Padawanbater2
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What does that mean?
Are there any smart Trump supporters?
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MuyLocoNC
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Last I heard, $787 billion. Oddly, the exact amount wasted on Obama's failed stimulus package. The big difference is we actually end up with something useful and the job really is "shovel ready" this time.
Padawanbater2
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OK, so where is it?
MuyLocoNC
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It shouldn't be to hard for you, but you have to take a hammer, crack yourself really hard on the noggin and think like a liberal democrat for a minute. Try to visualize the money for the wall/fence sitting in a trust fund, just like social security. Sure, there isn't really a single fucking penny in it and whatever was in there once upon a time, has been spent on other progressive boondoggles many times over. But, ask any liberal and that fund is brimming with cash. So, to answer your question, that's where it is.
Padawanbater2
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"Thankfully, engineer Ali F. Rhuzkan already provided material estimates for the wall. I simply took his material estimates, found national average costs, and totaled them up. Let’s break it down step by step. The previous calculations stated that the wall will be built using pre-cast (place and set at indoor facility and transport harden concrete panels to job site) and cast-in-place (wet concrete placed at site) concrete. We will also need to include the steel rebar in the material costs.
Going off of materials estimate we have…
167,272,000 cubic yards of cast-in-place concrete at $93/cubic yard = $15,556,296,000
1,030,000 segments of 10’ pre-cast panels at $17/panel = $17,510,000
2,500,000 tons of steel rebar at $600/ton = $1,500,000,000
Total Material Cost Estimate: $17,073,806,000
$17 Billion!! To give you a mild idea of how much that is, $17 billion is roughly NASA's yearly operating budget. And let’s take a reality check for a moment: this is only a rough materials costs for the project. I haven’t yet taken into account the cost of labor or machinery, not to mention the millions of dollars it would cost for design work, surveying, and land acquisition. If I had an RSmeans book (construction estimating tool) handy I would be able to do a more in depths cost estimate of this Wall."
http://imgur.com/gallery/KVdSb
Total foreign aid to Mexico in 2013 = $560 million
That's about $16.4 billion short (not including labor costs)
So to answer the question; no, obviously not, there are no smart Trump supporters
OddBall1st
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Well, let me look first.
OddBall1st
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My bad,... It means all the money Mexico has left.
OddBall1st
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If you don`t mind me asking paddy,... Why do you need a dollar amount ?
Padawanbater2
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Yeah, so we steal all of Mexico's money, what happens to the Mexican people?
OddBall1st
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Nothing. According to those coming in, they`re broke. Trump likes leverage and I see US defectors in Mexico getting, Tariffs. (?)
Padawanbater2
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Because when you see the dollar amount of projected costs, you would realize it isn't possible and Trump is blowing smoke up all of his supporters asses. Any Trump supporter should be calling him on his bullshit and holding his feet to the fire about one of the biggest selling points of his campaign. He's promising shit he can't deliver on even if he were to become president. If I were a Trump supporter, that would piss me off. So why doesn't it piss any of you guys off?
OddBall1st
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That would indirectly make Mexico pay a price. and, Get the wall builded.
OddBall1st
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How did you find out Trump couldn`t deliver ? He`s not even elected yet, Are you projecting ?
OddBall1st
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Another way is Trump could easily stop sending money to ,.... let`s say Israel or the Middle East,.... and lend Mexico that cash they need and live off that interest coming in form of accounts receivable.
I think.
I think.
FauxRoux
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The Donald Trump story began when his grandfather, Friedrich, emigrated from Germany to America. Here's everything you need to know about what's happened since:
How did Friedrich make his money?
He arrived in New York City in 1885, at age 16, hoping to make his fortune. Friedrich had grown up in Kallstadt, a small village in southwestern Germany, where the locals are known as Brulljesmacher, or "braggarts." His ancestral name was Drumpf, but the name was changed in the 17th century, possibly to improve the family's social status. After a few years working as a barber in New York City, Friedrich moved to Seattle, anglicized his first name to Frederick, and opened a small establishment in the city's red-light district. He offered customers round-the-clock access to food, liquor, and "private rooms for ladies" — code for prostitutes.
Was the brothel a success?
It was, and the ambitious Trump decided to take his services where the money was, relocating to the Yukon to take advantage of the Klondike Gold Rush. In his saloons-cum-brothels there, the bedrooms had scales so customers could pay for services with gold dust. In 1901, the regional police chief ordered a crackdown on gambling, liquor sales, and "the scarlet women." Trump fled back to New York with a nice nest egg. During a visit home to Kallstadt, he got engaged to a local woman, Elizabeth Christ, and tried to resettle in Germany. But the authorities deported him for dodging military service during his years in America. So the couple moved to New York, and when Friedrich died at age 49 from Spanish flu in 1918, it was his son Fred who continued the family's entrepreneurial legacy.
In what way?
Fred set up a garage construction business with his mother when he was still in high school. Elizabeth Trump and Son was a huge success, and in the 1920s the budding real estate mogul began building single-family houses in the borough of Queens. He was notoriously frugal, known for walking around his construction sites picking up dropped nails. In 1936, Trump married a Scottish immigrant named Mary Anne MacLeod; the couple's five children included Maryanne, now a senior federal appeals court judge, and Donald. After World War II, Trump Sr. took advantage of large federal housing grants to build rental apartment complexes in Brooklyn and Queens. Realizing that his German heritage might be a hindrance to business, he claimed his parents were Swedish. "He had a lot of Jewish tenants," explained his nephew, John Walter. "It wasn't a good thing to be German in those days."
How wealthy was Fred Trump?
By the 1970s, Fred was a multi-millionaire. When he died in 1999, he was worth as much as $300 million. But Fred's career wasn't without controversy, particularly on racial matters. He was arrested in Queens in 1927, after a street battle at a Ku Klux Klan rally. In 1973, the family firm and Donald Trump himself were sued by the Justice Department for allegedly discriminating against black people who wanted to rent apartments; the applications of blacks, an investigation had found, were marked with a "C" for "colored" and were inevitably declined. The company eventually settled and agreed to put in place anti-discrimination measures.
How did Donald make his money?
He left Brooklyn and Queens behind and set out to make it big in the more glamorous environs of Manhattan. "I had loftier dreams and visions," he said. Only three years after graduating from college, Trump took a $1 million loan from his father and more than $100 million in bank loans his father helped secure for him, and leveraged it into a string of major building projects in Manhattan, including the Grand Hyatt Hotel, Trump Tower, and Trump Plaza. He also branched out into golf courses, luxury resorts, and dozens of other industries (see below). A natural showman, Trump — who also originally told people he was Swedish — understood the value of marketing himself. "If I take out a full-page ad in The New York Times to publicize a project, it might cost $40,000," he said in 1987. "But if The New York Times writes even a moderately positive one-column story about one of my deals, it doesn't cost me anything."
Has he made any bad deals?
Many. He bought a team in the upstart United States Football League, then helped bring about the league's collapse by moving its season to compete head-to-head with the NFL's. His Atlantic City casinos led to four company bankruptcies, almost wiping out his personal fortune. Trump Airlines lasted only three years. Thousands of former students are suing the now-defunct Trump University, which New York state officials call "a classic bait-and-switch scheme." But Trump has kept growing his fortune, largely by building his brand through books and a reality TV show, developing golf courses and hotels, and successfully licensing the Trump brand name to other developers. Estimates of his current wealth vary widely, with Bloomberg.com pegging it at $2.9 billion. Trump insists he's worth $10 billion — a nice, round figure that makes him sound more successful. "This is a family," says biographer Gwenda Blair, "deeply steeped in the idea that you do whatever it takes to win."
Trump, the brand
Donald Trump has spent his life making his name synonymous with wealth and success, and for a price will put "Trump" on almost anything. In addition to the famous hotels, tower blocks, and golf courses, the billionaire's ventures have included Trump Steaks, Trump magazine, and TRUMP the board game. His fans can sip on Trump Water, Trump Wine, or Trump Vodka; they can kit out their homes with Trump Home Furnishings, wear the Donald J. Trump Signature Collection line of shirts and ties (made in Mexico and China), and put on Trump Fragrance (which "captures the spirit of the driven man"). Of the 515 firms in which he is involved, 268 have "Trump" in the company title. In one of his books, Trump himself acknowledged that things could have been very different if his ancestors hadn't changed the family name. "Drumpf Tower," he wrote, "doesn't sound nearly as catchy."
-Louie Psihoyos/CORBIS/The Week
How did Friedrich make his money?
He arrived in New York City in 1885, at age 16, hoping to make his fortune. Friedrich had grown up in Kallstadt, a small village in southwestern Germany, where the locals are known as Brulljesmacher, or "braggarts." His ancestral name was Drumpf, but the name was changed in the 17th century, possibly to improve the family's social status. After a few years working as a barber in New York City, Friedrich moved to Seattle, anglicized his first name to Frederick, and opened a small establishment in the city's red-light district. He offered customers round-the-clock access to food, liquor, and "private rooms for ladies" — code for prostitutes.
Was the brothel a success?
It was, and the ambitious Trump decided to take his services where the money was, relocating to the Yukon to take advantage of the Klondike Gold Rush. In his saloons-cum-brothels there, the bedrooms had scales so customers could pay for services with gold dust. In 1901, the regional police chief ordered a crackdown on gambling, liquor sales, and "the scarlet women." Trump fled back to New York with a nice nest egg. During a visit home to Kallstadt, he got engaged to a local woman, Elizabeth Christ, and tried to resettle in Germany. But the authorities deported him for dodging military service during his years in America. So the couple moved to New York, and when Friedrich died at age 49 from Spanish flu in 1918, it was his son Fred who continued the family's entrepreneurial legacy.
In what way?
Fred set up a garage construction business with his mother when he was still in high school. Elizabeth Trump and Son was a huge success, and in the 1920s the budding real estate mogul began building single-family houses in the borough of Queens. He was notoriously frugal, known for walking around his construction sites picking up dropped nails. In 1936, Trump married a Scottish immigrant named Mary Anne MacLeod; the couple's five children included Maryanne, now a senior federal appeals court judge, and Donald. After World War II, Trump Sr. took advantage of large federal housing grants to build rental apartment complexes in Brooklyn and Queens. Realizing that his German heritage might be a hindrance to business, he claimed his parents were Swedish. "He had a lot of Jewish tenants," explained his nephew, John Walter. "It wasn't a good thing to be German in those days."
How wealthy was Fred Trump?
By the 1970s, Fred was a multi-millionaire. When he died in 1999, he was worth as much as $300 million. But Fred's career wasn't without controversy, particularly on racial matters. He was arrested in Queens in 1927, after a street battle at a Ku Klux Klan rally. In 1973, the family firm and Donald Trump himself were sued by the Justice Department for allegedly discriminating against black people who wanted to rent apartments; the applications of blacks, an investigation had found, were marked with a "C" for "colored" and were inevitably declined. The company eventually settled and agreed to put in place anti-discrimination measures.
How did Donald make his money?
He left Brooklyn and Queens behind and set out to make it big in the more glamorous environs of Manhattan. "I had loftier dreams and visions," he said. Only three years after graduating from college, Trump took a $1 million loan from his father and more than $100 million in bank loans his father helped secure for him, and leveraged it into a string of major building projects in Manhattan, including the Grand Hyatt Hotel, Trump Tower, and Trump Plaza. He also branched out into golf courses, luxury resorts, and dozens of other industries (see below). A natural showman, Trump — who also originally told people he was Swedish — understood the value of marketing himself. "If I take out a full-page ad in The New York Times to publicize a project, it might cost $40,000," he said in 1987. "But if The New York Times writes even a moderately positive one-column story about one of my deals, it doesn't cost me anything."
Has he made any bad deals?
Many. He bought a team in the upstart United States Football League, then helped bring about the league's collapse by moving its season to compete head-to-head with the NFL's. His Atlantic City casinos led to four company bankruptcies, almost wiping out his personal fortune. Trump Airlines lasted only three years. Thousands of former students are suing the now-defunct Trump University, which New York state officials call "a classic bait-and-switch scheme." But Trump has kept growing his fortune, largely by building his brand through books and a reality TV show, developing golf courses and hotels, and successfully licensing the Trump brand name to other developers. Estimates of his current wealth vary widely, with Bloomberg.com pegging it at $2.9 billion. Trump insists he's worth $10 billion — a nice, round figure that makes him sound more successful. "This is a family," says biographer Gwenda Blair, "deeply steeped in the idea that you do whatever it takes to win."
Trump, the brand
Donald Trump has spent his life making his name synonymous with wealth and success, and for a price will put "Trump" on almost anything. In addition to the famous hotels, tower blocks, and golf courses, the billionaire's ventures have included Trump Steaks, Trump magazine, and TRUMP the board game. His fans can sip on Trump Water, Trump Wine, or Trump Vodka; they can kit out their homes with Trump Home Furnishings, wear the Donald J. Trump Signature Collection line of shirts and ties (made in Mexico and China), and put on Trump Fragrance (which "captures the spirit of the driven man"). Of the 515 firms in which he is involved, 268 have "Trump" in the company title. In one of his books, Trump himself acknowledged that things could have been very different if his ancestors hadn't changed the family name. "Drumpf Tower," he wrote, "doesn't sound nearly as catchy."
-Louie Psihoyos/CORBIS/The Week
OddBall1st
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He could also round up all the Mexican prisoners and ask them What`s there dirt doing in our hole ?
OddBall1st
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Get out the way fox.
FauxRoux
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MuyLocoNC
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$17 billion? That's all?
So, by showing it is "chump change" to build the wall, you're now supporting such a worthy endeavor for such a pittance of cost? Glad to have you aboard.
Obama's most recent budget was for $4.1 trillion, did you think showing it would cost less than $500 billion would make your point? $17 billion is a fucking joke, it would be a value at 10 times that cost. Shit, one aircraft carrier runs over $6 billion.
Holy shit, that was a facking laughable failure.
Padawanbater2
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$17 billion just in materials, not including labor. It would cost around $50 billion total
If $50 billion is nothing, tell me where Trump would get it. Tell me what programs or departments he would end and how much they would each cost to add up to $50 billion
You won't do it because you can't, which is why Trump himself hasn't released a detailed plan on how to finance his wall. He's promising you pie in the sky and you're eating it up because you agree with his racially charged policies. Like when Sanders proposed universal college, he released a detailed plan on how to pay for it down to the penny that anyone could go add up for themselves and see if the math worked. Apparently you guys think Trump is Santa Clause and can just magically provide all the things he's saying he can. That might be good for you, but you don't get to call yourself informed.