MUSLIM REFORM MOVEMENT

[ChesusRice]

Do tell how you have been forced to take on religion.

Fetus is not a baby
Your turn

 

[Flaming Pie]

Is that so? Seems odd because the very people who wrote the constitution, allowed slavery and probably owned several slaves themselves. Everybody knows that people who are religious are easily manipulated and mildly retarded.

So to be clear, eradicate all religious people and the world will be perfect?

Why don't we round them up and put them in camps. Then we will tell them all to go take a shower.

Or maybe you would prefer they just have their head removed from their body?

 

[Flaming Pie]

Fetus is not a baby
Your turn

So me saying a fetus is a baby makes you accept my god as your Lord and savior?

I never thought it could be that easy.

 

[ChesusRice]

Hmm.. I honestly believe that religion becomes evil ONLY when people allow it to become evil. In the New Testament God is loving and forgiving. The only way to make that image wicked or vile is when someone declares it so.

That's the same story with every other justification. Unless of course you your eg. political views are based on hatred for example.

They took out the books where Jesus killed people.
Jesus was killing people since he was a kid

 

[ChesusRice]

So me saying a fetus is a baby makes you accept my god as your Lord and savior?

I never thought it could be that easy.

Your view is religion based and people have been killed over it

 

[Flaming Pie]

Your view is religion based and people have been killed over it

So what is your solution to the "problem".

Do you believe all violence stems from religion?

What do you think of the OP. I am not muslim. I was researching Islam and found this first step towards a more moderate Islam.

 

[The_Herban_Legend]

So to be clear, eradicate all religious people and the world will be perfect?

Why don't we round them up and put them in camps. Then we will tell them all to go take a shower.

Or maybe you would prefer they just have their head removed from their body?

Very disappointed in you Pie. I want religion eradicated. I would only suggest the eradication of religious people if they refuse to keep their beliefs to themselves.

 

[Flaming Pie]

Very disappointed in you Pie. I want religion eradicated. I would only suggest the eradication of religious people if they refuse to keep their beliefs to themselves.

How do you eradicate religion without them resisting?

I can guarantee they will resist. Then you would be OK with killing them yes?

It is a hateful position you stand in. It disappoints me every time I see you talking down to others and promoting the decimation of over half the world's population.

 

[The_Herban_Legend]

How do you eradicate religion without them resisting? I can guarantee they will resist.

It will take generations, it won't happen overnight.

t. Then you would be OK with killing them yes?

Yes, that is correct, the ends justify the means.

 

[Flaming Pie]

It will take generations, it won't happen overnight.

Yes, that is correct, the ends justify the means.

You are a very hateful person. Do you get a sense of satisfaction looking at pictures of emaciated civilians and piles of dead bodies?

You would condemn a group that has committed no crime against you.

 

[The_Herban_Legend]

You are a very hateful person.

Yeah call me the hateful one not the idiots killing in the name of their deity.

Do you get a sense of satisfaction looking at pictures of emaciated civilians and piles of dead bodies?

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No, sorry.

You would condemn a group that has committed no crime against you.

No, but unfortunately, religion does does not fall in that category. Next ?

 

[schuylaar]

I am aware of the hostility towards religion on RIU politics but religion will not simply disappear.

It can change and shift with the people though. From one interpretation/representation to another.

Intolerance will only create a divide.

How can you claim to hate discrimination for one issue (race,gender,sexually preference) yet discriminate so intensely towards another (religion).

Last I checked, those were all protected by the constitution.

But it should..disappear.

 

[schuylaar]

You are a very hateful person. Do you get a sense of satisfaction looking at pictures of emaciated civilians and piles of dead bodies?

You would condemn a group that has committed no crime against you.

Name a group that hasn't committed atrocities in the name of their God..just one.

 

[Flaming Pie]

Name a group that hasn't committed atrocities in the name of their God..just one.

The majority of christians, jews, and Muslims in the United States.

 

[Flaming Pie]

Here is something I am wondering. Is the MRM in violation of the teachings of islam?

 

[budlover13]

No. I want to be free FROM, which is just as important as your OF..

Just because you want it doesn't make it so.

 

[CC Dobbs]

Declaration

We are Muslims who live in the 21st century. We stand for a respectful, merciful and inclusive interpretation of Islam. We are in a battle for the soul of Islam, and an Islamic renewal must defeat the ideology of Islamism, or politicized Islam, which seeks to create Islamic states, as well as an Islamic caliphate. We seek to reclaim the progressive spirit with which Islam was born in the 7th century to fast forward it into the 21st century. We support the Universal Declaration of Human Rights which was adopted by UN member states in 1948.

We reject interpretations of Islam that call for any violence, social injustice, and politicized Islam. Facing the threat of terrorism, intolerance, and social injustice in the name of Islam, we have reflected on how we can transform our communities based on three principles: peace, human rights and secular governance. We are announcing today the formation of an international initiative: Muslim Reform Movement.

We have courageous reformers from around the world who will outline our Declaration for Muslim Reform, a living document that we will continue to enhance as our journey continues. We invite our fellow Muslims and neighbors to join us.

A. Peace: National Security, Counterterrorism and Foreign Policy

1. We stand for universal peace, love, and compassion. We reject violent jihad. We believe we must target the ideology of violent Islamist extremism in order to liberate individuals both in Muslim-majority societies and the West from the scourge of oppression and terrorism.

2. We stand for the protection of all people of all faiths and non-faiths who seek freedom from dictatorships, theocracies and Islamist extremists.

3. We reject bigotry, oppression and violence against all people based on any prejudice, including ethnicity, gender, language, religion, sexual orientation and gender expression.

B. Human Rights: Women’s Rights and Minority Rights

1. We stand for human rights and justice. We support equal rights and dignity for all people, including minorities. We support the United Nations Declaration of Human Rights.

2. We reject tribalism, castes, monarchies, and patriarchies and consider all people equal with no birth rights other than human rights. All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights. Muslims don’t have an exclusive right to “heaven.”

3. We support equal rights for women, including equal rights to inheritance, witness, work, mobility, personal law, education, and employment. Men and women have equal rights in mosques, boards, leadership and all spheres of society. We reject sexism and misogyny.

C. Secular Governance: Freedom of Speech and Religion

1. We are for secular governance, democracy and liberty. We are against political movements in the name of religion. We separate mosque and state. We are loyal to the nations in which we live. We reject the idea of the Islamic state. There is no need for an Islamic caliphate. We oppose institutionalized sharia. Sharia is manmade.
2. We believe in life, joy, free speech and the beauty all around us. Every individual has the right to publically express criticism of Islam. Ideas do not have rights. Human beings have rights. We reject blasphemy laws, which are a mask to restrict freedom of speech and religion. We affirm every individual’s right to critical thinking, and seek a revival of ijtihad.
3. We believe in the freedom of religion, and the right of all people to express and practice their faith, or non-faith, without threat of intimidation, persecution, or discrimination or violence. Apostasy is not a crime. Our ummah–our community–is all of humanity, and not just Muslims.

We stand for peace, human rights and secular governance. Please stand with us!

December 3, 2015

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Could we get one of these for the Christians too. I think that would be much more productive and keep our country safer from them.

A christian ban would be a good start. Made some loyalty oaths too.

 

[CC Dobbs]

Maybe we could issue patriot cards and not let some people have them so we could persecute them with impunity?

 

[schuylaar]

Very disappointed in you Pie. I want religion eradicated. I would only suggest the eradication of religious people if they refuse to keep their beliefs to themselves.

..in their own homes..at a friends home this past Saturday bible thumpers were out in droves knocking on doors..didn't the Third Reich used to knock on doors?

 

[The_Herban_Legend]

..in their own homes..at a friends home this past Saturday bible thumpers were out in droves knocking on doors..the Third Reich used to knock on doors, too.

I always welcome bible thumpers. It is fun to debate these people when I know as much or more about their religion.