Water in Flint and other general problems in our political environ

Dr. Who

Dr. Who

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Let me give you my 2 cents on Bill Schuette and his so called "probe"..

He called in Wayne counties ADA Todd Flood.

Todd Flood was a MAJOR money "donator" (thousands to each) TO both Schuette and Snyders elections and their re-elections along with a republican political "action committee" that sent 10's of thousands to the election war chests of? - you guessed it ,,,, Snyder and Schuette !

Now how in the HELL is this NOT a conflict of interest?

Wonder how the findings of this will go as to the actual guilt of anyone involved ???

I mean, come the fuck on! REALLY?

It's like the leaders of our state are magicians doing their best slight of hand......No, no. Look over here at what I'm doing and not over here at my other hand!

Some of us are like the Penn & Teller of politics....."Stupid ass - I know that old one! Hey, everybody, over here. I know how he did that!"

Sadly some brain washed mindless soul will come back at this and call it "Liberal finger pointing and/or delusional and left wing diatribe."

Why is it that some of us can actually SEE the truth what it's for!

I'm kinda right leaning and like to say I don't like either side for who they have become! "Bobby Singer" said it best, IDJIOTS!

Hmm, maybe the right wingers are Leviathans ! LOL..... "DICK" Roman Snyder..



Time to leave. I want Ricks PORTAL GUN !!!!!


 
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ttystikk

ttystikk

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Dr. Who said:
Lets take a look AT the lead numbers a sec.

Level of lead in drinking water that the Virginia Tech says to be "Concerning" - Especially for children

5 ppb

Benchmark EPA Lead level for the EPA to require a city to take action to correct the problem

15 ppb (Parts per Billion)

Flints average from 271homes tested in the summer of 2015 by the MI state DEQ

27 ppb !!

Highest test level by the V. Tech study in Flint's 8th ward

158 ppb !!!!!

Highest single level recorded by The V. Tech study in a Flint home or business

13,000 ppm !!!!!!!! yes that's thirteen THOUSAND ppb!

The EPA considers 5,000 ppb to be "TOXIC WASTE"!!!

This is simply mind boggling to consider that our elected state officials actually had quality information like this and still allowed it to happen for a YEAR before stepping up to the plate!

Hey Dave......Bet I can get you home in Flint real cheap!
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He'd fit right in. Judging from his posts, he's been drinking 'leaded' for years now.
 
since1991

since1991

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Dr. Who said:
No they were not!

They may have got funding BUT, that funding and the filters did not hit the streets till late Dec early to mid Jan.

It takes time for things to actually happen Dave. They say ok spend this BUT the "this" has to actually SHOW UP. Then you have to spend it on what it was for, not to mention, the wait for "it" to arrive. Filters and water did not magically appear to be distributed over night !

Again, your talking this year and we're talking about the lack of action all the way back to over a YEAR AGO!

Why didn't it happen when the V. tech prof exposed the truth of the problem - that Flint residents KNEW of months before THAT?
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Thanks Dr Who. I didnt see any filters till very recent in my peoples homes in town. And the filters arw worthless for lead.
 
NLXSK1

NLXSK1

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Dr. Who said:
Lets take a look AT the lead numbers a sec.

Hey Dave......Bet I can get you home in Flint real cheap!
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This is literally going to be the end of Flint. Nobody understands lead contamination and the stigma is going to live on well past any real health issues are in the city. Property values are going to drop and the city will have to raise property taxes which will encourage flight in a downward spiral until only those who are too poor to leave will be left and Flint can join Detroit as evidence of what happens when you let a government run things into the ground.
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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NLXSK1 said:
This is literally going to be the end of Flint. Nobody understands lead contamination and the stigma is going to live on well past any real health issues are in the city. Property values are going to drop and the city will have to raise property taxes which will encourage flight in a downward spiral until only those who are too poor to leave will be left and Flint can join Detroit as evidence of what happens when you let a government run things into the ground.
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Who "let" the Michigan state government run things into the ground?
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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since1991 said:
Thanks Dr Who. I didnt see any filters till very recent in my peoples homes in town. And the filters arw worthless for lead.
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"Local, state and federal officials on Friday evening urged all Flint residents to get their water tested for lead after more than two dozen recent samples exceeded levels that can be effectively treated by water filters handed out to residents."
http://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/flint-water-crisis/2016/01/29/epa-high-lead-levels-flint-exceed-filters-ability/79540740/

Its just one ham handed fuck up after another.
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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NLXSK1 said:
That would be the voters in Michigan FTW!!!
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Oh, so now its the people that voted Snyder into office. They are at fault. Or maybe its the Democrats that are at fault because they lost the election to Republicans who then depleted the government of experienced workers by their near continuous attack on the state workers.

The fault can't lie with the people that are actually in office and running Flint into the ground --really? I'll buy in to the idea that voters who put those people in control of the state are partially to blame. Is that what you are saying?
 
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since1991

since1991

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Who is largely to blame ultimately are the brainwashed morons that vote these assholes into office. Snyder and his golf playing pals do not give a rats ass about you or me. He has utter contempt for the super poor in Flint. And he sure dont give a fuck even to people that are one or two steps above the dirt poor. The real working class. The only way these people can get a popular vote is by filling the television and airwaves with a bullshit ideaology. You all should look into the Nestle family hes close to. Talk about a right to clean water. Damn. That company does some cruel shit in other parts of the world. They feel clean water isnt a right for humanity but a commdity to be bought sold amd traded for a profit. Fukin water!!! These are Snyders real golf buddies.These are the people influencing his decision making.
 
bravedave

bravedave

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Dr. Who said:
No they were not!

They may have got funding BUT, that funding and the filters did not hit the streets till late Dec early to mid Jan.

It takes time for things to actually happen Dave. They say ok spend this BUT the "this" has to actually SHOW UP. Then you have to spend it on what it was for, not to mention, the wait for "it" to arrive. Filters and water did not magically appear to be distributed over night !

Again, your talking this year and we're talking about the lack of action all the way back to over a YEAR AGO!

Why didn't it happen when the V. tech prof exposed the truth of the problem - that Flint residents KNEW of months before THAT?
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I am not here defending the egregious decisions made by stupid people along the way, but the inane attempt to lay it all at the governor's feet and expecting a resignation because of it. I first posted because of the increasing rhetoric and bullshit culminating with you
going Godwin.

Yes, it is a tragedy the officials handling things in 2014 did not heed the advice of Va. Tech, but by all evidence the Gov. Snyder was not involved in these decisions. Flint was one of a thousand blips on his screen and he was relayed the same false conclusions of the water being safe and the Flint blip faded...Up until the summer of 2015, unfortunately, but expectedly because he is not a psychic and like many, including the worthless Mayor he believed the managers.

The article i posted is not a lie. Over 4000 filters were handed out in 0ct 2015. And according to this they were verified for lead removal.

http://www.mlive.com/news/flint/index.ssf/2015/10/water_filter_giveaway_open_to.html

Lower income families were targeted by the initial giveaway. Just because Richard1991 did not see them does not make the many articles about the giveaway, untrue.

If one can assume that Snyder, up until the lead report in late summer 2015, was getting reports from the emergency managers that things were being effectively handled then it certainly seems he has done a credible job of things once it was discovered they were not.

You and yours do not believe that assumption even though the emails he released (which he didn't have to) at this point have shown nothing but that.
 
bravedave

bravedave

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Blunted 4 lyfe said:
Pretty quick work GuvNa! Nice job

You sound like Bush after Katrina. In your book he must be doing a heck of a job too.

Those folks don't need band aids what they need is for ALL the pipes to be replaced that includes inside the homes.

Thank you for gracing us with your presence Rush! Compassionate conservatism my ass.

B4L
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From the guy who 6 pages in didn't even know who the mayor was. So your puny swipes carry very little weight.
 
since1991

since1991

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The filters they handed out are not capable of removing the lead thats in the water. According to the EPA. Again Dave....what your reading and hearing is not the way shit has actually went on here.
 
since1991

since1991

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Believe in what you read not from someone that was born and raised in the town were are talking about huh? Thats one way to get to the truth isnt it? Youve been wrong on several points now. Your just finding out about va tech tests arent ya? Little late to the party i say. Mayor and city council pay suspended....oh thats bullshit huh? I bet at first you didnt even know about the emergency manager situation didnt you? Your all wet buddy. You dont have any leg to stand on here.
 
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Fogdog

Fogdog

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bravedave said:
I am not here defending the egregious decisions made by stupid people along the way, but the inane attempt to lay it all at the governor's feet and expecting a resignation because of it. I first posted because of the increasing rhetoric and bullshit culminating with you
going Godwin.

Yes, it is a tragedy the officials handling things in 2014 did not heed the advice of Va. Tech, but by all evidence the Gov. Snyder was not involved in these decisions. Flint was one of a thousand blips on his screen and he was relayed the same false conclusions of the water being safe and the Flint blip faded...Up until the summer of 2015, unfortunately, but expectedly because he is not a psychic and like many, including the worthless Mayor he believed the managers.

The article i posted is not a lie. Over 4000 filters were handed out in 0ct 2015. And according to this they were verified for lead removal.

http://www.mlive.com/news/flint/index.ssf/2015/10/water_filter_giveaway_open_to.html

Lower income families were targeted by the initial giveaway. Just because Richard1991 did not see them does not make the many articles about the giveaway, untrue.

If one can assume that Snyder, up until the lead report in late summer 2015, was getting reports from the emergency managers that things were being effectively handled then it certainly seems he has done a credible job of things once it was discovered they were not.

You and yours do not believe that assumption even though the emails he released (which he didn't have to) at this point have shown nothing but that.
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The joke is on you, those filters are inadequate for the job. Even so, do you even know how many households are in Flint? Try 51,000. Do all those homes need a filter? Probably not. About 10% of the homes tested came in with high lead readings. So, about 5000 homes almost certainly have high lead water. Did only homes with high lead get the filters? That would leave 1000 homes without one. Have you ever used a filter like that? How would you know it is working? How long would it last? How do you know when to change it?

These filters are like putting a band aid on a broken leg. And maybe taping aspirin under the band aid.

Point being, this is palliative care for the problem and isn't even up to the job. Any chemist would know this. The state has chemists working for it. Why wouldn't the leadership consult its own experts about this? If they did, why would the state knowingly put out a fake solution? For some reason, you defend the State's political leaders as if this is a red vs blue argument. While it is true that the leaders are all Republican, it doesn't really matter what party is in power. Just looking at the facts, either there is malfeasance or there is a total lack of intelligence behind the decisions surrounding Flint water crisis. Neither answer casts a good light on those in charge.
 
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