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Bagginski

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Gotta protect that infrastructure! By the time Russia has missiles to launch at Germany they will have better air defense than this stuff, which was considered kind of obsolete. It works very well on drones and somewhat on cruise missiles and is cheap per kill, good parked close to a big transformer as point defense. Dunno how many they have by now, but it could be enough to cover most of the big transformers in the country with a layered air defense, this being the last line.

By the time Russia has missiles to lob at GERMANY, this war will be over & the lights will be out in the Kremlin. I posted an article examining Russia’s actual demonstrated ability to produce war matériels, and factoring the added difficulties presented by sanctions, there’s virtually NO chance of Russia producing ten functional units of anything complicated within the next (I think it was) 3 years
 

Bagginski

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Maybe she is, I don't know what she knows. But Putin and his staff know. They claim that the US, NATO and Ukraine broke agreements that NATO would never expand west of Eastern Germany. There was no formal agreement but some discussions along those lines in 1990. Putin and his cronies are like Trump in that they don't even try to keep their lies straight. They justified their invasion in two ways that contradict each other. First they say it was always a part of Russia, they they fall back on treaty talks that involved their agreement to honor Ukraine's borders and sovereignty. At some point one must stop listening to them and judging them by what they do.


Check this out where Candace Owens, a Trump toady and Fox "News" commentator says the war in Ukraine is the US's fault:
Re: Candace Owens…I was raised to “consider the source” & let that be my guide.

Good advice
 
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Roger A. Shrubber

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Here is one reason why the lights are still on in Moscow and taking their money in international courts without the delay of counter claims could be another. A some point they are gonna start getting Russian money instead of ours and we want that to be ASAP!

Ukraine should petition the UN for permission to make strikes at russia's infrastructure, all open and above board...they might get denied, but they might not...and that would be fucking sweet revenge.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Ukraine should petition the UN for permission to make strikes at russia's infrastructure, all open and above board...they might get denied, but they might not...and that would be fucking sweet revenge.
I think the allies want to avoid that and it is one of the reasons they are going all-in on-air defense and grid repair help, along with other increased military and other assistance. I think Ukraine has a domestically produced suicide drone ace up its sleeve that can bring down much of the Russian power grid. As I said, it could be for financial reasons, tied to legal considerations, there is an enormous amount of Russian money at stake here. Enough to cover everything, if they do it properly and legally, following a justice process.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Russia is screwed, Europe has dug its heels in, and Russia had an economy smaller than that of Italy before the war began, France alone has a much bigger economy than that, the EU has a bigger one still! Then there's Uncle Sam, not back stopping them, but leading the allied charge. Last but certainly not least, there are the Ukrainians and their NATO trained and increasingly equipped army, which has high morale and motivation, as well as the best training and equipment they and the allies can provide.

Russia's war in Ukraine means "we need to become brothers in arms" once more, Macron says at White House
From CNN's Betsy Klein

French President Emmanuel Macron speaks alongside US President Joe Biden on the South Lawn of the White House on Thursday, December 1.


French President Emmanuel Macron speaks alongside US President Joe Biden on the South Lawn of the White House on Thursday, December 1. (Andrew Harnik/AP)


US President Joe Biden welcomed French President Emmanuel Macron to the White House Thursday, kicking off an official state visit aimed at shoring up the US-France alliance as Macron has emerged as a critical ally amid Russia’s ongoing invasion of Ukraine.

“Our hearts are warm to welcome such close friends to the White House,” Biden said at a formal arrival ceremony on the White House South Lawn on the cold December morning.
“It’s a genuine honor to host you for the first state visit of my administration and to celebrate the current strength and vitality between France and the United States of America," he continued.
"As war returns to the European soil, following Russia's aggression to Ukraine and in light of the multiple crises our nations and our societies face, we need to become brothers in arms once more," Macron said via a translator after Biden delivered remarks.
Following last year’s low point in French-American relations following the US-Australia submarine deal, the two presidents have forged a close relationship, as Biden highlighted in his opening remarks Thursday.

France, Biden said, is the United States’ “oldest ally” and an “unwavering partner,” referencing the history of the relationship from the Revolutionary War's Marquis de Lafayette to the beaches of Normandy during World War II.
“The alliance between our two nations remains essential to our mutual defense,” he added.
Biden said both countries are united amid Russia’s “brutal war” in Ukraine and said that the two countries are working to ensure “democracies deliver” on numerous key issues.

He said the alliance will “grow stronger for decades to come” as he welcomed Macron and his delegation to Washington.
Following the Macrons’ arrival, the two leaders greeted dignitaries, observed a 21-gun salute, and inspected the troops on the South Lawn, keeping with the tradition of a formal arrival ceremony.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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I'll bet a lot of Russian government types, foreign ministry officials and such have a few bucks stashed here. A million or two and some big fish's money collected in bribes and thief's spread over lots of accounts. I'll bet this would hurt Vlad's minions the most, as well as probably take some of the cash he spread around in the west.

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Switzerland has frozen more than $7 billion in Russian financial assets
From CNN's Lindsay Isaac

Switzerland has frozen over $7 billion in Russian financial assets, according to the Swiss State Secretary of Economy (SECO).
The total amount of seized financial assets since the start of the Ukraine war now amounts to US $7.89 billion as of Nov. 25, the SECO said in a news release on Thursday. Additionally, 15 properties attributed to sanctioned Russians in Switzerland have been seized.

A total of $48.5 billion belonging to Russian nationals have been reported to SECO for investigation.
Some context: In response to Russia's military aggression in Ukraine, the Swiss Federal Council broke with its tradition of neutrality and adopted European Union sanctions against Russia.
Switzerland has also said it would seek closer ties to NATO and the European Union to strengthen its “defense capabilities” in the wake of Russia’s war.
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
I'll bet a lot of Russian government types, foreign ministry officials and such have a few bucks stashed here. A million or two and some big fish's money collected in bribes and thief's spread over lots of accounts. I'll bet this would hurt Vlad's minions the most, as well as probably take some of the cash he spread around in the west.

1 hr 54 min ago

Switzerland has frozen more than $7 billion in Russian financial assets
From CNN's Lindsay Isaac

Switzerland has frozen over $7 billion in Russian financial assets, according to the Swiss State Secretary of Economy (SECO).
The total amount of seized financial assets since the start of the Ukraine war now amounts to US $7.89 billion as of Nov. 25, the SECO said in a news release on Thursday. Additionally, 15 properties attributed to sanctioned Russians in Switzerland have been seized.

A total of $48.5 billion belonging to Russian nationals have been reported to SECO for investigation.
Some context: In response to Russia's military aggression in Ukraine, the Swiss Federal Council broke with its tradition of neutrality and adopted European Union sanctions against Russia.
Switzerland has also said it would seek closer ties to NATO and the European Union to strengthen its “defense capabilities” in the wake of Russia’s war.
I would not be surprised if the remaining $41b have remained liquid because someone paid a modest surcharge.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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We want ya gone Vlad, get out while you can before you are driven out, you can't win, is the message being sent. It is the Ukrainians who will humiliate them not America or Europeans, though they will use our weapons to finish them off and drive them out. The longer it goes on, the bigger the payoff for the west, as Russia sinks lower and lower into military and economic ruin. Sometimes political and cultural change is sudden and hard, when it's been delayed for too long and it takes getting the shit beat out of them and their noses rubbed in it to make it happen.


First on CNN: US considers dramatically expanding training of Ukrainian forces, US officials say
 
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