Who thinks they are NOT a slave....think again...you are

UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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Someacdude said:
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Ya know i used to drink , havent for almost 20 years and today i just cant stand to be around people who are drunk.


The same goes for being stupid,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
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ellipses are not generally done with commas, dummy.
 
Padawanbater2

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canndo said:
This is perhaps one way of looking at a situation. Let us look at it another way. You join a club. The club charges dues, for those dues you get certain priveleges and you may or may not take advantage of those priveleges. Someone else may. Should you renounce your memebership in that club, you are no longer entitled to those benefits. You don't get to use the club house or drink from that keg that everyone chipped into. Do you "own" that keg by virtue of your having paid for a portion of the contents? You do not. Every year a leader is chosen from among the club members, and he may alter the rules, but you are all a party to the rules because you selected the man making them. Are you his slave? Now certainly there is the fact that in real life you do not select the club, you are a defacto member by virtue of your being born in a certain place, but as I have said before, you are indeed free to join any other club that will have you.
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I think if you're going to support that argument, you would first need to address the inherent problems in the two party system of government, I for one don't think any part of the election process is legitimate, so I don't believe we are actually choosing anything. We're being given two choices to pick from, neither of which we really ever chose ourselves.

The issue is that every other club faces the same problem, and in a lot of them, it's much worse. The idea that this is the best option available doesn't preclude improvement.
 
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ChesusRice

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It's the end of the month and the bills are coming in. So Rob Roys parents are nagging him to get a job or move out
 
abandonconflict

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GOD HERE said:
Strange that a voluntaryist is posting an article from an anarchist blog, considering any anarchist would consider your views to fall under fascism, Rob Roy. As well as those of other right wing "libertarians".

Wage slavery is one of Anarchism's most hated social systems.
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Fascism is the upper right quadrant. Rob is a voluntaryist which is the bottom right. He is of the Spooner variety which is near the center unlike Rothbard which is far right.

Rob actually has anarchist tendencies. The nonaggression principal doesn't reconcile with private ownership of the economy. When people drift away from incorrect into the correct it is important to embrace them. Just my opinion.
 
abandonconflict

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Someacdude said:
The left here argue with rhetoric , basically bs since they cant think . I put most on ignore since absolutely nothing is gained from trying to have an adult conversation with them, i highly recommend it .
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You may be surprised who is actually left here. Obama and his minions are on the left side of the US spectrum but still right of center. There are a few authoritarian leftists though too such as Canndo.
 
GOD HERE

GOD HERE

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abandonconflict said:
Fascism is the upper right quadrant. Rob is a voluntaryist which is the bottom right. He is of the Spooner variety which is near the center unlike Rothbard which is far right.

Rob actually has anarchist tendencies. The nonaggression principal doesn't reconcile with private ownership of the economy. When people drift away from incorrect into the correct it is important to embrace them. Just my opinion.
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The quadrant system is deeply flawed. So in Rob Roy's voluntaryist world, where corporations run everything and democratic government doesn't exist, where in that cluster fuck do you find an anarchist idea? Other than distaste for government. He is replacing one hierarchy with another. There is nothing Anarchist about it.
 
abandonconflict

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GOD HERE said:
The quadrant system is deeply flawed. So in Rob Roy's voluntaryist world, where corporations run everything and democratic government doesn't exist, where in that cluster fuck do you find an anarchist idea? Other than distaste for government. He is replacing one hierarchy with another. There is nothing Anarchist about it.
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The grid is not flawed if the axis have the proper labels. He is not a fascist. Voluntaryism may not be anarchist but it isn't fascist either. Where I do see anarchist tendencies are in the writings of Spooner. He was a member of a trade union which really meant something then. I would even go so far as to describe Spooner as a socialist. If someone calls themself a Spoonerite before reading, I suggest guiding them, not rebuking them. He posted anarchist material and he is a Spoonerite.
 
GOD HERE

GOD HERE

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abandonconflict said:
The grid is not flawed if the axis have the proper labels. He is not a fascist. Voluntaryism may not be anarchist but it isn't fascist either. Where I do see anarchist tendencies are in the writings of Spooner. He was a member of a trade union which really meant something then. I would even go so far as to describe Spooner as a socialist. If someone calls themself a Spoonerite before reading, I suggest guiding them, not rebuking them. He posted anarchist material and he is a Spoonerite.
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Non authoritarian Right is an oxymoron, considering every right wing organization relies on authority. Voluntaryism would see corporations running everything, how is that non authoritarian?

I don't care how misguided he is, I'm not going to go out of my way to be polite to someone advocating an elimination of democracy in the hope that one day he'll see how idiotic his views are.
 
abandonconflict

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Democracy is just another authoritarian ocracy which requires everyone to participate. Fuck democracy. Fuck all ocracies. I would rather be polite than require participation in a power structure. I would even go out of my way to do so.

The subject was Rob Roy and he is to the left of many people you are polite to. He is not racist. He is always polite to those who are polite to him. He doesn't want to own or rule people. He is only interested in personal property and not wage slavery and most certainly not fascism.

Rob Roy is not an ancap.
 
canndo

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Padawanbater2 said:
I think if you're going to support that argument, you would first need to address the inherent problems in the two party system of government, I for one don't think any part of the election process is legitimate, so I don't believe we are actually choosing anything. We're being given two choices to pick from, neither of which we really ever chose ourselves.

The issue is that every other club faces the same problem, and in a lot of them, it's much worse. The idea that this is the best option available doesn't preclude improvement.
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Two? Three? six parties? I am talking in the theoretical, just as the original piece is. Specificly of course you are right, if you saw my rants about choice vs options, we can't have much in the way of a choice if go into Baskin Robbins and are offered either the vanilla... or the vanilla with sprinkles. "how abot the rasberry swirl"? no, not enough people like it for us to keep it in the cooler" "how do you know unless you put it in there", "we just know".
 
GOD HERE

GOD HERE

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abandonconflict said:
Democracy is just another authoritarian ocracy which requires everyone to participate. Fuck democracy. Fuck all ocracies. I would rather be polite than require participation in a power structure. I would even go out of my way to do so.

The subject was Rob Roy and he is to the left of many people you are polite to. He is not racist. He is always polite to those who are polite to him. He doesn't want to own or rule people. He is only interested in personal property and not wage slavery and most certainly not fascism.

Rob Roy is not an ancap.
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Anarchism is a radical form of democracy. Have you gone third way or something?
 
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