What is corporate fascisim

CrackerJax

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The road to hell (economic) will be paved with good intentions.

Miss, as for the CEO BONUSES and such.... While I may agree that the amounts were over the top in some cases, it's not really a concern for a non-shareholder. Those bonuses are voted upon and approved within the corporate structure. It is not something for the public or political distillation. The politicians use these tactics to whip up sentiment to gain power for themselves.

By the way, Oprah tops all CEO salaries.... no outrage? :mrgreen:

:peace:



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misshestermoffitt

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Oh I don't think Oprah deserves her salary either, and as far as the bonus for CEO's are concerned, when they went to DC to ask for my tax dollar, it became my business. I feel that if they can't keep their spending in check, then let them go down the drain. If I was about to lose my home, do you think they'd give one shit about me?

Follow the money and you'll find the answer. Less pocketing means more capitol for a rainy day. Well it's raining like a motherfucker and they have no umbrella, not my fault.
 

CrackerJax

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They wouldn't go if they didn't already know "your" govt. was going to give out free money.
I find it appropriately funny that the Govt. which meddled in the free markets and caused a meltdown are now seen by the "masses" as the solution.

It's the best spin I've ever seen...... amazing.



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medicineman

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They wouldn't go if they didn't already know "your" govt. was going to give out free money.
I find it appropriately funny that the Govt. which meddled in the free markets and caused a meltdown are now seen by the "masses" as the solution.

It's the best spin I've ever seen...... amazing.

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I'm afraid you're the one who is spun. Free market capitalism is exactly what brought these corporations to their knees. Greed and excessive luxury allowed these fools to believe there was no tomorrow. Just play for today anf live like a king. Guess what? Now the greedy pricks come a groveling and our ever greedy politicians take our money and bail them out. What don't you get about laise-faire capitalism. With no controls, greed will always topple it. The problem exists from lack of controls not excess controls. This is living proof that unfettered Capitalism doesn't work.
 

TheBrutalTruth

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I'm afraid you're the one who is spun. Free market capitalism is exactly what brought these corporations to their knees. Greed and excessive luxury allowed these fools to believe there was no tomorrow. Just play for today anf live like a king. Guess what? Now the greedy pricks come a groveling and our ever greedy politicians take our money and bail them out. What don't you get about laise-faire capitalism. With no controls, greed will always topple it. The problem exists from lack of controls not excess controls. This is living proof that unfettered Capitalism doesn't work.
No, unfettered capitalism would have worked just fine.

No possibility of assholes from ACORN using legislative influence to force companies into making bad loans.

The Companies that made the bad loans and securitized them and then traded derivatives on them would have been allowed to go belly up, and would not have been bailed out.

The bankers that are getting bonuses would now be out of jobs.

Very nice, neat, tidy solution, and best of all, NO BAIL OUTS

No GSEs,
No AIG
No TARP

Very great solution.

Seems to me that GOVERNMENT/SOCIALISM is the problem, not Unfettered Capitalism. Unfettered Capitalism would have let those companies collapse, and new, more efficient companies would spring up in their place.

Of course, I suppose I should stop trying to argue with the blind (or mentally retarded) and stop trying to make them see what they refuse to see, the hand of the government screwing the markets up entirely, and screwing us over, too.

Besides, all this talk about competition is ludicrous.

Yes, Capitalism is built on competition, but it is also built on cooperation, what are corporations but teams of people cooperating together to produce products more efficiently, cheaper, faster, and of better quality...

Well that was true until the Unions got involved, the Unions want inefficient manufacturing processes for job security, salaries make everything more expensive, and to be able to jerk off so that everything is produced slower (so they get OT and DT and TT), and consists of worse quality.

Of course, not all Union Employees are like that, but they do allow the leaches in to take advantage of the system. Of course, the ultimate end was the collapse of the largest of the Unionized Corporations the Big Three.

Hmm, perhaps there is a lesson to be learned here.

Bad Management + Bad Employees = FAILURE

Failure + Government = Zombification (Dead Companies being revived with Tax Payer Money)

Of course, the above lesson also applies to the banks and financial institutions that would have died in an unfettered capitalist system.

But don't let me remove your blinders, I don't really care. Being able to sharpen my mind against reasonably coherent idiots is fun.
 

CrackerJax

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And now the fed's have decided to try and print their way out of this.... hang on to your shorts everybody...... here come the Carter years. Lawdy!!!




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max420thc

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the federal reserve and treasury are printing money as fast as they can and giving it away....right now the federal government own's 80% of the real estate in america...they took control of fannie mae and freddie mac....if that dont scare you i dont know what will....the problem with their printing money scemes..is they are having a hard time even loaning it into the economy...there is no equity left...alot of the jobs are gone that would we collateral for the loans....unless uncle sugar starts building nuke power plants and bridges...( with more massive amounts of debt) you are going to see a great depression ,,you are going to be in one anyways..obama's public works projects...that willl take a good couple of years to implement...will be as usual...a day late and a dollar short...here in my city..there are very few jobs posted in the paper..medical..and truck driving...i know alot of construction workers..all of them out of work...except one....all of them have unemployment running out and cant find work...at least not making what they were making..and not enough to pay their bills...guess who is going to pay the banksters for the home;s they are going to default on?and the credit cards they are going to default on...:eyesmoke:
 

misshestermoffitt

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I'm so glad the automakers can keep churning out cars that nobody can buy. Maybe GM will turn out a million new hummers, those are a gas saving god send *choke cough*
 

CrackerJax

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I'm so glad the automakers can keep churning out cars that nobody can buy. Maybe GM will turn out a million new hummers, those are a gas saving god send *choke cough*
Yes, the Detroit acts as if this bankruptcy has crept up on them. Nothing could be further from the truth. Using ancient business models via union and supply over a slow grind of 40 years is closer to the truth.

I use the word Detroit when talking about the belly up and out of touch "automakers". But there is a dirty little secret isn't there in all of this? There are actually TWO auto industries in this country and one of them is pluggin along pretty darn well. NO unions or life time pensions or ridiculously high salaries for blue collar job.

Average wage discrepancy between the union and non union auto makers in the U.S.? Try $30.00/hour. Wanna know why Detroit is getting their heads handed to them. It's not all about not building the right cars at the right time. It's got quite a bit about being COMPETITIVE....... Detroit needs to add about $5,000.00 to every vehicle produced (not sold) just to meet its union commitments.

This bailout is exactly what Pres. Bush said it was .... a small stopgap to prevent bankruptcy in the near term. He just didn't want to spoil the holidays for everybody, I still predict total collapse in Detroit. Only Ford has any real chance, the other two will belly up an be glad they did later. I'm glad Pres. Bush didn't GRINCH the holidays, but on the other hand, what's the point? Hooville is finished.......



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misshestermoffitt

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The car lots where I live have big red sale tags on the windshields of everything on the lot. I doesn't look like anything is being sold either.
 

ViRedd

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The car lots where I live have big red sale tags on the windshields of everything on the lot. I doesn't look like anything is being sold either.
I have several friends who are in the management end of retail car sales. They all say the same thing ... they are dying.

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misshestermoffitt

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One of the car lots here is run by a crook anyway. The lot was a gift from his rich daddy, it's not like he earned it or anything. He takes cars off the lot, drives them, wrecks them, has them fixed and sells them as new. It would be fun to see his ass broke, he's taken plenty of people to the cleaners with lemon cars.
 
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