Wisconsin Revolt

Who do you support in the Wisconsin Revolt?


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NewGrowth

Well-Known Member
Governors from 16 states are now attacking Unions.

This has turned into an all out war on what the workers get.

So if I understand things.. No Health care is a conservative ideal, No Abortion rights is a conservative ideal, No rights to collective bargaining is a conservative value and massive wars where we spend 2 billion dollars a week with no way to pay for it but to raise taxes on the workers who have been made poorer, is a conservative value.

Interesting.. Who among us believes this is a good direction for the American People?

16 States now in the fight..

It's happening for real...
"it's happening for real!" they are "attacking unions" man I'll be back later when I stop laughing
Where do you think all that money is coming from? Maybe uncle sam's golden goose?

Ps- I talked to a cashier at wal-mart the other day, she was suprised I was buying vegetable seeds because "things were getting bad" and not many people were buying them. UPDATE wal-mart employees have more common sense than the state of California!
 

ink the world

Well-Known Member
Looks like the bill passed without the need for the democrats after all. Maybe next time they can stay and do their job. Hahaha I’m sure their union supporters are real happy they ran and hid now. I wonder how many will try to use state funds to pay for their retreat. I wonder how many used union money.
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_WISCONSIN_BUDGET_UNIONS?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2011-03-09-19-45-22
I wonder how long it will be before the bill gets struck down in court seeing as how they violated state law with that meeting?......even if the law stands I hope you realize that in winning this battle your side has probably lost the war......Look at the polls, there is no support for this......typical over reach just like in the 90's and they will pay the price at the polls just as they did then.

I have to ask Bud, do you also support the Michigan "rescue" bill? You know the one that would allow the governor to declare a municipality to be in "economic emergency"? he would then appoint someone to oversee that ,municipality single handed and would grant this person the power to dissolve a municipality and its elected government? Sounds a lot like a dictatorship.

To all you teabaggers, if you REALLY CARE AT ALL about democracy you will fight this one tooth and nail. Time to see if the Tea Party movement is really about protecting the constitution.....My guess, they wont touch the issue at all.
 

Rob Roy

Well-Known Member
speaking of lies, nobody is 'monopolizing' the system. there's plenty of private schools for the rich to attend.

a monopolized, government-run, health care system could reduce costs, increase coverage, and improve the health care system of a country. it can also reduce quality and all those negative things you keep blabering on about...

but generally speaking people that are covered by socialized medicine are better covered. even in the US, where Medicare can be used as an example.


and the only one that keeps bringing up the Communist Manifesto here is you. you seem to be obsessed with it..... are you a communist???:-P
Public schools represent a monopoly of sorts. Can you or I start a school and offer people the option of coming to our school, paying us for this service they are WILLINGLY purchasing from us and NOT paying for the "government school" they do NOT want? Where's THAT option? Absent THAT option, government schools ARE a monopoly.

You seem to have gone to the Uncle Buck school of Politeness. Let's be a little more civil okay?

What I am "blabbering" about is something you nor the other so-called liberal contingent here ever quite address.
Your desired systems, public schools, "free" healthcare etc. have their basis in FORCED participation. IF those systems gave the value you claim they do, why must government force their "customers" to pay for them? If they were really all that good, wouldn't people flock to them like they do to a successful private business? .....I await your specific answer on that question.

Your justifications for the systems you advocate boil down to redistributing wealth by force. You can dress your arguments up with all the "good" outcomes you imagine will happen, mountains of statistics, side stepping arguments, insults etc. but you never can get around that statism runs contrary to liberty...always. Statism IS force, NOT freedom. You advocate using force against peaceful people.

I bring up the Communist manifesto to illustrate the similarity in education goals. The tenth plank of the Communist manifesto involves
State run schools. So, no I am not a Communist. You are the one that endorses a Communist platform, forced funded public education, not me.

I'm a Voluntaryist. Despite the many attempts of people here to Strawman my beliefs, I will reiterate them. I believe you have the right to make decisions that affect you, but that your rights end where mine begin and vice versa. I respect your right to own yourself, your property and your labor. Live and let live. Consensual transactions that do not involve coercion or fraud are honest, thus I reject statism
and institutionalized violence renamed as "charity". Charity to be charity must be freely given.

If I were political and sometimes I am when trying to work towards incrementally shrinking government, I lean toward Libertarianism, but any institution like government that says it provides "choice" by allowing people to elect their master is designed to fool people. I find much fault with both modern day Democrats and Republicans.

I reject the idea that making somebody do what I think is best for them is within the province of my control, the exception being if they are violating another persons right to be left alone, defensive force is acceptable. I reject the idea that any human being or group of human beings has any right to initiate force, even if it's dressed up under the guise of "majority will" or "that's what's best for society" or other such rationalizations to use government as your strongman.

Yes, I believe in DEFENSIVE force, but think state sponsored violence is wrong and I am committed to not enabling that. State sponsored violence both FOREIGN and DOMESTIC is wrong. Many liberals rail on about foreign wars and how THAT kind of violence is bad...then out of the other side of their mouth they clamor to use government sponsored violence here in the United States against their neighbor when he rejects giving up his labor towards something he doesn't endorse and his liberal neighbor insists he fund.

Your actions indicate you will not only enable state sponsored violence, by endorsing forced redistibution and participation, you will load the gun for them. You cannot achieve "good" through forcing peaceful people to live the way YOU want them to, without the basis being mired in force. Liberals never quite address that and reject my more peaceful approach or rely on rationalizations and dismissive insults when their cognitive dissonance kicks in.

The truth that you and others here REPEATEDLY FAIL to address or acknowledge...My methods are founded in peace, yours are not...deal with it.

I'm not here to get my rocks off "winning arguments" or insulting people. I'm here to see things for the way they are and deal with people honestly. Your desired outcome is good, you profess to want to help people, I commend you for that. Your method of achieving a "good" is wrong though, morally wrong.

I'm not here to defend the rich or the poor, I'm here to defend EVERYONE'S right of self determination and advance those ideas that lead to freedom and personal choice for peaceful people, be they rich or poor. The outcomes in life for each of us may vary, some will achieve much, some will be unable to get our of their own way thru laziness, bad luck, or accident of birth. Helping the downtrodden is good if you desire to. I volunteer, but would never dream of forcing you to. It has been my experience that many people do not show up at volunteer projects...too busy bitching about what somebody else has I guess. By the way how many homeless people did YOU feed last week? I feed 3, housed 2.

You seem to be here to champion "solutions" by telling others what they will or will not do. That strikes me as contradictory on a Pot forum, where most people seem to "get" self ownership regarding the Cannabis issue. Why don't you "get" that if somebody has a right to own THEIR body, they also have a right to determine what they will or will not do with their labor, their money or their property?

In short, leave others alone and leading by example makes more sense to me than asking government to make peaceful people comply with MY vision of what they should do.
 

BudMcLovin

Active Member
I have to ask Bud, do you also support the Michigan "rescue" bill? You know the one that would allow the governor to declare a municipality to be in "economic emergency"? he would then appoint someone to oversee that ,municipality single handed and would grant this person the power to dissolve a municipality and its elected government? Sounds a lot like a dictatorship.

To all you teabaggers, if you REALLY CARE AT ALL about democracy you will fight this one tooth and nail. Time to see if the Tea Party movement is really about protecting the constitution.....My guess, they wont touch the issue at all.

I haven’t heard about Michigan’s “rescue bill”. If it’s how you describe it then I would defiantly think its bull shit. Let the local municipality decide when they need and if they need state assistance. The local people created it so they should be the ones who decide when to call it quits. \

But I’m not sure if the U.S. Constitution would offer much protection from it. It doesn’t tell state’s how to operate or how to set their local governments and that’s what it sounds like the state restructuring local governments.
 

newatit2010

Well-Known Member
My wife is not very political but she seen the unions from last night breaking into the capital. She says they look like a bunch of animals with no respect for any thing or any body. Still laughing my ass off.
 

londonfog

Well-Known Member
Looks like the bill passed without the need for the democrats after all. Maybe next time they can stay and do their job. Hahaha I’m sure their union supporters are real happy they ran and hid now. I wonder how many will try to use state funds to pay for their retreat. I wonder how many used union money.
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_WISCONSIN_BUDGET_UNIONS?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2011-03-09-19-45-22
Dude this did nothing but strengthen the Democratic party...in a way I thank Wisconsin Repukes for this stunt for it has awaken a beast...I know that most of you are young and don't take the time to learn your history so let me help by showing some of the things Unions have done for thsi country.

1.Unions Helped End Child Labor

2.Unions Gave Us Fair Wages And Relative Income Equality

3.Unions Won Widespread Employer-Based Health Coverage

4.Unions Spearheaded The Fight For The Family And Medical Leave Act

5.Unions Gave Us The Weekend

I will keep the list short in case anyone wants to argue my point...Too many things might confuse you..
 

Carne Seca

Well-Known Member
Dude this did nothing but strengthen the Democratic party...in a way I thank Wisconsin Repukes for this stunt for it has awaken a beast...I know that most of you are young and don't take the time to learn your history so let me help by showing some of the things Unions have done for thsi country.

1.Unions Helped End Child Labor

2.Unions Gave Us Fair Wages And Relative Income Equality

3.Unions Won Widespread Employer-Based Health Coverage

4.Unions Spearheaded The Fight For The Family And Medical Leave Act

5.Unions Gave Us The Weekend

I will keep the list short in case anyone wants to argue my point...Too many things might confuse you..
Oh they don't argue. They would rather ignore the main point and draw you into some small point that has no bearing on the main issue. Then they start yelling about how YOU won't address their little side issue and completely highjack the thread for three or four pages.
 

newatit2010

Well-Known Member
Dude this did nothing but strengthen the Democratic party...in a way I thank Wisconsin Repukes for this stunt for it has awaken a beast...I know that most of you are young and don't take the time to learn your history so let me help by showing some of the things Unions have done for thsi country.

1.Unions Helped End Child Labor

2.Unions Gave Us Fair Wages And Relative Income Equality

3.Unions Won Widespread Employer-Based Health Coverage

4.Unions Spearheaded The Fight For The Family And Medical Leave Act

5.Unions Gave Us The Weekend

I will keep the list short in case anyone wants to argue my point...Too many things might confuse you..

Yes the unions gave the cities,state and the federal government debt they can not afforded
Yes the unions 3.5 million members gave the union halls millions to give the democrats and make the bosses rich(not their retire funds)
Yes the unions want the same power as the world unions(greece) so they can close the country down.
Yes the unions will help odumbass with his billion dollar reelection(they have no fu*king choice)
And Yes the unions will lose this fight and they will find out the union bosses give a shit less of them.
Yes the union had their days but is just a political pawn now.
Yes went the tax payer is not paying the bill for union members maybe they will find out where the money(union dues) has been going for YEARS.
 

Carne Seca

Well-Known Member
Yes the unions gave the cities,state and the federal government debt they can not afforded
Yes the unions 3.5 million members gave the union halls millions to give the democrats and make the bosses rich(not their retire funds)
Yes the unions want the same power as the world unions(greece) so they can close the country down.
Yes the unions will help odumbass with his billion dollar reelection(they have no fu*king choice)
And Yes the unions will lose this fight and they will find out the union bosses give a shit less of them.
Yes the union had their days but is just a political pawn now.
Yes went the tax payer is not paying the bill for union members maybe they will find out where the money(union dues) has been going for YEARS.
Proof?

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londonfog

Well-Known Member
Yes the unions gave the cities,state and the federal government debt they can not afforded
Yes the unions 3.5 million members gave the union halls millions to give the democrats and make the bosses rich(not their retire funds)
Yes the unions want the same power as the world unions(greece) so they can close the country down.
Yes the unions will help odumbass with his billion dollar reelection(they have no fu*king choice)
And Yes the unions will lose this fight and they will find out the union bosses give a shit less of them.
Yes the union had their days but is just a political pawn now.
Yes went the tax payer is not paying the bill for union members maybe they will find out where the money(union dues) has been going for YEARS.
Case in point...here we have someone that states alot but with zero facts..just opinions...I know its hard to use facts when you have a pointless argurment but please try...any links to prove your points (opinions) if not then .............PEOPLE LETS USE FACTS IN WHAT YOU SAY....
 

NewGrowth

Well-Known Member
Public schools represent a monopoly of sorts. Can you or I start a school and offer people the option of coming to our school, paying us for this service they are WILLINGLY purchasing from us and NOT paying for the "government school" they do NOT want? Where's THAT option? Absent THAT option, government schools ARE a monopoly.

You seem to have gone to the Uncle Buck school of Politeness. Let's be a little more civil okay?

What I am "blabbering" about is something you nor the other so-called liberal contingent here ever quite address.
Your desired systems, public schools, "free" healthcare etc. have their basis in FORCED participation. IF those systems gave the value you claim they do, why must government force their "customers" to pay for them? If they were really all that good, wouldn't people flock to them like they do to a successful private business? .....I await your specific answer on that question.

Your justifications for the systems you advocate boil down to redistributing wealth by force. You can dress your arguments up with all the "good" outcomes you imagine will happen, mountains of statistics, side stepping arguments, insults etc. but you never can get around that statism runs contrary to liberty...always. Statism IS force, NOT freedom. You advocate using force against peaceful people.

I bring up the Communist manifesto to illustrate the similarity in education goals. The tenth plank of the Communist manifesto involves
State run schools. So, no I am not a Communist. You are the one that endorses a Communist platform, forced funded public education, not me.

I'm a Voluntaryist. Despite the many attempts of people here to Strawman my beliefs, I will reiterate them. I believe you have the right to make decisions that affect you, but that your rights end where mine begin and vice versa. I respect your right to own yourself, your property and your labor. Live and let live. Consensual transactions that do not involve coercion or fraud are honest, thus I reject statism
and institutionalized violence renamed as "charity". Charity to be charity must be freely given.

If I were political and sometimes I am when trying to work towards incrementally shrinking government, I lean toward Libertarianism, but any institution like government that says it provides "choice" by allowing people to elect their master is designed to fool people. I find much fault with both modern day Democrats and Republicans.

I reject the idea that making somebody do what I think is best for them is within the province of my control, the exception being if they are violating another persons right to be left alone, defensive force is acceptable. I reject the idea that any human being or group of human beings has any right to initiate force, even if it's dressed up under the guise of "majority will" or "that's what's best for society" or other such rationalizations to use government as your strongman.

Yes, I believe in DEFENSIVE force, but think state sponsored violence is wrong and I am committed to not enabling that. State sponsored violence both FOREIGN and DOMESTIC is wrong. Many liberals rail on about foreign wars and how THAT kind of violence is bad...then out of the other side of their mouth they clamor to use government sponsored violence here in the United States against their neighbor when he rejects giving up his labor towards something he doesn't endorse and his liberal neighbor insists he fund.

Your actions indicate you will not only enable state sponsored violence, by endorsing forced redistibution and participation, you will load the gun for them. You cannot achieve "good" through forcing peaceful people to live the way YOU want them to, without the basis being mired in force. Liberals never quite address that and reject my more peaceful approach or rely on rationalizations and dismissive insults when their cognitive dissonance kicks in.

The truth that you and others here REPEATEDLY FAIL to address or acknowledge...My methods are founded in peace, yours are not...deal with it.

I'm not here to get my rocks off "winning arguments" or insulting people. I'm here to see things for the way they are and deal with people honestly. Your desired outcome is good, you profess to want to help people, I commend you for that. Your method of achieving a "good" is wrong though, morally wrong.

I'm not here to defend the rich or the poor, I'm here to defend EVERYONE'S right of self determination and advance those ideas that lead to freedom and personal choice for peaceful people, be they rich or poor. The outcomes in life for each of us may vary, some will achieve much, some will be unable to get our of their own way thru laziness, bad luck, or accident of birth. Helping the downtrodden is good if you desire to. I volunteer, but would never dream of forcing you to. It has been my experience that many people do not show up at volunteer projects...too busy bitching about what somebody else has I guess. By the way how many homeless people did YOU feed last week? I feed 3, housed 2.

You seem to be here to champion "solutions" by telling others what they will or will not do. That strikes me as contradictory on a Pot forum, where most people seem to "get" self ownership regarding the Cannabis issue. Why don't you "get" that if somebody has a right to own THEIR body, they also have a right to determine what they will or will not do with their labor, their money or their property?

In short, leave others alone and leading by example makes more sense to me than asking government to make peaceful people comply with MY vision of what they should do.
Well said! :clap: State education and central banking are two pillars of a communist society. Hitler just loved state education :wink: fascism or socialism, no thanks I'll pass.
 

Johnnyorganic

Well-Known Member
Dude this did nothing but strengthen the Democratic party...in a way I thank Wisconsin Repukes for this stunt for it has awaken a beast...I know that most of you are young and don't take the time to learn your history so let me help by showing some of the things Unions have done for thsi country.

1.Unions Helped End Child Labor
How many children were schoolteachers before the glorious, heroic unions spared them from such drudgery?

2.Unions Gave Us Fair Wages And Relative Income Equality
Government employees enjoy those without union influence. See Right to Work states.

Unions also gave us the union shop, which is complete bullshit. Joining a union should not be a condition for accepting a job.

3.Unions Won Widespread Employer-Based Health Coverage
Nope. That was a product of WW II, when President For Life FDR decreed wage and price controls for entire industries. Employers were forced to add benefits like health coverage as inducements to retain employees to whom they could not otherwise offer raises.

4.Unions Spearheaded The Fight For The Family And Medical Leave Act
Another good reason to oppose unions. All that does is coddle brokedicks and raise the cost of doing business.

5.Unions Gave Us The Weekend
Poppycock. The weekend existed long before unions came along.

And even now, many people work weekends.

Entrepreneurs.

Business owners.

Convenience store clerks.

Hotel Employees.

I will keep the list short in case anyone wants to argue my point...Too many things might confuse you..
I'll take your word on that. :-P
 

MrDank007

Well-Known Member
What we know is there is a huge budget shortfall. What I will speculate is that a lot of this is transparent as mud and there are many reasons the unions do not want to lift the government guarantee on the pensions. Other than a gov guarantee up until now made you bulletproof in the financial market. All return, no risk. That in and of itself is irresponible policy for the tax base.

But I can not see how this can not benifit the unions own best interest and not just the workers. I highly doubt those high up in the unions are making $40-$50k annually and driving around in a prius. In my best estimate, their motives are not soley to be the champions of working men and women. And I would not be suprised if they are as bad as the boys on Wallstreet you guys so vehemenly hate. I would be interested if anyone could post a link on this. I know how the game is played and what they could be doing, but I would like to see evidence as well.
 

Johnnyorganic

Well-Known Member
What follows is an email which was sent to Republican lawmakers in Wisconsin Wednesday night.

Please put your things in order because you will be killed and your familes will also be killed due to your actions in the last 8 weeks. Please explain
to them that this is because if we get rid of you and your families then it will save the rights of 300,000 people and also be able to close the deficit
that you have created. I hope you have a good time in hell. Read below for more information on possible scenarios in which you will die.

WE want to make this perfectly clear. Because of your actions today and in the past couple of weeks I and the group of people that are working with me
have decided that we've had enough. We feel that you and the people that support the dictator have to die. We have tried many other ways of dealing
with your corruption but you have taken things too far and we will not stand for it any longer. So, this is how it's going to happen: I as well as many
others know where you and your family live, it's a matter of public records. We have all planned to assult you by arriving at your house and putting a
nice little bullet in your head. However, we decided that we wouldn't leave it there. We also have decided that this may not be enough to send the
message to you since you are so "high" on Koch and have decided that you are now going to single handedly make this a dictatorship instead of a
demorcratic process. So we have also built several bombs that we have placed in various locations around the areas in which we know that you frequent.
This includes, your house, your car, the state capitol, and well I won't tell you all of them because that's just no fun. Since we know that you are
not smart enough to figure out why this is happening to you we have decided to make it perfectly clear to you. If you and your goonies feel that it's
necessary to strip the rights of 300,000 people and ruin their lives, making them unable to feed, clothe, and provide the necessities to their families
and themselves then We Will "get rid of" (in which I mean kill) you. Please understand that this does not include the heroic Rep. Senator that risked
everything to go aganist what you and your goonies wanted him to do. We feel that it's worth our lives to do this, because we would be saving the lives
of 300,000 people. Please make your peace with God as soon as possible and say goodbye to your loved ones we will not wait any longer. YOU WILL DIE!!!!
http://www.620wtmj.com/news/local/117732923.html

Kindly inform us once more about how peaceful and law-abiding union goons and their sympathizers are. :lol:

This squares nicely with Proggie lecturing and grousing over 'violent' Teabaggers.

LOL?

LOL!
 

redivider

Well-Known Member
How many children were schoolteachers before the glorious, heroic unions spared them from such drudgery?

how many children worked in sweatshops in the US, before unions?? over a million. here in your precious US. just like in all those unpleasant countries.


Government employees enjoy those without union influence. See Right to Work states.

it is now a proven fact that government workers earn less than private sector employees. the only reason the average is larger is b/c government workers are better prepared.

Unions also gave us the union shop, which is complete bullshit. Joining a union should not be a condition for accepting a job.

if there's 300 employees, and 300 are unionized and they decide every employee should be unionized at that company, then democracy says that 'union shop' should exist, it's only fair. if you don't like it, try to find a job somewhere else. period.

Nope. That was a product of WW II, when President For Life FDR decreed wage and price controls for entire industries. Employers were forced to add benefits like health coverage as inducements to retain employees to whom they could not otherwise offer raises.

another common misconception. wwII and FDR were there at the time, and they played a role, but employers were forced to add benefits b/c workers staged huge, unprecedented strikes that completely shut down some sectors of the economy and made them loose huge amounts of money. read a history book, for once.

Another good reason to oppose unions. All that does is coddle brokedicks and raise the cost of doing business.

another lie. coddle brokedicks?? theres evidence that suggests that having great health care coverage that includes maternity and paternity leave saves money in training costs, and increases productivity. maybe it's the fact that you know that your kids are gettng coverage that leads to less heart attacks or something.....


Poppycock. The weekend existed long before unions came along.

And even now, many people work weekends.

the individual days existed. but before unions rose up people worked 7 days a week, 14 hours a day. that's not poppycock. you tell my grandpappy he didn't have to work 14 hour days 7 days a week to make ends meet when he was in his 20s, you'll have an earful of COLD HARD TRUTH. you'll get a lesson in how unionized labor helped the workplace become safer, friendlier, and BETTER.

not really the 'negativity' your trying to associate with unions.


Entrepreneurs.

Business owners.

Convenience store clerks.

Hotel Employees.


I'll take your word on that.
and here's ten characgters.
 

redivider

Well-Known Member
What we know is there is a huge budget shortfall. What I will speculate is that a lot of this is transparent as mud and there are many reasons the unions do not want to lift the government guarantee on the pensions. Other than a gov guarantee up until now made you bulletproof in the financial market. All return, no risk. That in and of itself is irresponible policy for the tax base.

But I can not see how this can not benifit the unions own best interest and not just the workers. I highly doubt those high up in the unions are making $40-$50k annually and driving around in a prius. In my best estimate, their motives are not soley to be the champions of working men and women. And I would not be suprised if they are as bad as the boys on Wallstreet you guys so vehemenly hate. I would be interested if anyone could post a link on this. I know how the game is played and what they could be doing, but I would like to see evidence as well.
post based on NOISE. a bunch of assumption, little to back it up....
 

MrDank007

Well-Known Member
post based on NOISE. a bunch of assumption, little to back it up....
I wouldn't say noise and it was more of a challenge for someone on either side to say yes or no with support. I made very clear that I was speculating, but at least with sound reason which is more than I can say more the majority of a few people's post.
 

Johnnyorganic

Well-Known Member
Why do you insist on responding to my statements inside my quote?

how many children worked in sweatshops in the US, before unions?? over a million. here in your precious US. just like in all those unpleasant countries.
Were they government sweatshops?

My point is this. There is a big distinction between public employee unions and private sector unions. I am much more tolerant of the latter because their demands are limited by the market. If a company cannot meet the demands of the union thugs, they can't run the business at a loss to appease said thugs. Not so in the public sphere, where government can run at a loss until the wheels fall off the wagon.

Which is at the point we are now, by the way. Hence the union temper tantrums.

it is now a proven fact that government workers earn less than private sector employees. the only reason the average is larger is b/c government workers are better prepared.
Not true. Government workers are compensated far beyond their counterparts in the private sector.

Better prepared to do what?

Sit on their ass all day?

Be surly to the same people they are paid to serve?

if there's 300 employees, and 300 are unionized and they decide every employee should be unionized at that company, then democracy says that 'union shop' should exist, it's only fair. if you don't like it, try to find a job somewhere else. period.
No, it's not fair. It's like saying that because someone did not serve in the armed forces, they are not entitled to the blessings of Liberty.

And if a public school teacher, or any other government hack, does not like their compensation package, they can find a job somewhere else, too.

another common misconception. wwII and FDR were there at the time, and they played a role, but employers were forced to add benefits b/c workers staged huge, unprecedented strikes that completely shut down some sectors of the economy and made them loose huge amounts of money. read a history book, for once.
I hold a degree in History. I have read many history books. I stand by my statement. If you disbelieve me, perhaps YOU should read a history book.

Those strikes you mention occurred AFTER the war ended. And the driving factor was wages, which had been artificially held down during the war. My favorite one is the nation-wide rail workers strike which was so severe that Truman was announcing that he intended to draft rail workers if they did not end the strike. He was handed the message that the unions blinked just as he was beginning to make the announcement. Ironically, the industry that the strike effectively killed was passenger rail; which Proggies claim to love. Freight survived.

another lie. coddle brokedicks?? theres evidence that suggests that having great health care coverage that includes maternity and paternity leave saves money in training costs, and increases productivity. maybe it's the fact that you know that your kids are gettng coverage that leads to less heart attacks or something.....
My response was in reference to the Family and Medical Leave Act.

Forcing business to allow employees to leave for up to six weeks puts enormous strains on business. The costs associated with compliance are passed along to the consumer.

Although forcing business to do anything by regulation (like providing health coverage) raises costs regardless of the intentions.

the individual days existed. but before unions rose up people worked 7 days a week, 14 hours a day. that's not poppycock. you tell my grandpappy he didn't have to work 14 hour days 7 days a week to make ends meet when he was in his 20s, you'll have an earful of COLD HARD TRUTH. you'll get a lesson in how unionized labor helped the workplace become safer, friendlier, and BETTER.

not really the 'negativity' your trying to associate with unions.
Organized crime.

Death threats.

Intimidation.

Negative enough for you?

and here's ten characgters.
Twenty-five by my count.
 
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