Recycled Organic Living Soil (ROLS) and No Till Thread

not negatively, just hear warnings of too much alfalfa... so i had to ask lol. and I just didn't want to risk giving them the water. i mean all it is is nutrient/compost tea that has been diluted by the charcoal. but just wasn't sure if the charcoal water was good to use or not. better safe than learn the hard way if you don't have to!
 
So i'm guessing the majority of silence towards my question of taking those plants with PM on them is ppl saying, "you're out of your fuckin mind for even considering it." So i guess i'll just leave them to their fate, and let bygones be bygones. time to order some seeds i guess! it'll give me time to get the rest of my living soil together, and decide a keeper of the two Dr. Who phenos i have. Just thought for sure i could save them...
 
ShLUbY said:
So i'm guessing the majority of silence towards my question of taking those plants with PM on them is ppl saying, "you're out of your fuckin mind for even considering it." So i guess i'll just leave them to their fate, and let bygones be bygones. time to order some seeds i guess! it'll give me time to get the rest of my living soil together, and decide a keeper of the two Dr. Who phenos i have. Just thought for sure i could save them...
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I would take them if they are great pheno's or you like the smoke. I don't like to promote ozone and I don't like ozone but it kills mold spores instantly by oxidizing. Some things I just have to do for my grow room. I keep my room in perfect VPD but when I foliar in flower I run ozone after to kill potential spores. I have yet to have a mold problem.
 
4ftRoots said:
I would take them if they are great pheno's or you like the smoke. I don't like to promote ozone and I don't like ozone but it kills mold spores instantly by oxidizing. Some things I just have to do for my grow room. I keep my room in perfect VPD but when I foliar in flower I run ozone after to kill potential spores. I have yet to have a mold problem.
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could you tell me a little about how you manage your VPD. do you run a sealed room and supply co2? are you using a controller to keep it in check all the time?

my friend has an ozone generator i could borrow. I could put the plants in a quarantine room and run that thing for a bit, yeah? I was thinking about spraying them with the 3% peroxide to achieve the same thing, oxidation.

I'm saving the querkle, for sure. it's the good pheno. i really wanna save the vortex too. not even sure exactly what all he hasn't tossed yet, so i'll find out soon enough.
 
ShLUbY said:
could you tell me a little about how you manage your VPD. do you run a sealed room and supply co2? are you using a controller to keep it in check all the time?

my friend has an ozone generator i could borrow. I could put the plants in a quarantine room and run that thing for a bit, yeah? I was thinking about spraying them with the 3% peroxide to achieve the same thing, oxidation.

I'm saving the querkle, for sure. it's the good pheno. i really wanna save the vortex too. not even sure exactly what all he hasn't tossed yet, so i'll find out soon enough.
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Yeah I didn't go much into detail. I would run the ozone in a room with the plant to kill the mold and the spores. The h2o2 is a great idea too. I would run it until you know there is a good bit of ozone then let it sit 10 mins and air it out. You can do that as many times as you want but waiting a day between would be good. I just let mine go in my grow room and set the exhaust into the doorway for 10-15 mins. I then vent outdoors and return to recycling in my house.

For the VDP I use a homemade controller that switches a relay to a dehumidifier. It usually kicks on at night and maintains a humidity given a certain temperature. I didn't make an equation I just took a VPD chart and saved the ideal values in the code for a given temperature. The code measures the temp and humidity through peripheral devices like a thermistor and humidity sensor at the exit of the exhaust.

I don't do co2 but I have 5 worm bins that are placed at my entrance and I feel like that is a lot of co2.

Those cuts sound fire I've always wanted to try querkle. Would love to see it in living soil.
 
4ftRoots said:
Those cuts sound fire I've always wanted to try querkle. Would love to see it in living soil.
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thanks for the response. what temp do you typically run your room during light hours?

the vortex is gone, but the querkle is there still. ill be getting it this weekend, and GG#4. sweet!
 
hyroot said:
I saw this on another thread. Basically Monsanto shady schemes in the mj industry.

http://bigbudsmag.com/marijuana-cannabis-maximum-yield-monsanto-sunlight-supply/
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@hyroot

just came across this post... man I've seen it all now. you know, every day it seems like there is something that just leaves me speechless. This definitely did just that. makes me pissed that i just bought these sunlight supply "mother earth" castings... makes me wonder what unspeakable things are in the bag they aren't listing lol. they looked good on paper... really dry, fine castings outta the bag. no big clumps like the unco castings.
 
I had a couple TGA strains grown from seed that tried to get PM on me in the middle of a hot summer! Sprayed them daily with some mild lemon juice/water mixture. It was gone in a week and never came back.

Got the lemon juice at Costco:

lemon_juice.jpg


Cheers,
Mo
 
AllDayToker said:
That's some not so cool shit. Fk that GMO shit.
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the GMO isn't the problem toker because we can all just say no. it's the fact that monsanto is gettin his paws in the cannabis industry. what happens when he somehow patents THC? or even worse, the real healer CBD. then no one will be able to grow weed without purchasing seed from monsanto? no more seed saving... suicide gene will be added to the DNA so seeds wont grow. some fucked up shit. it seems no one can stop this guy...

Mohican said:
I had a couple TGA strains grown from seed that tried to get PM on me in the middle of a hot summer! Sprayed them daily with some mild lemon juice/water mixture. It was gone in a week and never came back.

Got the lemon juice at Costco:

lemon_juice.jpg


Cheers,
Mo
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thanks for the tip Mo. i'll be sure to use lemon juice! after i use the peroxide/ozone. kill the spores... change the leaf surface Ph.... no more growth! :cool:
 
ShLUbY said:
thanks for the response. what temp do you typically run your room during light hours?

the vortex is gone, but the querkle is there still. ill be getting it this weekend, and GG#4. sweet!
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81 degrees fahrnheight max in the summer. usually around 79-80
 
Darth Vapour said:
well one would also think if your trying to be in set with mother nature then i would stay away from making teas and pouring it to leaving it to rain fall and natural occurring i guess teas if that is the case
But back to cover crop this is where i think not till is jumping all over the place or people are trying to do this when in fact cover crop was meant for use lets say farm land acres of land or big area
i mean lets say i have a 5 x 5 box i plan to no till first year of course you add dirt and of course amendments with that comes top layering of composts where it covers all 25 Sq feet of it there fore i have no need for a cover crop or it would be buried there and die from no sunlight as well as rot from the heat and moisture . of compost i think there is allot of confusion . when it comes to no till and also appears everyone throws there ideas and say this is no till etc
i would really like to here from no till growers that grow in pots 20 - 30 gallon and is it working i mean i grow in 34 gallon totes and by the time i am done one grow start to finish there is litterally no soil left but all roots so if i see this ???how can a person chop plant and make a hole next to it and have it grow with more precentage of roots to soil mass with that said one would think it would become higher acidic which would lead to less organic decomposition and overall health of a plant
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if you have an Instagram account, go check out mountainorganics. Guy is killing no till in 45 - 200 gallon planters. I think he has some in their 14th cycling
 
ALERT: STUPID QUESTION AHEAD.

Ok. This organic seems like freekin rocket science to me. I need an easy recipe to get started. Something premixed off the shelf with very few other things to buy/add. I know, I can search, but I am so stupid about it, I don't know who to listen to and trust.

My goal. To make organic living soil cheap and easy without a lot of different additives I have to buy. Preferably, something already in the bag ready to use. I don't want to add chems. I just want to water the plant when it needs it. I can figure out the regimen. I have time to get started and may even transplant a dwarf fruit tree into this kind of setup. I don't just grow weed. I would like to see improved yields and a healthy plant.

Guess I'm getting bored with hempy bucket and Lucas formula. But, I don't want to have to mess with organic all the time either. I hated hydro and all the PH testing/adjusting. And like 8 part nutes. Eff that.

So can anyone lead stupid to a trusted recipe to get some living soil started? I would appreciate it.
 
ShLUbY said:
the GMO isn't the problem toker because we can all just say no. it's the fact that monsanto is gettin his paws in the cannabis industry. what happens when he somehow patents THC? or even worse, the real healer CBD. then no one will be able to grow weed without purchasing seed from monsanto? no more seed saving... suicide gene will be added to the DNA so seeds wont grow. some fucked up shit. it seems no one can stop this guy...



thanks for the tip Mo. i'll be sure to use lemon juice! after i use the peroxide/ozone. kill the spores... change the leaf surface Ph.... no more growth! :cool:
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Idk if I can see a big global power like thst taking over the cannabis industry. I mean yes the did great with their grain and they are making a shit ton of money.

But there is also the independent, mom&pop shop, and small time commercial industries in marijuana where the roots are deep. It will be something else to see a very large scale Agro Co. try to do the same things with such a plant.

I mean of course they do what they want and engineer a ridiculously high yielding, high potency strain, that you can harvest from year round, but that's not what industry wants.

I would hope our community is above unrealistic strains like that becoming reality, but when there is money, there is coruption. Anything worth anything is worth squeeze the most you can.

Man I've had too many shots I'm rambling
 
GrowUrOwnDank said:
ALERT: STUPID QUESTION AHEAD.

Ok. This organic seems like freekin rocket science to me. I need an easy recipe to get started. Something premixed off the shelf with very few other things to buy/add. I know, I can search, but I am so stupid about it, I don't know who to listen to and trust.

My goal. To make organic living soil cheap and easy without a lot of different additives I have to buy. Preferably, something already in the bag ready to use. I don't want to add chems. I just want to water the plant when it needs it. I can figure out the regimen. I have time to get started and may even transplant a dwarf fruit tree into this kind of setup. I don't just grow weed. I would like to see improved yields and a healthy plant.

Guess I'm getting bored with hempy bucket and Lucas formula. But, I don't want to have to mess with organic all the time either. I hated hydro and all the PH testing/adjusting. And like 8 part nutes. Eff that.

So can anyone lead stupid to a trusted recipe to get some living soil started? I would appreciate it.
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Get a good mix of soil. Meaning an amount of water absorption, compost/dirt material, and drainage.

So like earthworm castings/vermicompost, with vermiculite or perlite, and coco coir or peat moss.

Then start brewing microbes teas. Just compost/castings with molasses. Bubble for 24-48 hours and water as usual.

The more microbe teas you do, the more you are boosting the microbe colony. There is obviously a point where teas don't add more microbes, because your soil is already efficient in with the colony it has.

At this point, just water will be sufficient. The water will keep the soil moist, allowing the microbes a suitable environment to live and do there thing, allowing them to take of your soil, in return providing the soil with a plentiful of pure organic nutrients that will give you many, many, many, harvest.

I think that's all right. I've had a few so forgive me for any mistakes.
 
AllDayToker said:
Get a good mix of soil. Meaning an amount of water absorption, compost/dirt material, and drainage.

So like earthworm castings/vermicompost, with vermiculite or perlite, and coco coir or peat moss.

Then start brewing microbes teas. Just compost/castings with molasses. Bubble for 24-48 hours and water as usual.

The more microbe teas you do, the more you are boosting the microbe colony. There is obviously a point where teas don't add more microbes, because your soil is already efficient in with the colony it has.

At this point, just water will be sufficient. The water will keep the soil moist, allowing the microbes a suitable environment to live and do there thing, allowing them to take of your soil, in return providing the soil with a plentiful of pure organic nutrients that will give you many, many, many, harvest.

I think that's all right. I've had a few so forgive me for any mistakes.
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Yeah thanx man I am sure you know your stuff. I'm kinda stupid. Explain it like the instructions on the back of a frozen pizza box. Step 1 preheat oven to 425. Step 2. Etc.

Thanks bro. I smoked my first bowl haven't had a few but I feel ya. Have fun. I'll get my drank on in a few days too. :bigjoint:

Maybe I'm too stupid for Organic living soils. :hump:
 
GrowUrOwnDank said:
Yeah thanx man I am sure you know your stuff. I'm kinda stupid. Explain it like the instructions on the back of a frozen pizza box. Step 1 preheat oven to 425. Step 2. Etc.

Thanks bro. I smoked my first bowl haven't had a few but I feel ya. Have fun. I'll get my drank on in a few days too. :bigjoint:

Maybe I'm too stupid for Organic living soils. :hump:
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Well shit I can make it simple.

If you do 1 part good soil or compost/1part vermiculite or perlite/1 part coco coir or peat moss.

First run or two water with microbe/compost teas completely, like every watering. After that I'm sure you're soil will have a fully suitable microbe colony to survive on water only as long as you keep it moist and alIve.

Correct me if I'm wrong any gurus out there.

My shit is only complete when I know all, so I will always be shitting.

Hahaha
 
As i stated in another post, most grow companies will not provide a ready to use mix of soil because there is not a large enough market for them to have a need to sell these types of mixes. they're dependent on you buying the bottles and using stuff up and and having to buy more. that being said, the beauty of the direction you are heading will make you less dependent on the grow store (or even not have to go at all!), and those big companies. not saying big companies are bad, but we all know what happens when billions of dollars are at stake, greed takes over (in most cases lol not all).

Recipe:

33% highest quality compost you can get your hands on, 33% drainage (pumice, rice hulls, lava rock, whatever you want to use), 33% sphagnum peat moss

amendments per cu. ft. of the above mix (cuft = 7.5 gallons)

1/2cup neem/karanja seed meal
1/2cup crab shell/meal
1/2cup kelp meal
1/2cup oyster shell flour
1/4cup alfalfa meal (optional)
3-4 cups of rock dust (using a variety of different dusts is good)

other optional amendments are
soft rock phosphate @ 1/2cup
gypsum @ 1/2cup
organic fish bone meal @ 1/2cup

mix all together and water in with a compost tea (earth worm castings + unsulfured molasses bubbled for 24-48 hrs) and keep it moist for 4-5 weeks before you plant into it.

this can be a no till recipe and is for many, or you can break each pot down after harvest and REUSE the soil by amending it with the same things you used to amend the first time, just at 1/4 or less of the strength, rewater with compost tea, and keep moist for a few weeks before planting into it.
 
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