Now that Michigan Rec is legal...

[Chip Green]

I usually burn my refuse from my medical cultivation, as discretely as possible as to not draw attention to my property in my small UP community.... Mixing in small handfuls of stems and dried fan leaf while a good fire burns in my backyard firepit....
Today, I filled the concrete block enclosure to the top with a huge tub of said refuse, and set it ablaze, wafting the entire neighborhood with a huge puff in celebration....

 

[mo841]

Is that 12 plants per person that's 21 and older in the house, or 12 per house hold?

 

[Herb & Suds]

Is that 12 plants per person that's 21 and older in the house, or 12 per house hold?

Per household

 

[nl5xsk1]

Can i grow in my backyard now that its legal, i have privacy fencing

 

[NrthrnMichigan]

I think it has to be fenced in and locked up and not be able to be seen by anyone with unaided eyes. Can anyone with absolute knowledge concur?

 

[cleverpiggy]

I think it has to be fenced in and locked up and not be able to be seen by anyone with unaided eyes. Can anyone with absolute knowledge concur?

"Any outdoor gardening would have to take place in a secure area where the plants are not easily visible to the public".
Got this from bridgemi.com its a bit vague.

 

[DemonTrich]

Imo, same rules would pertain to mmmp carded growers to an od grow.

Secured, fenced in, not seen from the sides or above, and then the smell. No smell, you cant impose on your neighbors.

 

[Norby Grown]

Show me a point in time where Democrats (I should say liberals since cuckservatives were Democrats waaaaay back in the day) actively worked to subvert the will of the voters...I’ll wait...

These Republican assholes are trying to rip apart legislation that was just voted on less than a month ago. Besides this they also took a ballot measure in mi to raise the minimum wage, passed it ahead of the vote so it would not be on the ballot so they could gut it during the lame duck session with a simple majority. Don’t even get me into the bullshit the Repukes in the federal government are doing under Mitch McConnel.

Take those false equivalencies and sell them to someone stupid enough to buy them.

The democrats voted overwhelmingly for the transport law.

 

[FrostyTheDruid]

The democrats voted overwhelmingly for the transport law.

lmao. You do realize Republicans in Michigan have had a majority for the last 8 years, since Michigan has had a medical program? Right? Anything that has been passed in regards to it has been on their watch. Nice try though. Why don’t you link us the vote record on this law you’re referring to...i’d LOVE to see which party proposed it and supported it in larger numbers...

I’d also like to see this law just to figure out how in the hell it’s passage pertains to anything I said...

 

[FrostyTheDruid]

The democrats voted overwhelmingly for the transport law.

Just as I suspected you should educate yourself. A Republican introduced the bill, the ONLY ones who voted against it were Democrats. And it has nothing to do with what I was talking about. I hope you don’t vote because you appear to not know shit about what it is you’re voting for.

https://www.michiganvotes.org/RollCall.aspx?ID=614401

 

[Norby Grown]

You specifically said show me where dems worked to subvert the will of the voters. You should word your phrases better. You didn't say show me where dems proposed regulation to subvert the will of the voters. They overwhelmingly voted for the transport law which was not proposed by the voters, us. I should have brought up ANY gun legislation, ever. Would that satisfy your thoughts on dems?
In NY gov' cuomo made the med MJ law there stricter than what the dems and reps in the senate settled on taking away the use of flower and a few other things. Believe me the dems are not as lily white as you paint them. They're wimps who won't stand up for us at any point unless it serves them. If they did we wouldn't have had to pass medical or recreational ourselves. Keep thinking the dems got your back and see where it gets ya. They'll just destroy us in a different way than the reps. And they'll take away your rights just the same. Are they better on MJ than the reps, yes, but they are worse in other ways.

 

[FrostyTheDruid]

You specifically said show me where dems worked to subvert the will of the voters. You should word your phrases better. You didn't say show me where dems proposed regulation to subvert the will of the voters. They overwhelmingly voted for the transport law which was not proposed by the voters, us. I should have brought up ANY gun legislation, ever. Would that satisfy your thoughts on dems?
In NY gov' cuomo made the med MJ law there stricter than what the dems and reps in the senate settled on taking away the use of flower and a few other things. Believe me the dems are not as lily white as you paint them. They're wimps who won't stand up for us at any point unless it serves them. If they did we wouldn't have had to pass medical or recreational ourselves. Keep thinking the dems got your back and see where it gets ya. They'll just destroy us in a different way than the reps. And they'll take away your rights just the same. Are they better on MJ than the reps, yes, but they are worse in other ways.

Just because the law was not proposed by the voters doesn’t mean it somehow subverted the will of the voters. It’s not like they voted to do away with the mmmp. This legislation did not roll back your medical access. It just restricts the way you are able to transport it. That’s a far cry from passing overwhelmingly popular legislation in order to prevent citizens from voting on it only so you can remove it during the lame duck session. Then on top of that voting to take power away from an elected official just because they are not in your party. Those things are anti democratic and a danger to this country. You are simply referring to laws you don’t like. If you don’t see how those things differ you’re not worth debating.

By the way, you should do your research on gun laws. Over 60% of the country support gun law reform such as background checks. The fact you think you can reference that as being “against the will of the voters” shows exactly how out of touch with reality you actually are.

 

[Norby Grown]

Ha, so you buy the whole gun legislation polls thing? Those are polls, not votes. People support background checks but not taking away "assault rifles", which is what the dems always throw in to get more than what the people want. And if they do support taking away "assault weapons" they are dumb. There is no difference between a hunting rifle and an "assault rifle" except cosmetics. And the dems push that lie to the fullest. Not to mention they are used in less than 2.7% of gun violence, since 2.7% represents all shotguns, rifles and "assault rifles". So not only do they subvert the will of the people they spread lies to the public to change the will of the people to support them. They want to take away rights too just not the same rights as the reps.
What I'm trying to say is that dems are the lesser of 2 evils. 70% of the country or more, if you believe polls, want MJ legalized. Where are the dems with their support for changing fed law. Certainly isn't a priority for them. They aren't as bad as the reps with subverting the will of the people but they certainly don't stick up for them unless it's in their best interest. They are corporate slaves and have been with big pharma against MJ as long as they've been dems.
I see how those things differ but the dems are subversive in different ways.

 

[FrostyTheDruid]

Sell that whole hunting rifles and assault rifles bullshit to someone who doesn’t know about guns. I’m not that guy. Try putting a fucking bump stock on a bolt action rifle. Let me know how far you get. Stupidest argument ever.

 

[TheMan13]

IMHO our current two party system, both Republicans and Democrats are too far left of center from this nations founding (aka the Constitution), as they are now clearly beholden to the self serving corruption (special interests) of regulatory capture to sell their bullshit (partyarchy).

@FrostyTheDruid Historically speaking who is responsible for the progressive ideal of bastardizing the Commerce Clause of our Constitution/rule of law into federal prohibition schemes such as the failed 18th Amendment (1919) and the current failure of the Controlled Substance Act (1970) we are fighting and speaking of here?

"What's obvious to one is perhaps not obvious to another." ?!?

 

[FrostyTheDruid]

IMHO our current two party system, both Republicans and Democrats are too far left of center from this nations founding (aka the Constitution), as they are now clearly beholden to the self serving corruption (special interests) of regulatory capture to sell their bullshit (partyarchy).

@FrostyTheDruid Historically speaking who is responsible for the progressive ideal of bastardizing the Commerce Clause of our Constitution/rule of law into federal prohibition schemes such as the failed 18th Amendment (1919) and the current failure of the Controlled Substance Act (1970) we are fighting and speaking of here?

Too far left? I don’t think you understand the difference between left and right political spectrums there buddy. The founding fathers would have been considered by today’s standards far left or progressive.

https://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/progressive

As for the 18th amendment, while you are looking up the difference between the right and left political spectrums, google the phrase “when did conservatives become Republicans”...that may shed some light on your questions about the 18th amendment...

The controlled substances act was thanks to the Nixon administration. Whom, if memory serves was....oh right...a Republican. Darn pesky facts.

 

[Norby Grown]

Sell that whole hunting rifles and assault rifles bullshit to someone who doesn’t know about guns. I’m not that guy. Try putting a fucking bump stock on a bolt action rifle. Let me know how far you get. Stupidest argument ever.

Most hunting guns are semi auto. You think it has to be a bolt action to be a hunting rifle? You don't know that much about guns then. I could put a bump stock on my wifes .22lr. semi auto squirrel gun. I can also put 50rnd clips into it. Only difference between my wifes squirrel gun and my "assault rifle", which is also .22 cal. is that it has a pistol grip and rails which you could attach things to. Under the safe act in NYS she can back but I can't bring mine because it has a pistol grip and rails. SMH. The difference between an "assault rifle" and a semi auto hunting rifle is a pistol grip and rails. Look up the definition before you speak if you don't know.
Plus most assaults happen with pistols(97+%), so why do liberals consider pistols defensive and "assault rifles" assault weapons while they consider hunting rifles which are semi auto, same caliber, same capacity for magazines,etc. defensive? It's because they have been sold a false definition by democrats. Assault rifles, the coined term for weapons of war, have 3 settings. Full auto, semi auto and 3 round bursts. But they already made those illegal so they brought the term back up to ban what no soldier would ever carry into a war. A weapon that cosmetically looks the same but dowesn't have the 3 round burst or fully auto settings.

 

[FrostyTheDruid]

Most hunting guns are semi auto. You think it has to be a bolt action to be a hunting rifle? You don't know that much about guns then. I could put a bump stock on my wifes .22lr. semi auto squirrel gun. I can also put 50rnd clips into it. Only difference between my wifes squirrel gun and my "assault rifle", which is also .22 cal. is that it has a pistol grip and rails which you could attach things to. Under the safe act in NYS she can back but I can't bring mine because it has a pistol grip and rails. SMH. The difference between an "assault rifle" and a semi auto hunting rifle is a pistol grip and rails. Look up the definition before you speak if you don't know.
Plus most assaults happen with pistols(97+%), so why do liberals consider pistols defensive and "assault rifles" assault weapons while they consider hunting rifles which are semi auto, same caliber, same capacity for magazines,etc. defensive? It's because they have been sold a false definition by democrats. Assault rifles, the coined term for weapons of war, have 3 settings. Full auto, semi auto and 3 round bursts. But they already made those illegal so they brought the term back up to ban what no soldier would ever carry into a war. A weapon that cosmetically looks the same but dowesn't have the 3 round burst or fully auto settings.

I never said it has to be bolt action to be a hunting rifle. Although, if you hunt with a semi auto you’re a scrub, just saying. There are plenty of semi auto rifles that have a fixed stock as well. You gun nuts get too caught up on labels and bullshit definitions like they have any real basis in this pretty simple argument. AR and AK packages can be modified to be very close to weapons of war legally and easily. They can be used to cause mass deaths in short amounts of time. Your 97% firearm assaults are pistols statistic is absolute horse shit as well. Show some citation. You won’t because it’s a made up statistic.

 

[Norby Grown]

I never said it has to be bolt action to be a hunting rifle. Although, if you hunt with a semi auto you’re a scrub, just saying. There are plenty of semi auto rifles that have a fixed stock as well. You gun nuts get too caught up on labels and bullshit definitions like they have any real basis in this pretty simple argument. AR and AK packages can be modified to be very close to weapons of war legally and easily. They can be used to cause mass deaths in short amounts of time. Your 97% firearm assaults are pistols statistic is absolute horse shit as well. Show some citation. You won’t because it’s a made up statistic.

This is for homicides. Now 66+% of gun deaths are suicides which are almost all handguns and not represented in homicides. Rifles accounted for 3%. Of which "assault rifles" are a subset. I imagine the unaccounted homicides were knives, bats, fists etc. Which shows knives and fists and bats kill more people than "assault rifles". I'll see if I can dig up something more suitable.
The FBI's Supplemental Homicide
Reports show that 57% of all murders
in 1993 were committed with hand-
guns, 3% with rifles, 5% with shotguns,
and 5% with firearms where the type
was unknown. https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/GUIC.PDF

 

[Norby Grown]

https://money.cnn.com/interactive/news/handgun-homicides/

Remember this is only homicides. Of all the gun deaths in the US 66+% is suicide. 10+% is by police. leaving homicide at only 25% of the actual death by gun #'s. Which is where you get less than 3% of deaths by gun associated with rifles, which includes shotguns, muzzleloader, "assault rifles" and bolt action rifles and all other semi auto rifles.
And as for being a scrub for using a semi auto for hunting, I can see you don't hunt or have something against hunters? There is nothing wrong with using a semi auto for hunting. My remington shotgun which was left to me by my dad is semi auto.
And semi autos being able to be made "close" to weapons of war legally is BS. If you are talking about bump stocks, they could be used on my wifes .22 ruger just as easily as an ar or ak. And Ar's and AK's aren't a very hi powered rifle. 1 shotgun slug will do much more damage than 3-4 rounds of an AK or AR. You people who know nothing about guns are the ones who think they should all be lumped in without regards to lethality. Which is why in NYS. a .22lr can be considered an "assault rifle".

Handguns were used in 19 times as many murders than rifles were in 2016, according to the Uniform Crime Reporting data. Handguns killed nine times as many persons as rifles, shotguns, and other guns did combined. The type of firearm used was unknown for about 28 percent of all firearm murders. https://www.dailysignal.com/2018/02/22/fact-check-are-most-gun-crimes-committed-with-handguns/

Your standard M&P 9mm pistol comes with a 17rnd clip. That's why handguns are favored by criminals. Because they are concealable. If you are walking to a target you want to be able to get there without notice. An AR or AK is really hard to conceal. In NYS gov. Cuomo made it legal to have a 10rnd clip but if you load more than 7 rnds in it, it is a felony. I don't think someone who is intent on killing people would worry about that but people are getting felony convictions for loading more than 7 rnds who are only trying to protect themselves. All BS spread and initiated by Dems against the will of the people. It's only giving criminals the upper hand because they don't care and can get what they want. But dems have you thinking that gun laws are going to actually do anything about this.
And Russia has more homicides than the US and all semi autos are illegal. And London had more homicides by knives this year than NYC did with guns and knives per capita. Violence isn't because of the availability of guns it's because of cultural reasons, because of the way society is structured.