Organic Growing: An Introductory Guide

Rasta Roy

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Personal endorsement: My plants love calcined clay! (Special Kitty all natural from wal-mart)
RM3 turned me onto it a couple of years ago and it is fantastic. We put 100 lbs in our garden and had a stellar crop (10ft sunflowers, giant zucchini, etc). I've had problems with mag deficiency, but I think that's from the coco in my mix.
Langbeinite has been great for me for staving off mag deficiency in a few different soil mediums. And I use half the application rate. Lasts for about four months.
 

Chunky Stool

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Langbeinite has been great for me for staving off mag deficiency in a few different soil mediums. And I use half the application rate. Lasts for about four months.
Yes indeed! I like it because it dissolves more slowly than epsom, plus you get the extra potassium. For people who grow organically and don't like to fuss over their plants, top-dressing with langbeinite half way through veg will make a HUGE difference in the quality of your finished product.
Seriously.
Extra potassium & sulfur is magic, especially at the end. 8)
 

Rasta Roy

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Yes indeed! I like it because it dissolves more slowly than epsom, plus you get the extra potassium. For people who grow organically and don't like to fuss over their plants, top-dressing with langbeinite half way through veg will make a HUGE difference in the quality of your finished product.
Seriously.
Extra potassium & sulfur is magic, especially at the end. 8)
I can definitely attest to that! I used to go pretty hard with kelp teas in flower or else I would see P deficiency or underperformance but the Langbeinite has alleviated the need. Though I still like to do a few!
 

Final Phase

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Hey Rasta Roy, thanks for starting this post. I just read the first page because I'm interested in doing a better job with my soil than what I'm doing now. I too started out with Super Soil about 16 years ago...
I like the recipe in that article! Will be following this with interest.
 

Rasta Roy

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Hey Rasta Roy, thanks for starting this post. I just read the first page because I'm interested in doing a better job with my soil than what I'm doing now. I too started out with Super Soil about 16 years ago...
I like the recipe in that article! Will be following this with interest.
Learning about soil is an awesome journey! I started a company I loved it so much. We sell locally in mid-Michigan and will be in stores and online this fall.
 

Chunky Stool

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Composting would be a great project for boy scouts. It would keep them busy (out of trouble), teach them things they can use the rest of their lives, and pay their expenses (field trips, camping gear, etc).
Each scout could collect scraps from their neighbors and bring them to a centralized location where they can decompose naturally.
It's a long-term project.
I'd pay a little more if quality was good and I knew it was going to a good cause.
 

Rasta Roy

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Composting would be a great project for boy scouts. It would keep them busy (out of trouble), teach them things they can use the rest of their lives, and pay their expenses (field trips, camping gear, etc).
Each scout could collect scraps from their neighbors and bring them to a centralized location where they can decompose naturally.
It's a long-term project.
I'd pay a little more if quality was good and I knew it was going to a good cause.
That would be awesome!

We're doing a lot with community education this year and I want to do more and more with time. I'm consulting on a couple public school garden and composting programs, and we're doing some little demos at our lot this spring and summer on how to grow a self sustainable garden in your home and all the little projects that go with it. Next step will to get with more biology teachers and get kids doing some projects making lactobacillus and similar home gardening science projects.
 

Thai_Lights

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You're definitely better off to under water than over water, so your caution is definitely in the right place! It's one of those things that's hard to get a feel for.

In ten gallon smart pots my plants are getting about a half gallon or so every other day. I got a couple heavy drinkers that get a little more. Any excess just runs out the sides and bottom of the pot. Fabric pots are where it's at. Kinda eliminates the concern of over watering (although I'm sure you could still if you tried hard enough lol).

Focusing more on meals instead of bat guanos you won't be worried about washing away your amendments.
I like the idea of organics if I start my own. What kind of yields per 1000w with how much veg time?
 

714steadyeddie

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@Rasta Roy hey brother, so just wanted to see if you could help me out Again.

I want to put together a small compost tea brewer. Im thinking for my garden a 5 gallon Home Depot bucket will do. Could I get away with just having a pump and 2 air stones. Or do I have to do the vortex style.

This whole time I though I actually needed to brew the tea, like on a stove LOL.

A 5 gallon bucket is so much easier
 

Chunky Stool

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@Rasta Roy hey brother, so just wanted to see if you could help me out Again.

I want to put together a small compost tea brewer. Im thinking for my garden a 5 gallon Home Depot bucket will do. Could I get away with just having a pump and 2 air stones. Or do I have to do the vortex style.

This whole time I though I actually needed to brew the tea, like on a stove LOL.

A 5 gallon bucket is so much easier
2 air stones work great. That's what I've been using for years.
 

Chunky Stool

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Cool, so what exactly would go in there for a general tea for flower ?

Let's say I made a basic organic soil mix that should get through veg but lacks the finish for bloom.
I generally brew microbial & nutrient teas separately & lately have been steeping nute teas without aeration.
Personally I love guano, but understand some people have a problem with the way it is harvested. If you're early in flower, peruvian seabird guano is awesome because it provides a nitrogen boost (11-12-0). Add a little potassium sulfate (0-0-50) and some humic acid and you're set. For later in flower, I switch to Indonesian bat guano (0-7-0) or Indonesian seabird guano (0-12-0).
Kelp is always good (1-0-2).
For aerated microbial tea, all you need is bacteria and a food source so worm castings and molasses works great. Just go easy on the molasses. More is definitely *not* better.
 

Rasta Roy

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@Rasta Roy hey brother, so just wanted to see if you could help me out Again.

I want to put together a small compost tea brewer. Im thinking for my garden a 5 gallon Home Depot bucket will do. Could I get away with just having a pump and 2 air stones. Or do I have to do the vortex style.

This whole time I though I actually needed to brew the tea, like on a stove LOL.

A 5 gallon bucket is so much easier
All I use is a five gallon bucket, a $50 pump and I've got five stones or one giant disk shaped air stone, I alternate between them while I'm cleaning the other.

Nothing fancy needed! Maybe a tote or tub to set it in case it bubbles over the edges.
 

Rasta Roy

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Cool, so what exactly would go in there for a general tea for flower ?

Let's say I made a basic organic soil mix that should get through veg but lacks the finish for bloom.
Well...It depends on what you're lacking when you're in bloom.

Most people's instincts are too add a Phosphate source but if you have a well built organic soil you should have plenty of phosphorus (it's a heavy element it hangs around).

Boosting calcium, sulfur, potassium, magnesium, and nitrogen (although only in balance with other things, we need N in flower too but too much or an imbalance of it will cause excess leaf growth and prolong flowering) will do more for you in way of improving yields and plant health.

Alfalfa and kelp meal, half cup to one cup of each in a five gallon bucket. Let it steep for 24 hours, dilute it with ten to fifteen gallons of water (just do the half cup if you don't need that much water), and apply.

If you have your own homemade castings then a worm tea will work instead but I wouldn't trust store bought ones to bring everything you need to the table.
 

Rasta Roy

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I like the idea of organics if I start my own. What kind of yields per 1000w with how much veg time?
However much you're yielding now, growing non organically.

You're room environment, strain choice, and training technique has more effect on your yield than your choice of Fertilizers.

Organic is supposed to produce a cleaner, better, tasting product...Although I've had some hydro growers give me a run for my money before...

I prefer organics because it's cheaper, more self sustainable and diy friendly.

Plus knowing how much it costs to make bottled nutes I would feel like a giant sucker if I bought any ever again.

And I prefer feeding my worm bin my food scraps to mixing up nitrates and monopotassium Phosphate.
 

Rasta Roy

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@Rasta Roy - Any chance I'll be seeing any of that "Rasta Roy soil" in the A2?
We will definitely have our soil conditioner product and compost available online and shipped all over the states and Canada this fall for sure. Our soil blends however I'm a little unsure of the date when they'll be available. We sell them by the cubic foot to cubic yard from our lot in Lansing, MI (you bring your own container). But we are only able to store so much bagged product, and our profit margins are higher for our soil conditioner and compost (cause we're only paying for the labor not outsourcing aeration and other components like for our soil). So that's the product we our launching with and as soon as we can upgrade storage facilities then we will be offering our soil blends online as well.

As far as finding us in stores, that all depends on how well I do on the phone with the distribution big wigs I suppose lol. Wish me luck, and maybe bug your local grow stores about stocking my shit when it's available :)
 
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