JorgeGonzales
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CREE? CREE!
Why do some guys wats to still use mono led with cobs?
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CREE? CREE!
Ecosunlite CREE LED
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Sorry , man . We use UL driver and cree led chips for some of our models .
Airwalker16
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They want to know PAR ratings, PPF, PPFD, footprint coverage, COB binning, CCT, Luminous Flux, you know, things like that. It is about time you posted some Numbers# for sure @Ecosunlite CREE LED
Where am I
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Yep I would be real Leary of a Company stating that their product is exactly the same but at the third of the cost. I have personal experience where I purchased some lights and after a couple of years they started to fail. I went to process a warranty claim and they didn't even exist anymore. You have to be VERY careful. I have seen to many unscrupulous companies using substandard components. Yes, they will say they are "Cree" on them but then when you actually do a deep examination they are just cheap knock offs. Just like the guy at the corner gas station telling you he got a great deal on some iphones. Nice packaging and everything . You hand over your cash and he is gone. Next thing you notice once you take the phone out of the box it won't work.Upon closer examination something doesn't look right. You discover that "your iphone" is just an older model that some one has cleverly printed a label of the new phone and stuck it on the face of it. Yeah it really happen. So when a company claims that its lights are just like AMARE''s I really doubt it. One of the main reasons AMARE was even started was because the owner had purchased lights that didn't do what they claimed they would do, and their prices were exorbitant. So as they say BUYER beware. AMARE has built a quality product! There are so many real growers who have purchased their lights and have had phenomenal success with them. As for their warranty they stand behind it 100% if you were to have a problem they don't hesitate at all to address it and take care of it above and beyond what they would have to do.
Airwalker16
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You obviously don't know anything about LED. If they're Cree CXB3070's with a decent driver, they're gonna perform just fine. Same thing for the monos. I mean the guy took a video of the original Cree packaging for fucks sake. It is basically an amare. If it hurts your butt too much to cope with the huge financial loss from buying Into amares "superior product" then that's your problem. These components are what they are. There's not really much else to say. Theyre the same damned lights, hands down. He's just willing to make less than a mares greedy asses. They charge SO MUCH more for what you get. I've said this before, that I would never pay for an Amare. Ever.
Big smo
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Even if I could get 3 of these for one Amare I wouldn't. It's not about the vu bulb or the money either. Also greedy asses don't offer you a 4/20 sale on 5/2 when I actually purchased them. I'm not saying there is anything wrong with them but always in life I realize you get what you pay for.
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Airwalker16
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Ya... cxb3070's and cree monos at a premium like you, or at much much less from ESL. They use proprietary drivers on the cobs, so if I did buy one, I'd just switch out the driver towwvvv an hlg meanwell or two and you can guarantee that tuck4þer's gonna last just as long as an Amare. And that 4/20 special still cost you WAY MORE than it would have through these guys. And how are you to know Amare wont go out of business one day?
Big smo
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800 for Amare and 700 for Eco. After I lost nearly 3 grand the other week due to a bullshit lighting company I will always go with the company that seems to be more for the customer than the one that has a cheaper price. My kind LEDs burned out, I sent them back and were questionably ruined in shipping. Kind policy is they need to be returned in like new condition and they wouldn't even fix the broken diodes before sending them back. Luckily I had additional lights but the kinds were down for over a month. Victor would have one in the mail before kind would even return an email. That's a guarantee.
As dumb as it may sound I would have paid 2 grand for the se450 after talking to victor. I'm at a stage in life where I just want quality and the cheapest isn't always the best option. If everything was exactly the same. I mean even down to the zip ties holding the wires together we're the same I still would t make the switch. Customer service and piece of mind plays a huge roll in a larger purchase.
I'm on track with this run where 1-2 plants of the 30 I have going is enough to pay for all of the lights. To save a few hundred and not get that guarantee is pointless to me.
As dumb as it may sound I would have paid 2 grand for the se450 after talking to victor. I'm at a stage in life where I just want quality and the cheapest isn't always the best option. If everything was exactly the same. I mean even down to the zip ties holding the wires together we're the same I still would t make the switch. Customer service and piece of mind plays a huge roll in a larger purchase.
I'm on track with this run where 1-2 plants of the 30 I have going is enough to pay for all of the lights. To save a few hundred and not get that guarantee is pointless to me.
carefull here ecosunlite needs to prove that all their components are true, manage the heat correctly and most importantly that these are NOT disposable lights. It takes a lot more than saying they will use cree top bin to build a quality dependable light. They don't publish meaningfull performance numbers or reliability data. At least with amare we know its a decently well built light and won't have to throw it away after a year or two.
Scotch089
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Airwalker16
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We all know the data for cxb3070's by now.
Big smo
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When I have more time I will defo check it out in detail. Quick glance it's pretty amazing, nice work
Scotch089
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But^ just because they say one thing doesn't mean it's what it is... just very hard to believe they're selling such good panels so cheap , Way to hard to believe
Would you put it past a company that has the potential to make thousands to order a tray of top bins just for the casing/label/picture but have their true stock in mid/low bin? I'd like to think they wouldnt... but I've been insecure enough to consider jerry (king bright), or any other reputable company (won't target any) COULD do this and no one would know till a side by side comparisonof a known source came into play. (Hence buzz saying he wants more data [umols])
I had thay subtle feeling about jerry till it was confirmed that yes, 45 bucks a chip is reasonable for top bin emitters (when g started selling them, I trust him, and others started testing the chips)
Big flag for me, to tell whether they're legit quality or not, would be the heat sinks. But again, we won't know till it's in some bodies hands.
(Edit: reply to walker)
Would you put it past a company that has the potential to make thousands to order a tray of top bins just for the casing/label/picture but have their true stock in mid/low bin? I'd like to think they wouldnt... but I've been insecure enough to consider jerry (king bright), or any other reputable company (won't target any) COULD do this and no one would know till a side by side comparisonof a known source came into play. (Hence buzz saying he wants more data [umols])
I had thay subtle feeling about jerry till it was confirmed that yes, 45 bucks a chip is reasonable for top bin emitters (when g started selling them, I trust him, and others started testing the chips)
Big flag for me, to tell whether they're legit quality or not, would be the heat sinks. But again, we won't know till it's in some bodies hands.
(Edit: reply to walker)
do you know that many of the Chinese disposable lights have heatsinks with a big fat hole in the middle?
do you know that you won't be able to determine the bin of any of the leds, when you receive the light?
do you know that most likely the efficiency will suck ?
will they take a broken unit back, return postage prepaid by them within a weeks of notification?
Takes much more than a cob to make a good light (as you should well know by now after building a few).
Big smo
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This is part of the reason why I antagonized victor with bullshit conversations. I would t know the first place to start in understanding the bin, efficiency or quality of parts but I can tell by his responses to my waffling that I was putting my money in good hands. For the sake of doing a comparison I was willing to post results unbiased of coarse between the 2 using both 6 cob units. But the price of the Eco was within 100$ of the Amare and there didn't seem like any room for negotiation. At that rate of buy another se-450.
Another thing even though I do like my lights and I don't know anything about the Eco I'm not trying to cut them up in any way and even though it seems like it I'm not trying to over promote Amare. This is just my opinion based on the little I know. If Eco is willing to do a deal on a light that I don't necessarily need id do the comparison just for the fun of it.
Another thing even though I do like my lights and I don't know anything about the Eco I'm not trying to cut them up in any way and even though it seems like it I'm not trying to over promote Amare. This is just my opinion based on the little I know. If Eco is willing to do a deal on a light that I don't necessarily need id do the comparison just for the fun of it.
Where am I
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I doubt these are even close to an AMARE light. Oh by the way the next gen 450 actually is closer to 500 watts. I been using AMARE lights for over 2 years . Have 9 grows under them. Been averaging over .75 grams per watt and have had several grows over 1 gpw. Currently running a 600 watt HPS vs SE-450 comparison grow.
Where am I
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Sorry dude I been dealing with electronics for over 30 years.. Oh I can buy one Cree and video tape it and hoodwink you all . Guess you don't understand what a "bait and switch is" As for financial loss you got to be kidding me.... I make enough in one weekend of work to buy their most expensive light. When I PURCHASED my AMARE light I ran a journal on another forum. with NO conditions from AMARE. So sir you are misinformed .I have been in manufacturing for the a very long time. I know all about cost, profit, the bottom line. I have run machining lines cranking out 1000 engine blocks a shift. Any first year finance student can calculate the cost of a product components, including labor burden and overhead. What separates a good Company is their QUALITY, CUSTOMER SERVICE and WARRANTY. Like I said before buy what you like. I will not stoop to your level. I can DIY my own light anytime I feel like it I know a high quality product when I see it. That s why I own several AMARE lights. They began the white light revolution.
Airwalker16
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.75 /watt is awful for all the hype about amare