no obstacle and she would have articles written and passed inside an hour. Mitch has nothing to lose and won't be running again in 6 years anyway and Donald is gonna fuck the GOP senate anyway so why not put him away ASAP and humiliate him. They are screwed with his base anyway they just lost 20 to 30% of their base at least.
If Mitch loses his majority over Donald, he might find himself suddenly out of a job as he's about to sign the family pardons and before he even gets to pardon himself.
DIY-HP-LED
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Donald can also be hauled before the house on Jan 22 and put in the hot seat, he won't get out of the place, the sergeant at arms would have him in custody for contempt of congress or lying to congress and they can hold him in the congressional jail until the DOJ wants to try him as individual #1
I think the democrats would like to see Donald running around for a spell, destroying the republican party and making lots of video footage that can be used in 2022 against the GOP. The government has options, especially civil ones and can sue Donald, Jared and Ivanka provided they have any money left. I expect Manafort to leave the country ASAP for Russia, if he has any money left, Stone better make himself scarce too, before they have a date with the house hot seat.
DIY-HP-LED
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Yep, they gave life to the Frankenstein monster and now that monster is gonna destroy them, but I really wonder by how much? His supporters are racists more than Trumpers, Trump may leave, but their racism remains and they do control the republican party, it is their home and they have turned it into a nuthouse, Trump is no longer required to sustain the crazy. Donald does have his cult of personality though and it might make some of them pissed off at the republican establishment to stay home. Let's hope the Trump cult stays home in Georgia, win that and Mitch might be so pissed he will impeach Donald in an hour. Pence can handle it from Jan 6th to the 20th and hand off to Joe after cooperating on the transition.
I think Pence is Mitch's man, his insurance policy if you will, I don't thing he will pardon Trump either, but ya never know with these snakes. It is amusing to see them squirm and try to figure out what's next.
DIY-HP-LED
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I think Donald and his self pardon are gonna be in the house hot seat the day after he leaves office for some answers, as they take the self pardon at face value while the DOJ challenges it with individual #1, they have to, they cannot let it stand unchallenged. Jesus Christ, over half the country wants to see Trump burned at the stake on the fucking WH lawn and thousands of DOJ alumni will petition the AG.
There are lots of ways to punish Donald and those he pardoned and many of the pardons of associates can be challenged. This bunch of assholes will be collectively responsible for over a half million dead American citizens and I don't think Joe or the new AG are gonna forget that. This won't be a forget it and move on situation, if they win the senate all Hell will break loose and the Trump crowd will have a very powerful monster on their asses in addition to the house and the DOJ.
First they appear before a grand jury and their pardons are treated at face value, then when they later use those pardons against them or they perjure themselves. Next they indict them and seek to strike their pardons down as corrupt, for those who provided something of value to Trump that should not be hard, you cannot sell a pardon and trading one for obstructing justice is the same thing. The limits of the pardon power have yet to be tested and Donald has no friends on the SCOTUS, even among those he appointed.
Jimdamick
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Did anyone else ever ingest a hallucinogen, such as LSD/Peyote/Schrooms and have a bad trip, like sitting down or laying on your back for hours, telling yourself over & over, again & again that it's just an illusion, it's the fucking drug, it's not real, relax, it will go away.
I've felt like that for the last four fucking years & especially during the last one, that I simply ate some bad acid, that this couldn't be a reality, that Donald J Trump couldn't possibly be the most powerful man on the planet Earth.
Who knows, maybe I am actually just tripping out & this is just a bummer & tomorrow I'll come down & wake up & all it will have been is just a dream.
Wouldn't that be nice?
Turn it up
I've felt like that for the last four fucking years & especially during the last one, that I simply ate some bad acid, that this couldn't be a reality, that Donald J Trump couldn't possibly be the most powerful man on the planet Earth.
Who knows, maybe I am actually just tripping out & this is just a bummer & tomorrow I'll come down & wake up & all it will have been is just a dream.
Wouldn't that be nice?
Turn it up
MICHI-CAN
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Honestly ashamed to admit I have personally met both and numerous names in the family or circle as a contractor/laborer. Still feel the emotions of contempt and revulsion with other emotions I shall not give in to.
These are not people as we logically or culturally understand such to be. Wealth and power are the doctrine of their faith. Honest religion. Wealth and power determine divinity.
Understand your foes. Look into their eyes face to face. You then will only begin know what frump is doing. And how you are not equal and can never be by following the mass hypnotism of media's incessant indoctrination of desired beliefs.
WAKE UP!!
DIY-HP-LED
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I think Donald will be writing post presidency pardons too and claiming they were written before he left office. If any one produced an un announced pardon after he leaves office they must prove it was issued while he was in office. If Donald were to be suddenly removed from office before he could pardon his family or himself, he would do it after he was out and claim he did it while still in office.
I think the pardons of some criminal associates and family members will be challenged as corrupt pardons. Those who refused to cooperate in exchange for a pardon gave something of value, their silence. Perhaps any pardon that didn't go through the established DOJ process could be struck down by the SCOTUS.
Can a corporation be pardoned? They are persons under the law. So if Trump pardoned the Trump Org and it's officers for all crimes including federal tax crimes would it stand? If Donald's company owed billions in taxes would the bill be wiped away with the crime?
I think we might find out in the new year as Donald tests the very limits of the pardon power. Indicting Jared as part of a conspiracy to commit mass murder of American citizens along with Donald might be an excellent way to frame the issue. He can get off the hook for 400,000 American dead in an act of genocide and run to Israel for protection from extradition...
I think the pardons of some criminal associates and family members will be challenged as corrupt pardons. Those who refused to cooperate in exchange for a pardon gave something of value, their silence. Perhaps any pardon that didn't go through the established DOJ process could be struck down by the SCOTUS.
Can a corporation be pardoned? They are persons under the law. So if Trump pardoned the Trump Org and it's officers for all crimes including federal tax crimes would it stand? If Donald's company owed billions in taxes would the bill be wiped away with the crime?
I think we might find out in the new year as Donald tests the very limits of the pardon power. Indicting Jared as part of a conspiracy to commit mass murder of American citizens along with Donald might be an excellent way to frame the issue. He can get off the hook for 400,000 American dead in an act of genocide and run to Israel for protection from extradition...
doesn't he know this? + ACB SCOTUS wouldn't pledge on Roe so why should he worry about what the future may or may not hold as the AG is supposed to be Apolitical
for what and how long?
DIY-HP-LED
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Why Stone, Manafort, Flynn Could Be Given Grand Jury Subpoenas In Future
Mueller prosecutor Andrew Weissmann weighs in on Trump's pardoning of Roger Stone, Paul Manafort and Charles Kushner, saying that Stone, Manafort and Michael Flynn could be subpoenaed in the future and cannot be pardoned for future crimes.
Mueller prosecutor Andrew Weissmann weighs in on Trump's pardoning of Roger Stone, Paul Manafort and Charles Kushner, saying that Stone, Manafort and Michael Flynn could be subpoenaed in the future and cannot be pardoned for future crimes.
DIY-HP-LED
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‘As Corrupt As A Pardon Gets’: Chris Hayes On Trump Pardoning Manafort, Stone
"This is as fundamentally corrupt as a pardon gets," says Chris Hayes on Pres. Trump pardoning Paul Manafort, his 2016 campaign chairman, and Roger Stone, his longtime associate.
"This is as fundamentally corrupt as a pardon gets," says Chris Hayes on Pres. Trump pardoning Paul Manafort, his 2016 campaign chairman, and Roger Stone, his longtime associate.
DIY-HP-LED
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The base won't mind any of this, not many of the 72 million Trump voters will care much about this or even starving themselves. They will whine and bitch about big government and socialism while they que up in the breadlines on Christmas eve, along with the brown folks they hate and fear. Not just Donald though, Mitch can serve the rich too and fuck them as much as he wants, better the wealthy keep the 8 trillion in tax cuts, than the brown folks get some too, that would be SOCIALISM!
Hey don't forget Jesus, they have for the last four years, but they will suddenly find Jesus again too, and will be waving the American flag around like the "patriots" they are. The "Christian" base will also be very concerned with YOUR morals, because they are "Christians" and special people to God. Why they are already "saved" and if you are saved, you must be righteous and special too. They will be most concerned with the deficit and big government spending, count on it. The people can starve, but the wealthy and corporations need more tax breaks to help the economy to recover of course. Give the wealthy the welfare and it will trickle down to the peasants, any lie will do and this one has been useful for a long time.
You can abuse racist suckers any way you want and feed them any lie no matter how absurd, they want to believe and will seek out the lies, ignoring the truth around them and in their faces. They will even deny the truth when it is shoved down their throats along with a foot long plastic tube, as they are intubated by some minority person who they hate. Many die with Trump's lies as their last words, it's not happening and it's not real, it must be something else, it's a hoax, I just got the Kung Flu. Then there are the nice people you know, work with and are related to, who voted for Trump the last time, many even wear masks. So who is worse? The ones who believed it was a hoax and voted for Trump, or those who knew better and voted for him anyway?
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‘As Corrupt As A Pardon Gets’: Chris Hayes On Trump Pardoning Manafort, Stone
"This is as fundamentally corrupt as a pardon gets," says Chris Hayes on Pres. Trump pardoning Paul Manafort, his 2016 campaign chairman, and Roger Stone, his longtime associate.
Hey don't forget Jesus, they have for the last four years, but they will suddenly find Jesus again too, and will be waving the American flag around like the "patriots" they are. The "Christian" base will also be very concerned with YOUR morals, because they are "Christians" and special people to God. Why they are already "saved" and if you are saved, you must be righteous and special too. They will be most concerned with the deficit and big government spending, count on it. The people can starve, but the wealthy and corporations need more tax breaks to help the economy to recover of course. Give the wealthy the welfare and it will trickle down to the peasants, any lie will do and this one has been useful for a long time.
You can abuse racist suckers any way you want and feed them any lie no matter how absurd, they want to believe and will seek out the lies, ignoring the truth around them and in their faces. They will even deny the truth when it is shoved down their throats along with a foot long plastic tube, as they are intubated by some minority person who they hate. Many die with Trump's lies as their last words, it's not happening and it's not real, it must be something else, it's a hoax, I just got the Kung Flu. Then there are the nice people you know, work with and are related to, who voted for Trump the last time, many even wear masks. So who is worse? The ones who believed it was a hoax and voted for Trump, or those who knew better and voted for him anyway?
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‘As Corrupt As A Pardon Gets’: Chris Hayes On Trump Pardoning Manafort, Stone
"This is as fundamentally corrupt as a pardon gets," says Chris Hayes on Pres. Trump pardoning Paul Manafort, his 2016 campaign chairman, and Roger Stone, his longtime associate.
DIY-HP-LED
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#43: After Trump's Pardon Orgy, we need a Special Counsel to prosecute them all.
DIY-HP-LED
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Did Donald Trump's Pardons Violate Victims' Rights Laws: Pardons & The Crimes Victim's Rights Act.
In 2004, landmark federal legislation was passed giving victims unprecedented rights in the criminal cases involving their perpetrators: The Crime Victims' Rights Act, 18 U.S. Code section 3771 - often called the "Victims' Bill of Rights." This law requires notice and opportunity to be heard in court if, for example, a prosecutor wants to make a plea offer to a lesser charge or if a convicted defendant is scheduled for a parole hearing. These statutory rights are in place to ensure that crime victims are treated with fairness and respect, and to make sure the victims are not victimized a second time by a callous or careless criminal justice system.
This begs the question: did Donald Trump notify the many victims of his 20 recent pardons or did he callously victimize them all over again? And if he failed to notify the victims, Trump certainly violated the spirit of the Crime Victims' Rights Act even if he didn't strictly violate the letter of a law designed to protect and respect crime victims.
In 2004, landmark federal legislation was passed giving victims unprecedented rights in the criminal cases involving their perpetrators: The Crime Victims' Rights Act, 18 U.S. Code section 3771 - often called the "Victims' Bill of Rights." This law requires notice and opportunity to be heard in court if, for example, a prosecutor wants to make a plea offer to a lesser charge or if a convicted defendant is scheduled for a parole hearing. These statutory rights are in place to ensure that crime victims are treated with fairness and respect, and to make sure the victims are not victimized a second time by a callous or careless criminal justice system.
This begs the question: did Donald Trump notify the many victims of his 20 recent pardons or did he callously victimize them all over again? And if he failed to notify the victims, Trump certainly violated the spirit of the Crime Victims' Rights Act even if he didn't strictly violate the letter of a law designed to protect and respect crime victims.