White House Response to The New York Times Editorial Board's Call for Federal Marijuana Legalization

SmokeyDan said:

That doesn't explain why it happens in basketball, or professions like nursing and others where concussion and violence aren't a factor.

People everywhere, in all walks of life, are unable to not smoke weed despite consequences they wish to avoid.

It's called addiction. And most weed smokers can put it down for a while to piss clean. So can some heroin and meth addicts. That does not mean they're not addicted.

It's not a life crippling addiction like those, but it is an addiction for many users out there.

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Harrekin said:

Statistically speaking, cannabis is less addictive than caffeine.

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travisw said:

Jesus BigNBushy, the word is sell.

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SmokeyDan said:

I've been arguing that it is addictive, all the while saying less so than most other substances that are addictive.

Thank you for confirming my point.

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Harrekin said:

Caffeine is not considered "addictive" with non-abusive use.

Most anything has the habit of being addictive and harmful with abuse.

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SmokeyDan said:

I'm afraid harm is not a consideration to be made in addiction.

And marijuana is not harmless. Smoking anything is somewhat harmful for the lung.

The mental affects are disputed.

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Harrekin said:

Everything you say has been debated ad nauseum here and destroyed repeatedly.

Im not going to debate you on this, there's scientific literature that confirms what I say.

As much as you've ran bullheaded into this, cannabis is less harmful and addictive than coffee.

Its considered completely non-toxic and most studies linking it to mental illness are flawed.

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SmokeyDan said:

Imagine that, people at a pot website saying pot is great.

I love pot, I just think it is important to be aware and honest about the ills as well as the benefits of weed.

The biggest tragedy about weed is that its schedule 1 status has neutered the research into it.

Your own words were "less addictive" which is acknowledging it is somewhat addictive. Not everyone will become addicted.

The difference between me and you with respect to our views on weed is you're being defensive and I'm being honest.

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Harrekin said:

I'm tired of the misinformation about it that retards like you vomit out with no modern scientific research to back it up.

Guess what? You're in with the "weed makes negros look at white women, TWICE!" catagory with your "facts", with Harry Anslinger and Nixon.

Congrats, good team you've backed.

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SmokeyDan said:

Except that I want the law to be such that I can walk into a store, either a regular market or a specialty store like liquor and buy it.

I don't think weed increases the negro's inclination to rape white women.

I don't think it makes you criminally insane.

I do think that regular use over time could lead some people into addiction. Not a life crippling addiction like crack.

Please back up your ascertain that I'm like Nixon and drug warriors? Can you do it with my words?

I just think it important weed proponents be honest about weed.

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Doer said:

Backlash will be heavy, as I said.

Down with Legal

MMJ forever.

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Harrekin said:

So you're not a proponent?

You sound like a Republican trying to claim they're a Libertarian to win votes.

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SmokeyDan said:

I'm also a proponent of drilling for oil, however I acknowledge the negative things about it, it pollutes.

In that same fashion I am a weed proponent, I'm just aware and honest about it's negative characteristics.

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Harrekin said:

Sounds more like your paid to spout negative propaganda in a less confrontational way that the drug warrior's usual method.

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SmokeyDan said:

I wish I was a paid propagandist.

I don't think my arguments impede legalization, but bolster it's prospects.

People on the fence won't buy into no negative effects arguments.

The will buy into lower comparative harm arguments. They're just more realistic.

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Harrekin said:

*sigh*

Don't forget your helmet in the bath.

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SmokeyDan said:

Why on earth would one put a helmet on to get in the bath?

Travisw does, apparently.

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SmokeyDan said:

Addiction has nothing to do with physical withdrawal.

Addiction is entirely psychological.

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SmokeyDan said:

Read this. It might help clear it up for you.

I like how you claim to have great knowledge on something yet it is revealed your doctoral degree is in shelve stocking from Walton Community College.

"Is there a difference between physical dependence and addiction?

Yes. Addiction—or compulsive drug use despite harmful consequences—is characterized by an inability to stop using a drug; failure to meet work, social, or family obligations; and, sometimes (depending on the drug), tolerance and withdrawal. The latter reflect physical dependence in which the body adapts to the drug, requiring more of it to achieve a certain effect (tolerance) and eliciting drug-specific physical or mental symptoms if drug use is abruptly ceased (withdrawal). Physical dependence can happen with the chronic use of many drugs—including many prescription drugs, even if taken as instructed. Thus, physical dependence in and of itself does not constitute addiction, but it often accompanies addiction. This distinction can be dificult to discern, particularly with prescribed pain medications, for which the need for increasing dosages can represent tolerance or a worsening underlying problem, as opposed to the beginning of abuse or addiction."

http://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/principles-drug-addiction-treatment-research-based-guide-third-edition/frequently-asked-questions/there-difference-between-physical-dependence



You told me earlier in this thread that addiction has its own meaning and i didn't get to make it up. It looks like that was the only thing you were right about.

That same website says that marijuana can lead to addiction after long term use. No one saying a marijuana addict acts just like a heroin junkie

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