The poll that is phrased in exactly a way to get the result it did. That makes it as legitimate as asking about abortion by saying: Do you support killing children? Yes or No.Wow keep on keeping arguing lolbut the poll now is what it is.
Wisconsin Revolt
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Im willing to bet liberal democrats make up a bigger percentage of this site than most sites. If you did that poll on a site that was a business site or a church site then it would likely be a completely different poll - not to mention written by someone who isn't being deceitful. The polls show Walker's approval rating is about the same as Obama's.
We the people are not allowed to do whatever we want. That was the whole point of the constitution. Most of the founding fathers knew that a majority of you were mentally defective and that over time you would do this and pretty much said you would have to be stopped or we would lose freedom.
Rob Roy
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Aren't you the same guy that doesn't pay taxes on your plant sales?
Live off the grid? Already do.
You presume to know much about me. Whenever I ask you why you rationalize violence, you never REALLY answer and throw a little fit...why is that?
As far as paying for things, when did I ever say people shouldn't pay for that which they use? I think you are confused.
My computer was built by a homeschooled student...sorry.
The "costs of society" ? That's funny. That's a euphemistic rationalization for institutionalized use of force. A society that bases it's costs on consensual transactions advances freedom. Those that don't help to create "Uncle Buck and his magic rationalization machines."
Jagoff ? If somebody asks you uncomfortable questions and holds the hypocrisy mirror up for you to see your reflection, your best answer is an insult.
So why DO you approve of the initiation of force anyway?
UncleBuck
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not excessive at all, considering the top 25% percent control far greater than 85% of all wealth.
yawn.
funny thing is, i will one day be part of that top 25% percent, as my father in law is recruiting me to take over the family biz, since his two daughters already have careers, and hos son does not want to.
UncleBuck
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i'm sure if we threw enough monkeys and computer parts into a room and locked it, we'd eventually get a computer.
perhaps a home-schooled student built your computer. would he have figured out how to build a computer without the foundation of knowledge laid out by students that were not home-schooled? betcha not.
let me ask, did that home-schooled student also lay the infrastructure that allows you to disseminate your confused definitions of words over the internet?
i see you still have not named a single society that has ever not used 'institutionalized force'.
yawn. you bore me.
at least johnnyo cracks wise or brings up an interesting argument every so often.
you are just like a hamster running on a wheel.
SQUEAKrationalizationSQUEAKforceSQUEAKextortionSQUEAKtheywillkillyouifyoudontpayaspeedingticketSQUEAK
i'll go ask obama if he would be a sport and mail you a form politely asking if you wish to voluntarily pay your taxes this year.
secretweapon
Active Member
same ill probably be moving up into the top 25% as well, but that doesn't mean that i haven't experienced what the lower and middle class is experiencing, I'm fine for paying high taxes as along as the return is benefiting my family and myself. if i have enough money to sustain my family for generations, then i can easily help others out because once your dead your dead. money doesn't matter to either a rich man or poor everybody's the same. just enjoy life while we still can.
The left has never explained why it is ok to tax one person more than another. Having kids excuses you from paying your share, taking care of people excuses you from paying your share, being poor excuses you from paying your share. If my neighbor has a yard full of cars, and I have one it is not ok for me to steal half of his cares. Yet, if there are 1 million people with a yard full of cars and 100 million with less it somehow becomes ok. Our constitution is supposed to protect that 1 from the masses, not the other way around.
Funny thing is that will make you a hypocrite, not to mention no one believes you. What person who worked and did right for himself and owns his own business would give it over to a liberal who hates the very idea of success?
secretweapon
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i don't care if people think I'm a hypocrite, and really i don't care if you really believe me or not, I'm out to help my own people not work against them. i can still be a liberal and have ideas of success.
*edit* no i will not be in the top 25% if they more than 85% of the wealth, more like upper middle class but still an easy lifestyle.
secretweapon
Active Member
hey its fine to have more than others but what i believe is that some of those top 1% didn't get that money legitimately, they directly stole it from the people.
UncleBuck
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exactly. you can't take it with you.
take care of your family, friends and loved ones.
i wish more people and businesses operated like my father in law does.
he owns apartments all over the country. at each location, he knows what his annual operating budget should be for the year. if the people he has working for him do a good enough job at staying under the budget, they get to split up the rest as holiday bonus.
i have worked with them before. every time we can fix something without spending money, we say 'BONUS!'.
making money does not have to go hand in hand with greed, and he is a living example.
Rob Roy
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Thank you for admitting that you advocate violence as a means to an end.
Just because something is done as a common occurence doesn't mean it is justified. Until recent times there really weren't societies that operated absent slavery, that doesn't mean the status quo is necessarily a good thing though does it?
Sorry if I bore you, I'll try to do better. Pleasing you is high on my list of things to do...
You are right, I am repetitive. I don't deny that. That doesn't mean I'm incorrect though.
What you and your hamster do in the privacy of your home is your business.
UncleBuck
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so many caricatures and false assumptions. i really do feel sorry for the simple manner in which your mind operates.
as i predicted, the righties have come out screaming...'liberals hate success!'
yet it rings hollow, as i know many liberals who LOVE success.
your very first line gives away your simplicity..."the left has never explained why it is ok to tax one person more than another". considering that all of us pay vastly different amounts makes your inquiry nonsensical off the bat.
i am a leftie, and i believe that it is ok to tax those who can afford it at a higher rate than those who can least afford it for a simple reason: empathy.
but it is more than that.
someone like my father in law, who is wealthy by any account, gets the benefit of public services many times over.
not only does he benefit from the public education he received and the FAFSA money that put him through college, but he also benefits from the fact that all his employees also received a public education and in many cases college. do you think he could run a business with a bunch of illiterates working for him?
not only will he receive the benefit from the SS dollars he has paid into the system, but so will all of his employees, meaning he does not have to offer a 401k match to help them towards retirement or something similar.
as far as your asinine example of stealing your neighbor's cars goes, that just illustrates once again the grade school level on which your mind works.
UncleBuck
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it's perfectly fine to have more than someone else.
it's not fine to weasel out of paying your fair share.
UncleBuck
Well-Known Member
this is true more than you know.
i can't count how many times i have to contact a private business that is operating in shady fashion, charging illegitimate fees, no delivering what they promised, etc.
i can tell you exactly how many times i've had to stop the government from taking more than they were due: ZERO.
in fact, the government is fairly benevolent in many instances.
i just got my tax return back today. i was telling my co-worker, and he was excited that not only did he get his return back as well, but that he got $400 too much!
i informed him that he did not get $400 too much, but rather that he did not take advantage of the 'making work pay' tax credit and the irs adjusted his return for him. not to get all partisan and shit, but that is a direct result of obama and the democrats who passed the american recovery and reinvestment act.
UncleBuck
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where did i say that?
quote the line, please.
are you going to name me a society that has been successful without some form of involuntary taxation already?
you are repetitive even in the face of your definitions and arguments being rendered invalid.
that is called being obstinate. or stupid. you choose.
secretweapon
Active Member
What these people are doing is very just. this is a direct attack on unions, the only voice those government workers have for their families and themselves.
UncleBuck
Well-Known Member
i listened to npr this morning on my way to work.
they did a piece about the teachers' unions here in portland and what they negotiated for themselves.
they negotiated a ZERO cost of living increase for themselves, same as 3 out of the last 4 years. with inflation, that means they voted themselves a pay cut.
there were a couple of very minor exceptions, such that brand new teachers may be eligible for a cost of living increase and the top level for the longest serving teachers may go higher. these things are not for sure, but they are on the table within a certain time frame.
damn union thugs
they did a piece about the teachers' unions here in portland and what they negotiated for themselves.
they negotiated a ZERO cost of living increase for themselves, same as 3 out of the last 4 years. with inflation, that means they voted themselves a pay cut.
there were a couple of very minor exceptions, such that brand new teachers may be eligible for a cost of living increase and the top level for the longest serving teachers may go higher. these things are not for sure, but they are on the table within a certain time frame.
damn union thugs
