You Can't Afford A One-Bedroom Apartment On Minimum Wage

Padawanbater2 said:
Show me some numbers, something I can measure or test, anything. That's where the meat of this conversation lies. Although I value opinions, they don't answer anything conclusively and that's what's important.
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Translation: If you can't produce a study conducted by like minded, liberal douchebag academics who would immediately shitcan the whole thing if the results didn't match their agenda anyways, then obvious realities I and everyone else can plainly see, don't exist.

You are one of the dumbest, most naive libs posting on RIU and apparently you are compensated accordingly.
 
WeedFreak78 said:
Yeah because we all have magical crystal balls that will tell us what the job market will be like in 3,5,10 yrs..i went to a Voc school for machining in the early/mid 90's..when i started school it was $18-$20 STARTING pay, after 4yrs in Voc i couldn't find a starting wage over $11...but i guess i should have know the economy would tank...oh and i guess i should have known the crash of '08 was coming and started going to school back in '02 so when i lost my job I'd be right on top of the next hot market...:wall:..wizardry!!!!:dunce:
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It isn't a magic crystal ball. Its paying attention to what is going on around you instead of whatever else it was you did that ultimately lead to you making a poor career choice. You didn't look around in your Voc classes and think "fuck me, everyone here wants the same job I do, is this a good idea or not?"




Padawanbater2 said:
What about the people that didn't?

Is your solution to just say "fuck em"?

Seriously give this some thought
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What about them? Nothing, they just need to try something different.



An entrepreneur trying to establish a business is no different than an employee trying to make themselves desirable to an employer.
 
spandy said:
It isn't a magic crystal ball. Its paying attention to what is going on around you instead of whatever else it was you did that ultimately lead to you making a poor career choice. You didn't look around in your Voc classes and think "fuck me, everyone here wants the same job I do, is this a good idea or not?"






What about them? Nothing, they just need to try something different.



An entrepreneur trying to establish a business is no different than an employee trying to make themselves desirable to an employer.
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**RIU stupid political comment of the day recipient**
 
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MuyLocoNC said:
Translation: If you can't produce a study conducted by like minded, liberal douchebag academics who would immediately shitcan the whole thing if the results didn't match their agenda anyways, then obvious realities I and everyone else can plainly see, don't exist.

You are one of the dumbest, most naive libs posting on RIU and apparently you are compensated accordingly.
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Its hard to keep up with them all especially with UBs many screen names .... c4 etc..
Then we have schuylarr.. (AKA aunt bucky the 3rd)..... that's another subject though
 
schuylaar said:
**RIU stupid comment of the day recipient**
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Where is my trophy then?

You seriously don't see anything wrong in thousands upon thousands entering in a field of study when only hundreds of jobs will be available by the time their education/training is done?

And you used to make the big bucks, LOL.
 
MuyLocoNC said:
Translation: If you can't produce a study conducted by like minded, liberal douchebag academics who would immediately shitcan the whole thing if the results didn't match their agenda anyways, then obvious realities I and everyone else can plainly see, don't exist.

You are one of the dumbest, most naive libs posting on RIU and apparently you are compensated accordingly.
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That's an interesting way to throw out evidence; just label anything that doesn't agree with your conservative worldview as "liberal douchebag academics"

I'm sure nobody will suspect that..

"I'm right! Anything that says I'm not is liberal propaganda!"

I'm sure you'll win a lot of arguments that way..
 
NewtoMJ said:
I loved nursing, part of the reason I got out was I felt the healthcare industry has lost sight of what's important.

A motorbike right? If you peddled from Dublin to Jax... you're my new hero
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lol yes

although if you stay in GA for awhile you'll see something called BRAG, it's a bike ride across georgia. They do different routes from top to bottom or side to side. 100's of people much more badass than I am.

Agree with you on the shift in healthcare. No more small independent hospitals keeping liquor at the nurses stations for those "in need". No more doc Jones who would make house calls. Insurance has ruined the system, shame we made it worse when we had the chance.
 
spandy said:
It isn't a magic crystal ball. Its paying attention to what is going on around you instead of whatever else it was you did that ultimately lead to you making a poor career choice. You didn't look around in your Voc classes and think "fuck me, everyone here wants the same job I do, is this a good idea or not?"
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you..... are...... an....... idiot...
:dunce:
 
Padawanbater2 said:
THANK YOU for posting that last bit "imo"

That's what it is, your opinion. I'm fully open to the idea, and I suspect you're partly right, ease of access and the internet plays a part in the equation (and will be more significant as time passes and technology gets better), but you can't simply conclude that to be the case or indeed, the main cause of such slow economic growth and limited job creation without the evidence to back it up. Show me some numbers, something I can measure or test, anything. That's where the meat of this conversation lies. Although I value opinions, they don't answer anything conclusively and that's what's important.
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Well, I remember when Fred Meyer first came to my small town and the small lumber store and hardware store closed down because of the products were cheeper then what it took to keep their doors open. Then Walmart built a store across the street years later and then the internet became a big player in supplying products cheeper than the big guys and here we are.

Then you throw in some free trade agreements and shit on job creation some more and you have what we have here today.
An economy driven by the internet with fewer and fewer jobs for americans.

Unless you can produce a new product that isn't involved in the internet world things will continue to tighten up domestically. I can't show you numbers but I have seen how things are changing and the internet is becoming a problem for what small stores are left struggling. And I can see it becoming a problem for the big stores on merchandise other than food products.

I try to help the little guy here in Hawaii, I get my gas from a mom and pop gas station and a lot of my fresh greens at the farmers markets, and my coffee from local growers which is not cheap but tasty. So it looks like we as a culture are changing and it will not be good for the little guy. imo
 
Padawanbater2 said:
That's an interesting way to throw out evidence; just label anything that doesn't agree with your conservative worldview as "liberal douchebag academics"

I'm sure nobody will suspect that..

"I'm right! Anything that says I'm not is liberal propaganda!"

I'm sure you'll win a lot of arguments that way..
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Just like and your ilk throw out ANY evidence that doesn't come from "liberal douchebag approved" universities and organizations. "I only accept sources that are populated by liberal fucksticks who would NEVER cross the party line for fear of retribution from their own."
 
spandy said:
WTF do you think businesses do all day? Wing it?
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I've worked in multinational corporations..they never plan anything definitive more than 6 months out..because IT IS IMPOSSIBLE to know what's going to happen 1,2, 3, 5, 10 yrs out. How do you want to apply that logic to someone trying to figure out which 2,3,4 yr school will be relevant by they time they graduate? Just like them we need to make a decision now that we won't know the outcome of till years down the road.
 
ginwilly said:
I used to work with a GP from Turkey that needed to be reminded all the time to put which med on the Rx. His country he wrote the symptoms and diagnosis and the pharmacist who was more trained in meds decided the meds and dosage. That made so much more sense to me.

I understand that here, that would lead to fraud and abuse, but doctors already get accused of being in the pocket of big Pharma.
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...that's because they ARE in the pockets of Big Pharma- have you ever seen the parade of sales reps for the big drug companies going through doctor's offices? It's sickening!
 
WeedFreak78 said:
I've worked in multinational corporations..they never plan anything definitive more than 6 months out..because IT IS IMPOSSIBLE to know what's going to happen 1,2, 3, 5, 10 yrs out. How do you want to apply that logic to someone trying to figure out which 2,3,4 yr school will be relevant by they time they graduate? Just like them we need to make a decision now that we won't know the outcome of till years down the road.
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Thus is bullshit. Companies make five year plans all the time. They do adjust them regularly, but smart companies DO plan ahead.
 
WeedFreak78 said:
I've worked in multinational corporations..they never plan anything definitive more than 6 months out..because IT IS IMPOSSIBLE to know what's going to happen 1,2, 3, 5, 10 yrs out. How do you want to apply that logic to someone trying to figure out which 2,3,4 yr school will be relevant by they time they graduate? Just like them we need to make a decision now that we won't know the outcome of till years down the road.
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What company only plans out 6 months, lol. Thats like listening to the tv telling the whole nation that we are short of XYZ, and then expecting a half decade later for the pay to be the same even though many showed up and competition for jobs started years ago.


ttystikk said:
Thus is bullshit. Companies make five year plans all the time. They do adjust them regularly, but smart companies DO plan ahead.
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Smart employees should also plan ahead.
 
nitro harley said:
Well, I remember when Fred Meyer first came to my small town and the small lumber store and hardware store closed down because of the products were cheeper then what it took to keep their doors open. Then Walmart built a store across the street years later and then the internet became a big player in supplying products cheeper than the big guys and here we are.

Then you throw in some free trade agreements and shit on job creation some more and you have what we have here today.
An economy driven by the internet with fewer and fewer jobs for americans.

Unless you can produce a new product that isn't involved in the internet world things will continue to tighten up domestically. I can't show you numbers but I have seen how things are changing and the internet is becoming a problem for what small stores are left struggling. And I can see it becoming a problem for the big stores on merchandise other than food products.

I try to help the little guy here in Hawaii, I get my gas from a mom and pop gas station and a lot of my fresh greens at the farmers markets, and my coffee from local growers which is not cheap but tasty. So it looks like we as a culture are changing and it will not be good for the little guy. imo
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When i moved here 20+ yrs ago we had over a dozen small markets, multiple auto parts stores, 4 grocers, 2 clothing stores. Wal-mart moved into town the year after us. Within 5 yrs we lost 3/4 of the small businesses. Over the last 5 yrs the ones that did survive have been closing their doors..and now Wal-mart has been emptying shelves, not restocking, etc..because it's all going online...once they close down ..IDK what will happen around here. I saw how one store destroyed my local community and economy. Retail jobs have supported a large population of America for the last 50 yrs..but in those 50 we've lost those jobs and the majority of manufacturing jobs.

Yay America..so stop being stupid..go to college now for the jobs you KNOW will be here in 5 yrs ( dee,dee,dee:dunce:) and hope you have the skills to compete with hundreds of other who will be wiling to work for scraps..because i can tell you in corporate america..it doesn't matter what you know but how cheap will you do it for?:finger:
 
WeedFreak78 said:
I've worked in multinational corporations..they never plan anything definitive more than 6 months out..because IT IS IMPOSSIBLE to know what's going to happen 1,2, 3, 5, 10 yrs out. How do you want to apply that logic to someone trying to figure out which 2,3,4 yr school will be relevant by they time they graduate? Just like them we need to make a decision now that we won't know the outcome of till years down the road.
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He is avoiding the question and clouding the issue

We are the wealthiest country on the planet, anyone working 40 hours a week should be able to provide for themselves

What ever happened to fighting for the working man? Overtime, weekends... progress?

We've been bombarded by corporate propaganda for nearly half a century and it's been so effective you have working man fighting working man, instead of working man fighting to secure basic employee rights and fair wages
 
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