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Everyone should read about Hannibal, literally, I just read about him for like 4 hrs, and I don't know how to explain it except that I feel like I hardly know anything about him, but have respected no one greater in history.If he wasn't from Africa (he actually fought the Roman Empire before the time of Jesus, who was born within the Roman Empire), he would have been named our savior and Christ.He got the Roman Empire to ban the word peace, then at the end of his life (by suicide) Rome asked for his peaceful surrender .HE was the spirit of revolution on this planet, and was alive within less than 200 years of Jesus. He conquered Rome without ever entering the actual city of Rome. They made statues to him in the streets while the senate "regrouped".By all counts he had no "faith" in a religion. And I believe that is because he fought for his dead father, and knowing his family and allies supported him.There was NEVER a plot within his own men to kill Hannibal, and he never lost an allied nation. But his own nation treated him like a regular general throughout his life, and didn't offer him enough support to do what he needed to do. But I believe they thought of him as the "peace bringer" and probably thought they had won enough of Rome and it would never stop, while also disrespecting him for not sharing their faith.The term "I will either find a way or make one" is accredited to him.I am in awe that there is not a massive effort to learn as much about Hannibal, as there is to find facts about Jesus.

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No, everyone should really read about Hannibal.

Finshaggy said:

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goddamnit for thr last fucking time its because ie 10 and vbulletin dont fucking work with the fucking enter key switch your fucking browser

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Hannibal, he's got it all right. Did you like the part where he killed more then half his men crossing the Alps, basically to prove it could be done... on elephants even.
One of the greatest strategist ever to live.

sunni said:

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I've been on 2 computers and have 4 browsers if you include TOR. I'm just not allowed to click enter.

Hannibal? I thought Red Dragon was a much better book, the remake of the movie was very good too. The original was a good film but the remake was much better imo.

MojoRison said:

Hannibal, he's got it all right. Did you like the part where he killed more then half his men crossing the Alps, basically to prove it could be done... on elephants even.
One of the greatest strategist ever to live.

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I believe losing half his men is a testament to his will. His men followed him, because they suffered no worse than he did. And most of his major "strategies" were accidents. The plan for crossing the alps was the plan of a family member, and Hannibal was put into service when his "war lord" father died. He did it all for his family and allies. And when he did the pincer motion (his most remembered tactic) I think it was on accident. He just liked putting his brothers in the back ready for ambush, so he can be in the middle of battle and not have to worry about his family, or dying, because a relative would survive.

And he crossed the alps in 15 days, that's why so many people died. Accidents, shit falling. Rockfalls are actually very recorded on their journey, there is even a count of them getting trapped in a rock fall, but Hannibal had his men use vinegar and fire to desolve the rocks.

I don't think Hannibal's motives were that pure, like many others his motives were more basic, absolute power and nothing would stand in their way of achieving it.

MojoRison said:

I don't think Hannibal's motives were that pure, like many others his motives were more basic, absolute power and nothing would stand in their way of achieving it.

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Then you must know less about him than I do. He was famously hated on for not taking Rome. When I read about how his dad held him over a fire and promise NEVER to be a friend of Rome, after he showed excitement in wanting to engage in an overseas (Roman) war, I literally cried (I lost a family member recently) and realized that he did what his family had been trying to do for years (took Roman culture), then stopped and believed in the people's spirit of revolution. His peers told him "You know how to acheive victory, but not how to use it." I think when he was told that, he probably thought "Fuck you, I did everything we ever needed."

He just expected to probably meet with his family and peers, and swap crazy stories. Then he finds out he's the leading force of the whole carthigan military.

He wasn't like Napoleon or Hitler. He was just a kid that loved his families lifestyle, which happened to be "defend our stake from Rome, or take Rome itself." But as his father had said, NEVER become a friend of Rome.

He sat like 100 miles from Rome for like 15 years ruling Italy, while the roman senate pretended to still be in charge of their people.

and he wasn't there to destroy Rome, he was there to dismantle it.

I understood his family was a driving force behind his first campaigns and his love of family was a large portion of who he was, but it was also arrogance that fueled him as do most of the worlds conquerors. I'm not negating anything but sometimes the admiration can be tarnished by the brutality in which most of these men lives their lives.

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I understood his family was a driving force behind his first campaigns and his love of family was a large portion of who he was, but it was also arrogance that fueled him as do most of the worlds conquerors. I'm not negating anything but sometimes the admiration can be tarnished by the brutality in which most of these men lives their lives.

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It was not arrogance, it was the fact that he wanted to die for the cause. Just as most of his family did. And as quoted from his life before(edit: oops I posted Hannibal quotes on Facebook, it's not here, I'll get it though) he died an old man and wrote a funny letter about Rome before taking poison that he was long known to carry. LONG known to carry, which means he was most likely carrying it so that Rome would not capture him and use him against his own family and people.

and have you heard the gisgo quote? Right before his lightly armed force of 40,000 destroyed a heavily armed, heavily trained force of 90,000. He expected to die that day, but knew that some carthigans would survive since they came in last on the sides, while he ran in the middle.

I'm not saying he wasn't a great man and what he did wasn't worthy of merit, but I think you could call it arrogance when one feels he is the only force capable of conquering Rome.

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I'm not saying he wasn't a great man and what he did wasn't worthy of merit, but I think you could call it arrogance when one feels he is the only force capable of conquering Rome.

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He felt like that because he sat outside Rome for 15 years asking for reinforcement and getting none.

having to rely on Spanish and Celtic support, and his own ability to sway roman city states.

His own men (the carthigans) used light swords, spears and giant sheilds. Or rode bareback on horse with a sword or spear. And they were always instrumental in his planning. When his own nation left him with no more men, his ranks turned whiter and whiter. He needed carthigans.