White House Response to The New York Times Editorial Board's Call for Federal Marijuana Legalization

SmokeyDan

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ohh my the retarded claims of bold "Drug Warriors" re-defining "addiction" as anything that they can use to try and "prove" that cannabis is "addictive"

addiction will soon be redefined as "anything that causes bloodshot eyes and the desire to visit Taco Bell"

what is the REAL definition of addiction?

ad·dic·tion
noun \ə-ˈdik-shən\
Definition of ADDICTION
: compulsive physiological need for and use of a habit-forming substance (as heroin, nicotine, or alcohol) characterized by tolerance and by well-defined physiological symptoms upon withdrawal; broadly : persistent compulsive use of a substance known by the user to be physically, psychologically, or socially harmful—compare habituation

hey look. cannabis isnt addictive.

you have been lied to over and over, and you perpetuate the lies by repeating them. cannabis is NOT addictive, despite decades of lies, lacing a marlboro with reefer will not transform the innocent smoker into a depraved marijuana addict.

conversely, contaminating food drink or smoke with REAL addictive substances can result in addiction without the victim even knowing what he is addicted to.

http://www.chinapost.com.tw/news/detail.asp?id=49896

but yeah, the Pro From Dover knows all about addiction and is here to tell us how "Hooked" on weed we are.

go back to washington mr ainslinger, nobody here is buying your bullshit.
Pretty much everyone who is a regular smoker of user of marijuana who quits cold turkey will have a rough week of two going to sleep and getting along with others. Yet you said it has no withdrawal.

The top part of your definition, echoes my pov perfectly.

Cigarettes are clearly addictive, probably more so than weed. Their withdrawal is similar.
 

Dr Kynes

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I wish I was a paid propagandist.

I don't think my arguments impede legalization, but bolster it's prospects.

People on the fence won't buy into no negative effects arguments.

The will buy into lower comparative harm arguments. They're just more realistic.
so because you are afraid the squares wont believe weed is harmless, you MANUFACTURE claims of harm, to make your story sound more believable?

nice thinking numbnuts.

the govt has invented more than enough lies about weed over the last 70 years to keep the sheep huddled in their pens, you are simply reinforcing those lies with new lies.

cannabis has ZERO addictive substances in it, it has NO withdrawal symptoms and every "marijuana addict" is simply HABITUATED, not addicted.

further, EVERY person who goes to "rehab" for cannabis only does so because he has been forced into it by the legal system, his employer or his family, NOT because he just cant quit toking without help.

stuff your lies back into your satchel, and carpetbag your way back to the DEA Mrs Leonhart.

nobody here gives a shit about your ignorant opinions.
 

Dr Kynes

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Pretty much everyone who is a regular smoker of user of marijuana who quits cold turkey will have a rough week of two going to sleep and getting along with others. Yet you said it has no withdrawal.

The top part of your definition, echoes my pov perfectly.

Cigarettes are clearly addictive, probably more so than weed. Their withdrawal is similar.
"the top part" echoes nothing.

to qualify as addiction there MUST be compulsive need, tolerance, and WELL DEFINED PHYSICAL SYMPTOMS from withdrawal.

without all 3 parts, then you have Habituation, not addiction.

you are an idiot braying out your foolish opinions and trying to convince a room full of stoners that cannabis is addictive, when EVERY stoner goes cold turkey regularly, and thus knows you are full of shit.

quitting dope is NOT like quitting tobacco.

i smoked for 24 years, and that first week without cigarettes was pretty rough, and every now and then, is still find myself reaching for my wallet when i see camels on special.

i have been smoking weed almost as long, and i have NEVER experienced any discomfort from not smoking dope, beyond the obvious observation that dope is fun, and not having any weed is LESS FUN.

every time i go to my mom's place for a week, have to prepare myself for a drug test, or simply dont feel like buying bullshit mouldy cartel brown weed between harvests, i go off dope cold turkey, and amazingly enough, i feel NO symptoms.

NOBODY goes into withdrawal symptoms from not having weed.

Nobody EVER suffers DT, the shakes, hallucinations, cold sweats, or convulsions from weed withdrawal, you dont even get a headache or become irritable like when you cant get your morning coffee

youre a bald faced liar.

every pothead in this forum knows youre full of shit now.

why dont you carpetbag on over to Erowids and make up some horror stories about your "Bad Trips" and near death experiences from shooting up with Marijauna Needles.
 

SmokeyDan

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"the top part" echoes nothing.

to qualify as addiction there MUST be compulsive need, tolerance, and WELL DEFINED PHYSICAL SYMPTOMS from withdrawal.

without all 3 parts, then you have Habituation, not addiction.

you are an idiot braying out your foolish opinions and trying to convince a room full of stoners that cannabis is addictive, when EVERY stoner goes cold turkey regularly, and thus knows you are full of shit.

quitting dope is NOT like quitting tobacco.

i smoked for 24 years, and that first week without cigarettes was pretty rough, and every now and then, is still find myself reaching for my wallet when i see camels on special.

i have been smoking weed almost as long, and i have NEVER experienced any discomfort from not smoking dope, beyond the obvious observation that dope is fun, and not having any weed is LESS FUN.

every time i go to my mom's place for a week, have to prepare myself for a drug test, or simply dont feel like buying bullshit mouldy cartel brown weed between harvests, i go off dope cold turkey, and amazingly enough, i feel NO symptoms.

NOBODY goes into withdrawal symptoms from not having weed.

Nobody EVER suffers DT, the shakes, hallucinations, cold sweats, or convulsions from weed withdrawal, you dont even get a headache or become irritable like when you cant get your morning coffee

youre a bald faced liar.

every pothead in this forum knows youre full of shit now.

why dont you carpetbag on over to Erowids and make up some horror stories about your "Bad Trips" and near death experiences from shooting up with Marijauna Needles.
Your definition precludes many things that are widely accepted as addictive.

But I would argue that weed does fit.

I have highlighted some compulsive uses earlier in this thread. People who continue to smoke despite an expressed wish to stop, who face unwanted consequences when they can't stop. And they keep smoking.

I've heard smokers discussing tolerance to weed here. Check number 2.

As for three, quiting weed has very minor but noticeable affects. People can't sleep, they're ass holes, they have attention problems.

Addiction specialists all agree that weed is addictive.

Weed users don't.

Users are not the group to trust as they can never be objective and honest about their symptoms.
 

Doer

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I've stopped many times and I have never had a bit of trouble. It doesn't matter if I stopped for 2 weeks or 2 years.

Now unfortunately this is adult recreation for relaxation and fun. It is and for the little mush minds kiddos/ I totally agree with Obama on that one. I stuck to psychedelics and stimulants until I got and adult brain on board.

But, such is life. All those little kids already get stoned if the want to. Many do not. I am not sure if "success" can be measured based on this.
 

ChesusRice

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The human lung has not developed the capacity to handle byproducts of burning without some harm. So anyone that concludes smoking marijuana is harmless is delusional.
 

ChesusRice

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yea its all about money, Uncle sam has to make sure the upward draft of money comes right up the shoot. Utill the proper channels and regulations are in place. It is more profitable to just keep it illegal and let the states do what they want.

If it were just legalized there would be a good chance of the economy going crazy because of everyone trying to get in the game at once. Farmers abandoning crops to try and make quick money, then the mmj market crashes. and everybodys broke. It would work itself out but the gov doesn't seem to let things work themselves out.

All I know is by growing my own last year I saved 2500$ and spent that money on taxable goods and services. rather than untaxed to karl. Seems like that's the way to go. The war on drugs is a pointless one.
The way things are going is
it will be legal to buy illegal to grow.
 

Doer

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The human lung has not developed the capacity to handle byproducts of burning without some harm. So anyone that concludes smoking marijuana is harmless is delusional.
And the fact there are no lung diseases as you "project" in the heritage pot smoking regions is delusional too, by you.


Damn delusions.
 

ChesusRice

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Your claim.
Tobacco vs. Marijuana
Like tobacco smoke, marijuana smoke contains cancer-causing chemicals. There are 33 cancer-causing chemicals contained in marijuana. Marijuana smoke also deposits tar into the lungs. In fact, when equal amounts of marijuana and tobacco are smoked, marijuana deposits four times as much tar into the lungs. This is because marijuana joints are un-filtered and often more deeply inhaled than cigarettes.

Marijuana smoke is also an irritant to the lungs, and frequent marijuana smokers can have many of the same respiratory problems experienced by people who smoke tobacco. These include coughing and phlegm production on most days, wheezing, bronchitis, and greater risk of lung infection.

http://www.lung.org/associations/states/colorado/tobacco/marijuana.html
 

Doer

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Tobacco vs. Marijuana
Like tobacco smoke, marijuana smoke contains cancer-causing chemicals. There are 33 cancer-causing chemicals contained in marijuana. Marijuana smoke also deposits tar into the lungs. In fact, when equal amounts of marijuana and tobacco are smoked, marijuana deposits four times as much tar into the lungs. This is because marijuana joints are un-filtered and often more deeply inhaled than cigarettes.

Marijuana smoke is also an irritant to the lungs, and frequent marijuana smokers can have many of the same respiratory problems experienced by people who smoke tobacco. These include coughing and phlegm production on most days, wheezing, bronchitis, and greater risk of lung infection.

http://www.lung.org/associations/states/colorado/tobacco/marijuana.html

I think we can do better than bald conjecture. And I say that nicely since I like you. :)

There are no known carcinogens in cannabis. So, that alone says this is bullshit. In fact it is not an irritant and is healthy for lungs. I think we should delve deeper, and at least stick to referenced peer review.

http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/820432_2
Although the effects of marijuana smoking (both short-term and long-term) on lung function have been assessed by many studies for over 40 years, the bronchodilator properties of cannabis were likely known and were used for treating asthma in the late 1800s.[2,10] In fact, as noted, cannabis was listed in the United States Pharmacopeia from the mid-19th century until 1941, predating scientific studies by over a century.[2,10] It is interesting that Tashkin et al.[11] and Vachon et al.[12] were the first to demonstrate bronchodilator properties of cannabis in young healthy individuals and published study results in the same medical journal in the same year. Tashkin et al.[13,14] subsequently reported a similar bronchodilator effect of cannabis in patients with mild asthma as well as in patients with methacholine and exercise-induced bronchospasm. A systematic meta-analysis by Tetrault et al.[15] assessing acute effects of marijuana smoking found consistent association between short-term marijuana administration and bronchodilation [such as increases of 0.15–0.25 l in forced expiratory volume in 1 s (FEV1), peak flows, and airway conductance].
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It goes on to refute these silly tobacco comparisons.
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Aldington et al.[17] published a comparative study of the effects of marijuana and tobacco in 2007. The authors performed high-resolution computed tomography (HRCT) of the chest and pulmonary function testing on 339 individuals (75 marijuana-only smokers, 91 smokers of both marijuana and tobacco, 92 tobacco-only smokers, and 81 nonsmokers) in New Zealand. The study results showed no significant change/decline in FEV1 or FEV1/FVC ratio in marijuana smokers. There was also no evidence of emphysema on HRCT, although marijuana use was associated with an increased percentage of low-density lung tissue both on the apical slice [odds ratio (OR) 3.3] and the mean of the three slices (OR 2.4), suggestive of hyperinflation. (taking big hits - Doer)

A similar lack of association between marijuana smoking and airflow obstruction has also been reported in the Dunedin birth cohort study.[19] Lung function was assessed in participants of the longitudinal Dunedin Multidisciplinary Health and Development Study in New Zealand. Spirometry was performed periodically at each assessment from age 9 until age 32. After adjusting for tobacco exposure, cannabis was not associated with lower FEV1 values or lower FEV1/FVC ratios, but was associated with significantly higher FVC, higher airways resistance (Raw) and lower specific airway conductance (sGaw) (Table 1)
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This entire article is worth the read. Listen to your brother. I'm not fighting with you here. I'm suggesting you are referencing the backlash forces, not the truth of the matter.
 
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Doer

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Hey, I recently had a full lung work up. It took an hour over 5 machines. In the end, the result was...
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- on par or better for age.
 

SmokeyDan

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I love dr.k's claim that those who can't stop smoking weed when they face consequences for not going so are merely habituated, and not addicted like people who can't stop smoking or any other substance.

What is addiction if not a bad habit?
 
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