Should the US support Israel forever ?

[heckler73]

"GTFO" to.. where exactly?

Why does IDF bomb identified UN refugee camps?

Because they use psychological warfare in conjunction with traditional incendiary devices.

And where are they supposed to go?

To the next target in their Jenga puzzle of concrete boxes.

 

[Johnnyorganic]

And where are they supposed to go?

Already asked and answered.

Try to keep up.

 

[Dr Kynes]

And where are they supposed to go?

the simple solution:

DONT LET HAMAS SET UP ROCKET BATTERIES IN YOUR FRONT YARD!

the "palestinian authority" is allegedly responsible for keeping hamas' model rocketry club in check, but they are either completely incompetent, or they are complicit.

if some fucknut group in texas started firing rockets into mexico, and the US and texas govts didnt put a stop to it with a quickness, mexico would be fully justified in sending their own troops across the border to stop the attacks, or responding in kind with rockets of their own.

apparently being jews robs the israelis of the same soveriegn rights, and the protected victim status of the pallies relieves them of their responsibilities.

 

[Jimdamick]

Already asked and answered.

Try to keep up.

Israel has been using Gaza as a public relations ploy, for what, 10 years? They have embargoed that area for 8, not allowing anything into it essentially, periodically even refusing to hand over aid money, which pushes the hatred of Israel even further towards Hamas. They FORCE this situation, knowing that it will show the world that they are peaceful, while the crazy Palestinians, launch rockets at them. They, the Israelites, have for DECADES. abused the rights of the Palestinians. In another Middle East democracy by the way, Hamas was ELECTED. You want to why, because Israel is worse. Oh, and as far as collateral damage, explain why 3 separate UN Refugee camps, after being giving the GPS POSITIONS OF EACH ONE, then they were struck by cannon fire, killing over 50 of the civilians that were told to evacuate to SAFE FUCKING LOCATIONS. Kiss my ass, as far as being warned to evacuate. The Israelis targeted every location possible, be it a hospital, or the beach. Israel might have won this battle, but they haven't won the war by a long shot. Shalom

 

[Harrekin]

Israel has a right to exist. Something Hamas refuses to acknowledge.

Before retaliating against rockets being fired into Israel from Gaza, the IDF warns civilians to GTFO.

Which means that your characterization of "Israel murdering civilians" is not entirely accurate.

Hamas encourages civilians to be human shields.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/07/13/world/meast/mideast-tensions/index.html

So Hamas has to recognise Israel whereas Israel refuses to acknowledge the Palestenian people as anything but dogs?

 

[Johnnyorganic]

Israel has been using Gaza as a public relations ploy, for what, 10 years? They have embargoed that area for 8, not allowing anything into it essentially, periodically even refusing to hand over aid money, which pushes the hatred of Israel even further towards Hamas. They FORCE this situation, knowing that it will show the world that they are peaceful, while the crazy Palestinians, launch rockets at them. They, the Israelites, have for DECADES. abused the rights of the Palestinians. In another Middle East democracy by the way, Hamas was ELECTED. You want to why, because Israel is worse. Oh, and as far as collateral damage, explain why 3 separate UN Refugee camps, after being giving the GPS POSITIONS OF EACH ONE, then they were struck by cannon fire, killing over 50 of the civilians that were told to evacuate to SAFE FUCKING LOCATIONS. Kiss my ass, as far as being warned to evacuate. The Israelis targeted every location possible, be it a hospital, or the beach. Israel might have won this battle, but they haven't won the war by a long shot. Shalom

Israel goes out of it's way to avoid civilian casualties on both sides of the conflict.

Ham Ass goes out of it's way to inflict civilian casualties on both sides of the conflict.

When the Ham Ass rockets fly, the IDF retaliates. Thus, the inevitable occurs.

And Palestinian stooges in the international community swallow the propaganda hook, line, and sinker.

 

[Harrekin]

Israel goes out of it's way to avoid civilian casualties on both sides of the conflict.

Ham Ass goes out of it's way to inflict civilian casualties on both sides of the conflict.

When the Ham Ass rockets fly, the IDF retaliates. Thus, the inevitable occurs.

And Palestinian stooges in the international community swallow the propaganda hook, line, and sinker.


That is a straw man fallacy. I never stated anything close to that.

And I challenge you to present me with a source proving your specious claim that "Israel refuses to acknowledge the Palestenian [sic] people as anything but dogs."

You need a source?

Its plainly obvious, you dumb schmuck.

 

[Johnnyorganic]

So Hamas has to recognise Israel whereas Israel refuses to acknowledge the Palestenian people as anything but dogs?

That is a straw man fallacy. I never stated anything even close to that.

And I challenge you to present me with a source proving your specious claim that "Israel refuses to acknowledge the Palestenian [sic] people as anything but dogs."

 

[Johnnyorganic]

You need a source?

Its plainly obvious, you dumb schmuck.

So you have nothing. No source.

Only silly name-calling.

Got it.

Although it is highly ironic that someone like you (anti-Semite) chose to use a Yiddish word in a hilarious attempt at insult.

Perhaps you should read your posts before rage-hitting the Reply to Thread button.

 

[Harrekin]

So you have nothing. No source.

Only silly name-calling.

Got it.

Although it is highly ironic that someone like you (anti-Semite) chose to use a Yiddish word in a hilarious attempt at insult.

Perhaps you should read your posts before rage-hitting the Reply to Thread button.

I don't hate Jews, dumbass, I oppose the subjugation of any people, especially by ones who use historical oppression as some kind of a justification.

 

[Johnnyorganic]

I don't hate Jews, dumbass, I oppose the subjugation of any people, especially by ones who use historical oppression as some kind of a justification.

Heavens to Mergatroid!

An anti-Semite is calling me names.

Whatever shall I do?

Hey Tough Guy, does your mock indignation really include all subjugation, or does it only apply when people you hate allegedly do it?

Methinks the latter is the most likely.

 

[Harrekin]

Heavens to Mergatroid!

An anti-Semite is calling me names.

Whatever shall I do?

Hey Tough Guy, does your mock indignation really include all subjugation, or does it only apply when people you hate allegedly do it?

Methinks the latter is the most likely.

I thought you might have actualky wanted to debate, nope, call me an antisemite and declare victory.

The military blockade of the Palestinian people is akin to Islamic States treatment of people in its occupied lands.

 

[Johnnyorganic]

I thought you might have actualky wanted to debate, nope, call me an antisemite and declare victory.

Your definition of debate must be uproariously different from mine.

Obviously, you didn't want a debate. Trying to insult someone who disagrees with you, by way of pedantic name-calling, is not debate.

It is capitulation.

Which means that I did not need to declare victory.

You declared defeat the very moment you revealed that all you had was silly insults.

The military blockade of the Palestinian people is akin to Islamic States treatment of people in its occupied lands.

Hamas does not recognize Israel's right to exist.

What option does Israel have?

Open borders and seas against a hostile territory ruled by an authority that does not recognize their right to exist?

Sit idly by while Hamas shoots rockets into their borders?

You apparently believe that the state of Israel, simply by existing, is solely responsible for all this.

Yet, I have seen nothing of you complaining about how other nations treat their Palestinians.

Egypt's border with Gaza is under blockade, too.
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jul/30/egypt-siding-israel-cost-gaza-dear

In Jordan, Palestinian refugees from Gaza, half a million of them, are refused Jordanian citizenship.
http://www.fmreview.org/FMRpdfs/FMR26/FMR2607.pdf

Palestinian refugees were recently deported from Jordan back into war-torn Syria from which they had fled. Syrian-born Palestinian refugees are routinely denied entry.
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2014/08/jordan-deports-palestinians-fleeing-syria-war-20148710735703862.html

Where is your weeping and gnashing of teeth for those Palestinians?

 

[MidwesternGro]

Hamas does not recognize Israel's right to exist.

What option does Israel have?

Apartheid is and was wrong, there should be a one state solution that is multicultural. The Palestinians should be treated equally and have a right of return just like the Jews do.

Black and white South Africans were at war and killing each other, yet they came together and formed a single state. Why can't Israel and Palestine?

Are you racist against Palestinians?

What is the difference between white and Jewish nationalism? Nothing. Both are wrong.

 

[UncleBuck]

fuck a one state solution, do a ten state solution. put an israel and a palestine on every continent. these fuckers need some room apart from each other.

 

[earnest_voice]

Israel goes out of it's way to avoid civilian casualties on both sides of the conflict.

 

[UncleBuck]

 

[Johnnyorganic]

Apartheid is and was wrong, there should be a one state solution that is multicultural. The Palestinians should be treated equally and have a right of return just like the Jews do.

There is no Apartheid. You are just parroting the anti-Israel propaganda.

There are thousands upon thousands of Palestinians living in Israel with full citizenship. There are those eligible to be Israeli citizens, but have refused it.

Palestinian Israelis enjoy the same freedoms as any other Israeli citizen.

West Bank and Gaza Strip are territories separated from Israel by political borders. Neither is a part of Israel.

Black and white South Africans were at war and killing each other, yet they came together and formed a single state. Why can't Israel and Palestine?

Do yourself a favor and read up on the history of Apartheid in South Africa. Because you obviously have no idea what you are talking about.

Hamas does not recognize Israel's right to exist.

How does one even begin negotiations when the opposite side wants you completely eliminated?

Are you racist against Palestinians?

Red herring.

Please provide any evidence where I have made any comment even remotely racist in nature pertaining to the Palestinian people.

What is the difference between white and Jewish nationalism? Nothing. Both are wrong.

Zionism? Jesus fucking Christ.

Israel is defending itself.

And what the hell do you think the push for Palestinian statehood is but Palestinian nationalism?

I notice you left that one out.

 

[earnest_voice]

The IDF has been staffed with terrorists since its inception (Irgun & Stern Gang). Palestinians have no where to go and those who do flee end up being shot at by Israeli soldiers.

http://www.smh.com.au/world/claims-israeli-soldiers-shot-fleeing-civilians-20140807-101ahr.html

 

[MidwesternGro]

Israel is a Jewish state with the right to return for all Jews, I just want the same EQUAL treatment for Palestinians. But they don't have that because Israel is an apartheid state that herds Palestinians into ghettos. The West Bank and Gaza strip are being devoured by Israel in the hope that the Palestinians will be forced off their land.

There are Palestinians within Israel, yet Israel is defined as a Jewish state. Would it be morally wrong for America to define itself as a white or Christian state? Why the double standard? What if America allowed a right to return for only white people?

What if America passed laws to protect the "white character" of the country like Israel does to protect its Jewish character?

Israel is a racist apartheid state. No wonder Kynes defends it.

There is no Apartheid. You are just parroting the anti-Israel propaganda.

There are thousands upon thousands of Palestinians living in Israel with full citizenship. There are those eligible to be Israeli citizens, but have refused it.

Palestinian Israelis enjoy the same freedoms as any other Israeli citizen.

West Bank and Gaza Strip are territories separated form Israel by political borders. Neither is a part of Israel.


Do yourself a favor and read up on the history of Apartheid in South Africa. Because you obviously have no idea what you are talking about.

Hamas does not recognize Israel's right to exist.

How does one even begin negotiations when the opposite side wants you completely eliminated?


Red herring.

Please provide any evidence where I have made any comment even remotely racist in nature pertaining to the Palestinian people.


Zionism? Jesus fucking Christ.

Israel is defending itself.

And what the hell do you think the push for Palestinian statehood is but Palestinian nationalism?

I notice you left that one out.