Wisconsin Revolt

Who do you support in the Wisconsin Revolt?

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newatit2010

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I am glad to see the unions can still buy votes, got the judge elected. There goes the union members money, way to go you stupid bastards.
 
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Coolwhip

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NoDrama said:
that graph is just showing the effects of the Bailout, the big return upwards starting in 2009 ( Coincidentally so did the stock market). the next uptick starting right before 2011 is the effect of QE1, you won't see the effects of the 4-5 billion dollar a day monetization of debt we are doing right now (QE2) until next year at the earliest. If 800 billion can move it up 3%, how much will $4 trillion? If they attempt to stop QE you will see a massive freefall in the markets and quickly appreciating treasury yields, all of which spell disaster for the US.
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What is your point? I said we had negative inflation, you said "no we don't" and posted a chart that still shows disinflation...along with statements that are making it more and more clear that you don't know what you are talking about.

Some inflation is normal, wanted even. In fact, inflation could go a long way in helping our economy by closing our trade deficit. And we were battling defation(or disinflation according to you) for 2 years, deflation is much worse than inflation if left unchecked, it is nearly impossible to stop once it gets going. I would much rather have few years of raised inflation(especially when we are running a trade deficit) than enter a deflationary cycle.
 
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Carthoris

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Coolwhip said:
What is your point? I said we had negative inflation, you said "no we don't" and posted a chart that still shows disinflation...along with statements that are making it more and more clear that you don't know what you are talking about.

Some inflation is normal, wanted even. In fact, inflation could go a long way in helping our economy by closing our trade deficit. And we were battling defation(or disinflation according to you) for 2 years, deflation is much worse than inflation if left unchecked, it is nearly impossible to stop once it gets going. I would much rather have few years of raised inflation(especially when we are running a trade deficit) than enter a deflationary cycle.
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The chart he posted shower deflation for 6 months maybe and disinflation for about a year.
 
Mr Neutron

Mr Neutron

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Coolwhip said:
Some inflation is normal, wanted even.
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In who's world, other than the Fed and their banker cohorts?
From 1790-1913 the dollar rose in value by 8-11%, depending on the source but it did go up.
From1913-2011 the dollar decreased in value by 93-95%, again depending on the source.
... and this is good?

"The entire world economy rests on the consumer; if he ever stops spending money he doesn't have on things he doesn't need -- we're done for."
Bill Bonner
 
Ernst

Ernst

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Update:

The election for the Wisconsin Supreme court had the Democrat contender winning until three days after the election votes are found on a private computer and are claimed to have been "forgotten."

The Woman who had them on her private computer is a Republican government employee and the number of votes is exactly the number needed to over take the democrat in the race.

Wisconsin Supreme Court race canvass continues

By: CNN's Rebecca Stewart
(CNN) - Waukesha County vote totals may have caused a stir in the Wisconsin Supreme Court election Thursday, but as vote results from additional counties become official, Justice David Prosser continues to lead JoAnne Kloppenburg.
The results from Waukesha County became official Friday, and were added to the Wisconsin state Government Accountability Board's website of officially reporting counties. Ballots from the city of Brookfield that had been left out of unofficial vote totals were discovered, changing the final vote tally and swinging results in the favor of Prosser in that county.

The Wisconsin state Government Accountability Board has added canvass results from 53 counties and 19 still remain. Vote totals tabulated from each county of the 53 reflect that Prosser leads Kloppenburg by roughly 100,000 votes. Of the nineteen counties remaining, canvass vote totals from populous Milwaukee and Kenosha are still outstanding.
Kloppenburg, who received support from unions during her campaign, declared victory on Wednesday, the day after the election. But the canvassing of Waukesha County, a large county which experienced higher-than-usual voter turnout, revealed votes that through "human error" were left out of unofficial tallies given to the media.
Though the Wisconsin Supreme Court election is nonpartisan, independent partisan groups have spent more than $2.5 million on television commercials to influence the outcome. The court is divided 4-3 between conservative and liberal-leaning justices. If opposition to Gov. Scott Walker's anti-union legislation that limits collective bargaining rights advances to the Supreme Court, a partisan split on the bench could affect a ruling decision. Prosser is thought to be sympathetic to Walker's actions, taken in an effort to rein in Wisconsin's budget. Unions have thrown their support behind Kloppenburg, hoping that a victory in the election will give them an advocate on the bench.
The Wisconsin state Government Accountability Board has not certified the results for the April 5 election and will not do so until all of the results are received.
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Carthoris

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Ernst said:
Update:

The election for the Wisconsin Supreme court had the Democrat contender winning until three days after the election votes are found on a private computer and are claimed to have been "forgotten."

The Woman who had them on her private computer is a Republican government employee and the number of votes is exactly the number needed to over take the democrat in the race.
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Well, it isn't like they were just a tally on her computer and we are taking them at face value, is it? The number is the official votes for the city and they just weren't included. Trying something like this illegitimately would be so easy to prove that I really don't think it anyone would try it. Honestly, I don't know which would bother me more. Here are your options:

Retards are running in our elections and running the counting. (Her for declaring victory with 200 vote unofficial lead and the woman for messing the votes up)
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Purposely rigging the election.

Either way it obviously says something about Wisconsin that the poll here and the polls they took of Wisconsin. Obviously half the state supports what Walker and the Republicans are doing or it doesn't matter enough to them to change who they vote for. 50-50. People sure do get over stuff fast. If people were really upset about the Union bill he would of tanked big time.
 
Green Inferno

Green Inferno

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Wisconsin is indeed an evil empire.
Born there, (Kenosha, and left when I was 18 )
Tommy Thompson ruined that place beyond fixing.
This new governor doesn't seem to be accumulating too many
"cool points". Glad I am long gone from that stink hole.
Beautiful state. Wonderful people. Lousy government.

Lock everyone up! Use education money to do it! Woo Hoo!!
 
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Carthoris

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Ernst

Ernst

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Carthoris said:
They might not even investigate it. It isn't a federal matter and they aren't made up votes, they are were just not counted at the time. Canvassing is to make sure all the votes are counted. Either way, everything will come out in the wash,.
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I read the Feds are in charge of voter fraud. I think they have grounds to invalidate those votes.
I'm guessing those votes were in the hands of people who could have manipulated them.
Remember trillions of dollars in public wealth are at stake.
By limiting what people earn they are making Capping private wealth for the middle and lower classes a law.
This is no little matter.

All you conservative types who don't like capping private wealth how come you are against a living wage?
 
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Carthoris

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Ernst said:
I read the Feds are in charge of voter fraud. I think they have grounds to invalidate those votes.
I'm guessing those votes were in the hands of people who could have manipulated them.
Remember trillions of dollars in public wealth are at stake.
By limiting what people earn they are making Capping private wealth for the middle and lower classes a law.
This is no little matter.

All you conservative types who don't like capping private wealth how come you are against a living wage?
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There is no proof of fraud. Even the democrats involved in that locale agree that the votes were legit. Grounds to invalidate them based on what? There are hard copies of those votes in the city, and they were reported immediately on the city website. Recount, maybe. Invalidate, doubtful. If anything I think a federal investigation of the voting would be interesting to see just how many votes were fake aside from those. I really doubt someone would be that brazen to say "Hey, we found these thousands of votes and they are all for prosser, hahahaha." days after the fact. Stupid enough, sure. They would of just rigged the election from the get go if that was the case. Even if they thought it was rigged, wouldn't a bipartisan team of vote people be able to check it out (As they are doing and have already done) That is the whole point in having dem and rep in the polling/counting places isn't it? I don't think any part of the constitution gives the federal government the right to investigate a state election. It might in some colorful way(ala marijuana illegalization), but I doubt it.

I am not conservative, and I have never said I was against a living wage. I am against fraud. When the Unions buy votes, put politicians in power, and then benefit from it at the tax payers expense it is no different than if a business did it. Same difference, both are wrong. The government sets minimum wage for the entire population, the left is happy enough to let them do that. Why can't the government set a wage for public workers then? What is the functional difference? If you don't trust the government to pay you fairly then how can you trust the government to run our health care, retirement, and insurance?
 
NewGrowth

NewGrowth

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Living wage? Whatever happened to a competitive workplace. I feels fine paying my employees with greater responsibility more money. Why should I pay more for unskilled labor when those jobs only cost my business money? Living wage is a joke so is minimum wage. Do you even understand how much it costs to hire ONE employee ($4-5k)? This is one of the reasons there are so few jobs. I can't afford to spend lots of money hiring a slacker that I have to fire later. On top of that you want me to pay him $12/hr to sweep the parking lot!? My business' don't get paid a "living profit" to make sure they don't go under; quite the contrary, I work my ass of to be sure they turn a profit. If at the end of the day something comes up I'm the first one not to get a paycheck. If you made me pay everybody a living wage I would be forced to lay off staff.
Here is the basic concept: a business creates something of value (aka wealth). This in turn is used to pay for the cost to operate. If the business is unable to generate wealth then the cost of operation can not be covered and the business drowns in a stack of bills. What's fair about that? Re-examine the fairness doctrine please, it doesn't work!
 
NewGrowth

NewGrowth

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Double speak, We're past 1984 remember?
The bill removes a refinancing provision and doesn’t count savings during this fiscal year accrued by requiring public employees to pay more for their pensions and health insurance.* But it would still save the state $300 million over the next two years by requiring state employees to contribute about 5% of income toward their pensions and by requiring state workers to pay for about 12% of their health insurance premiums. It would also save $1.44 billion by requiring public employees in school districts and municipalities to pay 5% of their salaries toward their pensions and by removing collective bargaining for benefits, thus giving school districts and municipalities the option of requiring their employees to pay about 12% for their health insurance premiums.

PS- In business we don't consider "savings" thats consumer talk (the government is a net consumer). We consider cost, depreciation, and value.
 
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