Are there any smart Trump supporters?

[Rob Roy]

Well yes...obviously its literally a choice.

But I prefer to address the merits of a debate by its intended argument whenever possible. Its more fun.

Also in most cases simply stating the obvious doesn't work...if it did they probably wouldn't need you to point it out in the first place.

I certainly share Roy's distain for the system and understand his frustration. I simply believe that I need to participate in the system to have the right to complain about it....sure, its mostly all B.S. ....but I'll do my part, where and when I can.

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If you "have to" participate in something based in coercion and there is no real option not to...you aren't a willing "participant", you are a captive.

 

[Rob Roy]

I would argue that it's not an illusion at all, it's quite real, you have a choice to take what they offer you or leave and find a place that does offer what you want. Just as Rob has a choice to stick around, pay taxes and live with and participate in society as everyone else does. Or he has the choice to leave and find someplace that offers him what he wants.

Which is why I asked him specifically what country on this planet offers what he wants. He was not able to answer the question.

I think you meant "which country".


Parents sometimes fool children into thinking that the child has a choice when the parent "allows" the child to chose from a predetermined and limited set of options.

Some people grow up and some remain a child, child.

 

[see4]

Well yes...obviously its literally a choice.

But I prefer to address the merits of a debate by its intended argument whenever possible. Its more fun.

Also in most cases simply stating the obvious doesn't work...if it did they probably wouldn't need you to point it out in the first place.

I certainly share Roy's distain for the system and understand his frustration. I simply believe that I need to participate in the system to have the right to complain about it....sure, its mostly all B.S. ....but I'll do my part, where and when I can.

Right, and that was your choice to make.

Rob is arguing you don't have that choice. I'm arguing, you do.

 

[see4]

I think you meant "which country".


Parents sometimes fool children into thinking that the child has a choice when the parent "allows" the child to chose from a predetermined and limited set of options.

Some people grow up and some remain a child, child.

I can assume you are calling me a child because I called you a pedophile? Just as you call me a slave? Seems hypocritical, hypocrite.

 

[jogofien]

Roy Roy is a very smart man.

 

[Rob Roy]

I can assume you are calling me a child because I called you a pedophile? Just as you call me a slave? Seems hypocritical, hypocrite.

No. Your calling me a pedo is silly, but if it turns you on, go for it, Stud.

I called you a child, because your default position when attempting to discuss government / politics leans toward an imposed hierarchy being acceptable to you and therefore "good". You anoint illegitimate authority as having some kind of parental right to impose on others. That would make you and others a "child" and your beloved nanny state the parent in that relationship. I sometimes use it as a descriptive term for people who need "leaders" and are willing to impose those "leaders" on others too.

 

[jogofien]

 

[Rob Roy]

Roy Roy is a very smart man.

Thank you. That was a nice thing to say.

 

[UncleBuck]

calling me a pedo is silly

not really.

you seem to think that it should be OK for "certain" 10 year olds to have sex with you.

 

[Rob Roy]

not really.

you seem to think that it should be OK for "certain" 10 year olds to have sex with you.

Not bad innuendo, Poopy Pants.

Here's some questions you won't answer...

Which age did you develop the wherewithal to consent ?

Is there a universal age for everyone when that wherewithal occurs? What is it ?

Enlighten me.

 

[UncleBuck]

Not bad innuendo, Poopy Pants.

Here's some questions you won't answer...

Which age did you develop the wherewithal to consent ?

Is there a universal age for everyone when that wherewithal occurs? What is it ?

Enlighten me.

here's a hint. it's not 10 years old.

do you realize that your refusal to accept this basic premise is what leads us all to believe you are an active pedophile?

 

[see4]

No. Your calling me a pedo is silly, but if it turns you on, go for it, Stud.

I called you a child, because your default position when attempting to discuss government / politics leans toward an imposed hierarchy being acceptable to you and therefore "good". You anoint illegitimate authority as having some kind of parental right to impose on others. That would make you and others a "child" and your beloved nanny state the parent in that relationship. I sometimes use it as a descriptive term for people who need "leaders" and are willing to impose those "leaders" on others too.

Which country, by your definition, is not a nanny state? Which country, by your definition, does not coercively tax its people?
Why do you think it's ok for an adult male to have "consenting" sex with a 10 year old?

No. Your calling me a pedo is silly, but if it turns you on, go for it, Stud.

You calling me a child and slave are equally as silly. I'm surprised my allusion to the fact went over your head.

 

[Rob Roy]

here's a hint. it's not 10 years old.

do you realize that your refusal to accept this basic premise is what leads us all to believe you are an active pedophile?

Your persistent inability to separate two distinct and separate things from each other is why I think you sometimes draw faulty conclusions, plus you like to use innuendo when your arguments are weak. .

First, it's not a given that a person making commentary or observations about a behavior or circumstance, is a participant in or advocating that circumstance or behavior.

Also, you can't speak for "us", you can only speak for yourself. Even if you paid everybody in the world to believe in a thing which is incorrect, the belief alone can't make a thing false, true.


So, why did you dodge my questions in the last post ? Are you afraid ?

 

[Rob Roy]

Which country, by your definition, is not a nanny state? Which country, by your definition, does not coercively tax its people?
Why do you think it's ok for an adult male to have "consenting" sex with a 10 year old?


You calling me a child and slave are equally as silly. I'm surprised my allusion to the fact went over your head.

That's a lot of questions sir. I'll answer them for you.

1) Not a Nanny state ? A country that respects freedom, which could only mean a country that doesn't use an involuntary means to grow its membership.

2) No coercive taxation? Those in the future, which arise from voluntary cooperation and peace, rather than those which use a different business model

3) You having sex with your paper boy? I think you should leave him alone. However if he's capable of forming actual consent, that would be a matter that isn't my business. I tend to think the younger an individual is, the less likely they've developed the wherewithal to consent, so you might want to leave the grammar school kids alone and fish in a different pond.

Hope that answers your questions, Citizen Subject see4.

 

[Rob Roy]

and yet he's a slave to the very same electricity and other infrastructures that he complains.

Don't you have a couch to sprawl on ? Nails to file? Bernie posters to gaze lovingly at?

 

[UncleBuck]

it's not a given that a person making commentary or observations about a behavior or circumstance, is a participant in or advocating that circumstance or behavior.

so you argue that 10 year olds can consent to sex just for the pure joy of it?

 

[Rob Roy]

the toughest part of a garden is just keeping it weeded. pulling weeds sucks.

Mulch more, weed less.

 

[Rob Roy]

so you argue that 10 year olds can consent to sex just for the pure joy of it?

No, in large part it springs from an argument / debate you and I were having months (years?) ago.

You were on the losing end of the argument, (no surprise there) refusing to answer questions etc. and I was fucking with you about a hypothetical relationship you had with the Badman since you were obviously not going to engage the actual topic, which was my intention to have it remain generically about consent.

You've conflated the topic ever since then and had some fun fucking with me as well as calling in your sock puppet legions and various jackals for support etc.

I'd much prefer to engage in a more even exchange of ideas, but have found that difficult with you since you consistently avoid it.


So, why are you afraid to answer the questions I posed above ?

 

[UncleBuck]

No, in large part it springs from an argument / debate you and I were having months (years?) ago.

You were on the losing end of the argument, (no surprise there) refusing to answer questions etc. and I was fucking with you about a hypothetical relationship you had with the Badman since you were obviously not going to engage the actual topic, which was my intention to have it remain generically about consent.

You've conflated the topic ever since then and had some fun fucking with me as well as calling in your sock puppet legions and various jackals for support etc.

I'd much prefer to engage in a more even exchange of ideas, but have found that difficult with you since you consistently avoid it.


So, why are you afraid to answer the questions I posed above ?

that's quite the revisionist history.

 

[Rob Roy]

that's quite the revisionist history.

Your inability / unwillingness to answer the simple questions I posed is an indictment of your intentions and exonerates mine.