What's my best option for buying water?

Michael Huntherz

Michael Huntherz

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Douglas.Curtis said:
I don't grow the best, though I've been privileged to have sampled some as good or better than mine. The experienced changed my thinking about cannabis and quality, 8 years ago. The rest will come down to lab tests. I'll gladly take the pepsi challenge, double-blind test.

Yes, I've read the study, did you? Dynamic/Hyper accumulator plants require a cleaner nutrient solution than your standard vegetable plant. There are other actions of uptake happening, alongside the 'passive ionic uptake' the organic growers depend on. In my experience these additional methods of uptake and the action cannabis uses to bind these elements directly to tissue are the main reason for the huge difference in quality.

When using an unbalanced nutrient, I believe a great deal of elements are being bound directly to the cell walls in new growth. This can be tested for by running side by side grows with varying custom mixes. The varying levels of residual npk and micros will show which elements cannabis is accumulating. Careful attention to keeping the grow environments the same will provide details for assessing their impact on the additional uptake pathways. (btw: These tests have not been done yet)

Cannabis is not a cucumber, please be sure you know everything you're exposing it to. :)
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Well, I yelled at you and you didn't crack, I respect that. I still don't think you really grok how plants work, in as much as any scientist knows. I did read the study; Accumulation does not take place in the flowers. Your assumption that you can taste 13 ppms of water-quality difference in a finished plant Is unprovable speculation, as far as I am aware. Your interpretation of bio-accumulators is incomplete, from what I can glean. Your claim that almost everything in the water ends up in the flowers is based on what data? I could be completely wrong, but I don't see empirical support given for that assertion here or anywhere else immediately visible.
 
Douglas.Curtis

Douglas.Curtis

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Michael Huntherz said:
Your claim that almost everything in the water ends up in the flowers is based on what data? I could be completely wrong, but I don't see empirical support given for that assertion here or anywhere else immediately visible.
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Show me the studies which show otherwise? As far as I'm aware, they don't currently exist.

linkedstudy said:
Metals were preferentially accumulated in the roots and only partially translocated to the above-ground tissues.
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The 'majority' ends up in the roots. It can and does end up in the flowers and was tested there. Overfeed a cannabis plant for 2 weeks and then feed it plain water for a month, does the overfeeding problem get solved? No, the quality has still been trashed. Obviously the plant is packing some (probably a variety) of elements away, without converting them. Which ones, specifically, remain to be seen though I've read similarities between cannabis and tobacco, as far as silicon and potassium are concerned.

I see poor quality being produced everywhere, I used to grow poor quality, I definitely know what it looks like. ;)
I'd like to see which elements cannabis is really good at accumulating. It will definitely help define what a proper balanced mix will look like. I'll pit my observational data against lab analysis, any day and you can bet I'll be a lot closer than the majority. Until then, lucas with r/o is pretty damn close.
 
Budley Doright

Budley Doright

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Douglas.Curtis said:
This is correct. Water softener water is heavily salted and your plants will not like it.
Now... run that softened water through an R/O filter and you're golden.

Just be sure to test your ppm/tds every few months or so, change your filter when it starts rising. I don't like higher than 12ppm :)
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Water from a softener is probably not a good thing to use in potted plants due to the build of sodium. I use well water and while it took a bit of adjustment to dial in a stable ph level it seems to do ok but it's .24 ec so not excessively high. My plants actually do better than using lake water which is .1 :).
 
Budley Doright

Budley Doright

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Douglas.Curtis said:
This is correct. Water softener water is heavily salted and your plants will not like it.
Now... run that softened water through an R/O filter and you're golden.

Just be sure to test your ppm/tds every few months or so, change your filter when it starts rising. I don't like higher than 12ppm :)
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Soft water is not heavily salted but has some in it, it really depends on the amount of hardness. One or two waterings would probably not do much harm but over time it will as the sodium will build in the soil so no don't use it. The tap fitted filters won't do shit to take out the minerals unless the technology has changed and I'm out of the loop. A in home RO filter would be your best option if your well water is no good.
 
Budley Doright

Budley Doright

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Douglas.Curtis said:
Show me the studies which show otherwise? As far as I'm aware, they don't currently exist.


The 'majority' ends up in the roots. It can and does end up in the flowers and was tested there. Overfeed a cannabis plant for 2 weeks and then feed it plain water for a month, does the overfeeding problem get solved? No, the quality has still been trashed. Obviously the plant is packing some (probably a variety) of elements away, without converting them. Which ones, specifically, remain to be seen though I've read similarities between cannabis and tobacco, as far as silicon and potassium are concerned.

I see poor quality being produced everywhere, I used to grow poor quality, I definitely know what it looks like. ;)
I'd like to see which elements cannabis is really good at accumulating. It will definitely help define what a proper balanced mix will look like. I'll pit my observational data against lab analysis, any day and you can bet I'll be a lot closer than the majority. Until then, lucas with r/o is pretty damn close.
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So your saying that your going to be better at analyzing the accumulative elements by smoking it rather than a lab report? I may be misinterpreting what your saying so please elaborate.
 
mr sunshine

mr sunshine

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Douglas.Curtis said:
Show me the studies which show otherwise? As far as I'm aware, they don't currently exist.


The 'majority' ends up in the roots. It can and does end up in the flowers and was tested there. Overfeed a cannabis plant for 2 weeks and then feed it plain water for a month, does the overfeeding problem get solved? No, the quality has still been trashed. Obviously the plant is packing some (probably a variety) of elements away, without converting them. Which ones, specifically, remain to be seen though I've read similarities between cannabis and tobacco, as far as silicon and potassium are concerned.

I see poor quality being produced everywhere, I used to grow poor quality, I definitely know what it looks like. ;)
I'd like to see which elements cannabis is really good at accumulating. It will definitely help define what a proper balanced mix will look like. I'll pit my observational data against lab analysis, any day and you can bet I'll be a lot closer than the majority. Until then, lucas with r/o is pretty damn close.
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Post a pic of your nuggs, you're just talking alot, Id like to see with my own eyes.
 
Douglas.Curtis

Douglas.Curtis

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Budley Doright said:
So your saying that your going to be better at analyzing the accumulative elements by smoking it rather than a lab report? I may be misinterpreting what your saying so please elaborate.
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I'm saying my assessment will be much more accurate than others, lab reports will simply confirm it.
 
purplehays1

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Skunk smell said:
I have been buying RO water at Walmart for a while,but the machine has been out of service for a while.They also sell "drinking water, spring water,and distilled water" in gallon jugs.Which one of those would be best to buy for now until they get the RO machine back in service?I have well water that goes through a softener,so I know I am better off buying water.I am growing in Fox Farm soil.Also,will I need to add Cal-Mag to all of those options?
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honestly man growing in soil you probably dont need to do anything but leave your tap water out for a day before using it. No use spending money buying water unless your tap water is like mine and 550-650 PPM of who knows what.
 
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Skunk smell

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purplehays1 said:
honestly man growing in soil you probably dont need to do anything but leave your tap water out for a day before using it. No use spending money buying water unless your tap water is like mine and 550-650 PPM of who knows what.
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I am not even going to consider using my tap water,I have very hard water,which is treated with lots of salt.The only way I will use it is if I end up buying a RO system.
 
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Skunk smell

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How much should I expect to pay for a decent RO system?l saw that Amazon has one for around $200,it also has good ratings.
 
polaroid93

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hell man find a friend with better tap water drive over there fill up enough water then bring back home set out in sun bam free water i consider this your second to last option
 
Budley Doright

Budley Doright

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Skunk smell said:
How much should I expect to pay for a decent RO system?l saw that Amazon has one for around $200,it also has good ratings.
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They range in price, there are a few factors that change the price but a median price is probably $300 here in Canada. Honestly I would try the I softened water myself, it really hard with my setup to use an RO due to infastructure.
 
Douglas.Curtis

Douglas.Curtis

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Budley Doright said:
They range in price, there are a few factors that change the price but a median price is probably $300 here in Canada. Honestly I would try the I softened water myself, it really hard with my setup to use an RO due to infastructure.
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Stealth R/O is around $200 on amazon
I hung mine above my washing machine and used to run the 'waste' right into the washer for clothes. A $4 garden hose splitter went on the cold water tap for the washer, allowing both washer and r/o to run off the same tap.

Definitely worth it. ;)
 
Dr. Who

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kiwipaulie said:
Haha I don't disagree with the Doc, its the other guy that was making me laugh with his claims of superior high grade, not that I'm saying mine is any better. Just the attitude is humorous :).
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Ah, yesah - that is correct! We AGREE.... I was slightly taken aback by Mike's post too!
 
Michael Huntherz

Michael Huntherz

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Dr. Who said:
Ah, yesah - that is correct! We AGREE.... I was slightly taken aback by Mike's post too!
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I didn't get the context at the time, you were both railing against the right bullshit, lol.

Douglas.Curtis said:
I'm saying my assessment will be much more accurate than others, lab reports will simply confirm it.
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You can't prove I don't have an invisible incorporeal dragon in my garage, so it must be a fact...

Superman, you are a very special snowflake indeed. Spreading disinformation about accumulator plants based on conjecture, saying there's no data extant to disprove your claims, then claiming your palette is more accurate than a mass spectrometer? You go boy. As in go enjoy your grand egotistical world of self-delusion.
 
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PetFlora

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Skunk smell said:
I have been buying RO water at Walmart for a while,but the machine has been out of service for a while.They also sell "drinking water, spring water,and distilled water" in gallon jugs.Which one of those would be best to buy for now until they get the RO machine back in service?I have well water that goes through a softener,so I know I am better off buying water.I am growing in Fox Farm soil.Also,will I need to add Cal-Mag to all of those options?
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I skimmed through the posts, but did not see an actual recommendation for an in-home device

Never trust tap, who knows where they buy thee minerals they add, plus we want accurate ratios of said minerals

I recently replaced a 15 yo RO with an iSpring that has a pump capable of 75 gpd, though I wish I had gotten the 100 gpd unit

Something like this is if you need > 200 gpd

iSpring #RCS5T Commercial Grade 500GPD Tankless Reverse Osmosis Water Filtration System With 1:1 Waste To Pure Water Ratio

or an under sink unit

iSpring #RCC1P 5-Stage 100 GPD Reverse Osmosis Water Filtration System with Booster Pump, 3.2 Gallon Tank, and Brushed Nickel Faucet
 
Michael Huntherz

Michael Huntherz

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PetFlora said:
Never trust tap, who knows where they buy thee minerals they add, plus we want accurate ratios of said minerals
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Your recommendations are good, but this part is spurious. This is not how municipal water systems work. Not sure why I care so much, except this sort disinformation is insidious and gets people's minds twisted into believing things that are misleading. You can trust the tap in Fort Collins, CO, for instance, that's some near-RO quality water.
 
PetFlora

PetFlora

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OK, most cannot be trusted, BUT...

Pure water is aggressive by nature. It seeks to balance with its environment = pipe.

For near RO quality to travel through miles of pipe they have to add alkalizing minerals that MAY be of highly questionable quality
 
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