Attention all Bernie Sanders supporters

Fogdog

Fogdog

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Sandernista said:
If Sanders loses the Democratic primary, again.
Are you going to support the Democratic Nominee this time?
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Most Sanders voters in the primary that voted in the general did vote for Clinton. About 90%, which was higher than how the Hillary voters in 2008 supported Obama in the general.

Their biggest aid to Republicans is the way they echo right wing propaganda and suppress the vote by repeating the lie that Democrats are same as Republicans.

Cynical assholes.
 
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ttystikk

ttystikk

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Sandernista said:
If Sanders loses the Democratic primary, again.
Are you going to support the Democratic Nominee this time?
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A large number of those who voted for Bernie in the primaries in 2016 were not Democrats, they were Independents.

When the nomination went to Clinton, many of those people either stayed home or voted for Trump.

This is fact, validated several ways.

It's clear evidence that many Americans have woken up to the fact that the Democratic Party doesn't represent them and therefore doesn't deserve their vote.

I'll vote for the candidate in the field that best represents my interests. I'm through voting for someone just because the other candidate is worse; that hasn't worked for 40 years and rather than continue the neurotic behavior, I'll vote for the candidate that best represents my interests.

Voting by tribalism is exactly how we ended up in this mess. Not surprisingly, those benefiting from the status quo are strongly advocating voting for your team for reasons of identity politics, rather than the much less flattering (to their interests) approach of voting on the issues themselves.
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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Sandernista said:
Vote for Bernie or you get Trump.

Yeah we heard you say it
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And it happened, didn't it?

It isn't the responsibility of votes to vote for Democrats; it's the responsibility of the Democratic Party to run candidates citizens will vote for.

It is the sign of ideological bankruptcy to say, 'vote for us or you get the other guy!'

I'll be voting for the candidate that best represents my interests. Millions of other American voters will be doing the same.

The Democratic Party will either heed this basic fact, or they'll suffer for ignoring it. Again.
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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ttystikk said:
A large number of those who voted for Bernie in the primaries in 2016 were not Democrats, they were Independents.

When the nomination went to Clinton, many of those people either stayed home or voted for Trump.

This is fact, validated several ways.

It's clear evidence that many Americans have woken up to the fact that the Democratic Party doesn't represent them and therefore doesn't deserve their vote.

I'll vote for the candidate in the field that best represents my interests. I'm through voting for someone just because the other candidate is worse; that hasn't worked for 40 years and rather than continue the neurotic behavior, I'll vote for the candidate that best represents my interests.

Voting by tribalism is exactly how we ended up in this mess. Not surprisingly, those benefiting from the status quo are strongly advocating voting for your team for reasons of identity politics, rather than the much less flattering (to their interests) approach of voting on the issues themselves.
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It is not true that "many stayed home or voted for Trump". In 2016, about 90% of all Sanders supporters voted for Hillary. In 2008, about 75% of Hillary supporters voted for Obama.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2017/08/24/did-enough-bernie-sanders-supporters-vote-for-trump-to-cost-clinton-the-election/?utm_term=.c5356808da39

Identity politics is the basis of Democracy. People with common interests voting together is how they ensure their interests are represented. Cult of Sanders are no different. The only people who would object to people voting in a block ("identity") are the ones who are few in number. This is why Cult of Sanders and the 1% don't like Democracy. The only way they can govern is by suppressing the votes of others. Hence their similar and cynical cry that "Democrats are same as Republicans".
 
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Sandernista

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Sanderbitches were telling everyone to stay home. And they parroted every right wing and Russian troll farm talking point against Clinton.
And that includes the 3 of you here on RIU.
You did it up until the day before the election and you've been doing it every day after the election up until the present.
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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Fogdog said:
It is not true that "many stayed home or voted for Trump". In 2016, about 90% of all Sanders supporters voted for Hillary. In 2008, about 75% of Hillary supporters voted for Obama.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2017/08/24/did-enough-bernie-sanders-supporters-vote-for-trump-to-cost-clinton-the-election/?utm_term=.c5356808da39

Identity politics is the basis of Democracy. People with common interests voting together is how they ensure their interests are represented. Cult of Sanders are no different. The only people who would object to people voting in a block ("identity") are the ones who are few in number. This is why, Cult of Sanders and the 1% don't like Democracy. The only way they can govern is by suppressing the votes of others. Hence their similar and cynical cry that "Democrats are same as Republicans".
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It is your opinion that identity politics is the basis of democracy and it isn't working out for the vast majority of Americans. Sooner or later they'll try something different- and after 40 years, sooner has come and gone.
 
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Sandernista

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ttystikk said:
It is your opinion that identity politics is the basis of democracy and it isn't working out for the vast majority of Americans. Sooner or later they'll try something different- and after 40 years, sooner has come and gone.
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So again.
If Sanders doesn't get the nod again.
You going to support the Democratic nominee?
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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ttystikk said:
It is your opinion that identity politics is the basis of democracy and it isn't working out for the vast majority of Americans. Sooner or later they'll try something different- and after 40 years, sooner has come and gone.
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It's not an opinion, it is fact that the lower 90% wield power only if they come together. You are using the right wing propaganda's label "identity politics" and "tribalism", not I. Unions are an example of how "identity politics" are used achieve common goals. The Tea Party is another example of a group of people voting as a block to get what they wanted. Your label of "identity politics" is an attempt to diminish and discredit what has always been anathema to wealthy people and tyrants, the power of the organized movements.

Here is a tip for you: Most of the people in this country voted for left of center representation in 2018. All but a handful of Democrats support progressive causes most of the time. In all but a few districts, voters rejected people to the extreme left and rejected the GOP's hard line right wing policies in favor of progressive liberal politicians. I gather you believe this means that your "correct policies" were defeated by corporations, economic elites, etc.. An alternative reason would be that most people in this country don't believe your kind are more than hot air or have sufficiently thought things through and voted for people who advocate gradual change and demonstrate the ability to accomplish their goals. They voted for the accomplishment wing of the Democratic Party.
 
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Sandernista

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Fogdog said:
It's not an opinion, it is fact that the lower 90% wield power only if they come together. You are using the right wing propaganda's label "identity politics" and "tribalism", not I. Unions are an example of how "identity politics" are used achieve common goals. Your label is an attempt to diminish and discredit what has always been anathema to wealthy people and tyrants, the power of the organized movements.

Here is a tip for you: Most of the people in this country voted for left of center representation in 2018. All but a handful of Democrats support progressive causes most of the time. In all but a few districts, voters rejected people to the extreme left and rejected the GOP's hard line right wing policies in favor of progressive liberal politicians. I gather you believe this means that your "correct policies" were defeated by corporations, economic elites, etc.. An alternative reason would be that most people in this country don't believe your kind are more than hot air or have sufficiently thought things through and voted for people who advocate gradual change and demonstrate the ability to accomplish their goals. They voted for the accomplishment wing of the Democratic Party.
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Sanderbots believe that if their guy isn't accepted. We should all be punished by the really bad choice being elected
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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ttystikk said:
Not unless they represent my interests.
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Such as Bernie Sanders half baked, unfunded and poorly thought out "universal healthcare bill"?

Yah, now that paygo is in place, a bill like that cannot go forward unless financing the bill is also part of the legislation. Bernie and his Cult of Sanders would simply trash a system that represents a quarter of our economy without any idea of how to pay for it or a price tag.

If the price of losing your vote is to not do that, then go and start your third party already. The vast majority of this country doesn't want to just jump off a cliff and only then figure out what to do about that gravity thing.
 
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