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DIY-HP-LED

DIY-HP-LED

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BudmanTX said:
and also

asia.nikkei.com

Turkish 'powership' group in talks to supply Ukraine

Karpowership says vessels could be used in Odesa if security conditions are met
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Every city they can take off the national grid the less load and more robust it becomes, taking Lviv and Kyiv off would make it a lot more flexible. Not sure how many megawatts in generator capacity are required to keep a large building going, but individual homes can be heated with wood stoves and one in the basement of a small apartment building with a stove pipe sticking out a basement window can save the pipes for the owner. Also, sporadic power helps with cooking and heating too and buildings can stay warm enough for a long time. They will adapt, innovate and do what they must, they will do their best while the Russians do their worst, or what they can get away with. Many in Ukraine have been preparing for this coming winter all summer long, building and buying woodstoves.
 
DIY-HP-LED

DIY-HP-LED

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BudmanTX said:
and also

asia.nikkei.com

Turkish 'powership' group in talks to supply Ukraine

Karpowership says vessels could be used in Odesa if security conditions are met
asia.nikkei.com asia.nikkei.com
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Every thousand horsepower is theoretically equivalent to 745.7 kilowatts of power, so scale it up from there as far as generator capacity goes. This ship uses steam turbine generators it appears, and 300 megawatts can power a city, parked in the ocean I don't imagine cooling is an issue! It's not so much the generators and turbines, as the transformers sitting outside them that were damaged or destroyed.
 
BudmanTX

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DIY-HP-LED said:
Every city they can take off the national grid the less load and more robust it becomes, taking Lviv and Kyiv off would make it a lot more flexible. Not sure how many megawatts in generator capacity are required to keep a large building going, but individual homes can be heated with wood stoves and one in the basement of a small apartment building with a stove pipe sticking out a basement window can save the pipes for the owner. Also, sporadic power helps with cooking and heating too and buildings can stay warm enough for a long time. They will adapt, innovate and do what they must, they will do their best while the Russians do their worst, or what they can get away with. Many in Ukraine have been preparing for this coming winter all summer long, building and buying woodstoves.
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i hope the population is preped, wasn't there also tents with stoves in them for heat? think i saw a post like there here, those can help the population as well....i decided to do a deep dive into that company........

Karpowership - Wikipedia

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love the design, question is how to power a small city like Odessa, or maybe even Kyiv, or Lviv with it, and how many would u need to link together to meet needs.....
 
DIY-HP-LED

DIY-HP-LED

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The excuses for imperialism, maybe it's the other way around, they are Ukrainian, and they have as much historical right as they do? Or perhaps they are just another country with a separate language and culture that is closely related to their own, but who want to chart their own course, as is their right to do under international law and common fucking sense. If Russia is so great, why do the people live like shit with great wealth that poured in, have no rights, no future and are herded like cattle to the slaughter. While hundreds of thousands vote with their feet and leave the shithole. Any western reporter would have her storming out of the room in minutes.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1597622311078703104
 
BudmanTX

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DIY-HP-LED said:
The excuses for imperialism, maybe it's the other way around, they are Ukrainian, and they have as much historical right as they do? Or perhaps they are just another country with a separate language and culture that is closely related to their own, but who want to chart their own course, as is their right to do under international law and common fucking sense. If Russia is so great, why do the people live like shit with great wealth that poured in, have no rights, no future and are herded like cattle to the slaughter. While hundreds of thousands vote with their feet and leave the shithole. Any western reporter would have her storming out of the room in minutes.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1597622311078703104
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DUH!!!
 
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DIY-HP-LED said:
The ones in question are the big ones that step down the really high power station voltages, there are two main issues, cooling and electrical arcing in fortifying them. If this war and such attacks are expected to go on for years, then design changes for new equipment and water cooling can take care of most of the issues with extra money to harden them up considerably.
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How much engineering would be needed? You can not just say "Make it so." Is the building industry in Ukraine at its prewar level? Concrete, rebar, workers. The space to build in. Most times the minimum space needed for this type of infrastructure was used and room to put shipping containers is not there. Just replacing the transformer is a big job. They are probably doing what they can to protect them but from them being hit multiple times seems to say quick and relatively easy fixes are not practical
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DIY-HP-LED said:
EU governments have their own defense/industry arrangements and will pay for increased production capacity for the needed transformers, and they can also be made in Canada and the USA and production incentives offered here as well using the defense production act. There is a lead time and things will be tight, but if the Ukrainians can make it through the winter with sporadic power, woodstoves and tens of thousands of generators pouring in, then they should be ok after that. They will keep their eye on the prize and deal with the discomfort.
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Pay for increased capacity? And where is this capacity going to come from?


"Typical substations can take upwards of two years to develop, design, purchase materials, construct, and commission. PODS will not only save significant costs, but can also be designed, manufactured, shipped and installed in less than one year after receipt of order."


PODS (Portable Outdoor Distribution Stations) | PTI

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DIY-HP-LED said:
Actually, we should ramp up production of this equipment, and all countries should securely store critical spares. Enough at least to get our society back up and running should we suffer another Carrington like solar event. That would fry grids and transformers globally and melt power lines from induced power. The spares must be shielded as well, even the rolls of replacement wire would have currents induced in them. The sun just has to burb in the right direction at the right time and we'd be fucked as things stand now.
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"We should..."

We should until the costs come in. Others will counter that we have been managing the system well enough (excluding Texas) and it will be hard to get ratepayers to just say OK to increased costs. Manufacturers who reside in an area will be paying more for power and they will be at a lose as compared to areas where they are not upgrading the systems.
 
DIY-HP-LED

DIY-HP-LED

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They are squirming on Russian state TV as reality comes crashing in. The air defenses are improving, and their missiles are dwindling, they probably regret they wasted so many on hospitals and schools earlier in the war. Crimea is strategically impossible for them to defend in the long term, Ukraine wants it back, so do the allies and Turkey and with it comes control of the Black Sea.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1597576307118080003
 
DIY-HP-LED

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printer said:
How much engineering would be needed? You can not just say "Make it so." Is the building industry in Ukraine at its prewar level? Concrete, rebar, workers. The space to build in. Most times the minimum space needed for this type of infrastructure was used and room to put shipping containers is not there. Just replacing the transformer is a big job. They are probably doing what they can to protect them but from them being hit multiple times seems to say quick and relatively easy fixes are not practical
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Pay for increased capacity? And where is this capacity going to come from?


"Typical substations can take upwards of two years to develop, design, purchase materials, construct, and commission. PODS will not only save significant costs, but can also be designed, manufactured, shipped and installed in less than one year after receipt of order."


PODS (Portable Outdoor Distribution Stations) | PTI

ptitransformers.com ptitransformers.com




"We should..."

We should until the costs come in. Others will counter that we have been managing the system well enough (excluding Texas) and it will be hard to get ratepayers to just say OK to increased costs. Manufacturers who reside in an area will be paying more for power and they will be at a lose as compared to areas where they are not upgrading the systems.
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Well we aren't gonna throw our fucking hands in the air and run around screaming and gesticulating wildly! We will deal with it as best we can and if it looks like Russia will keep lobbing missiles into the Ukrainian grid for years, obviously provisions will have to be made and designs changed or modified. Surrender is not an option.
 
BudmanTX

BudmanTX

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DIY-HP-LED said:
They are squirming on Russian state TV as reality comes crashing in. The air defenses are improving, and their missiles are dwindling, they probably regret they wasted so many on hospitals and schools earlier in the war. Crimea is strategically impossible for them to defend in the long term, Ukraine wants it back, so do the allies and Turkey and with it comes control of the Black Sea.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1597576307118080003
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gotta love the bullshit brigade.....they don't what to do or say...
 
DIY-HP-LED

DIY-HP-LED

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printer said:
How much engineering would be needed? You can not just say "Make it so." Is the building industry in Ukraine at its prewar level? Concrete, rebar, workers. The space to build in. Most times the minimum space needed for this type of infrastructure was used and room to put shipping containers is not there. Just replacing the transformer is a big job. They are probably doing what they can to protect them but from them being hit multiple times seems to say quick and relatively easy fixes are not practical
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Pay for increased capacity? And where is this capacity going to come from?


"Typical substations can take upwards of two years to develop, design, purchase materials, construct, and commission. PODS will not only save significant costs, but can also be designed, manufactured, shipped and installed in less than one year after receipt of order."


PODS (Portable Outdoor Distribution Stations) | PTI

ptitransformers.com ptitransformers.com




"We should..."

We should until the costs come in. Others will counter that we have been managing the system well enough (excluding Texas) and it will be hard to get ratepayers to just say OK to increased costs. Manufacturers who reside in an area will be paying more for power and they will be at a lose as compared to areas where they are not upgrading the systems.
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They are planning a green new grid, solar events and cybersecurity will need to be taken into account and it will need to be much more robust with more capacity for EVs, even truck transport and rail. If conditions are right, a solar event could cause catastrophic damage globally and core capacities should be maintained at least. It's good old-fashioned preparedness, the same burden we carry for covid and other pandemics that could wipe us out. The same burden we bear for military defense against the likes of Putin.
 
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DIY-HP-LED said:
Well we aren't gonna throw our fucking hands in the air and run around screaming and gesticulating wildly! We will deal with it as best we can and if it looks like Russia will keep lobbing missiles into the Ukrainian grid for years, obviously provisions will have to be made and designs changed or modified. Surrender is not an option.
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Just countering your earlier posts that seems like the phrase, "Make it so."
 
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DIY-HP-LED said:
They are planning a green new grid, solar events and cybersecurity will need to be taken into account and it will need to be much more robust with more capacity for EVs, even truck transport and rail. If conditions are right, a solar event could cause catastrophic damage globally and core capacities should be maintained at least. It's good old-fashioned preparedness, the same burden we carry for covid and other pandemics that could wipe us out. The same burden we bear for military defense against the likes of Putin.
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Back to money.
 
DIY-HP-LED

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printer said:
Just countering your earlier posts that seems like the phrase, "Make it so."
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I might compress timelines a bit, but the allies are determined to do whatever it takes to break Russia, even if that means commandeering every generator in the EU to get them through the winter, they are all in now.
 
DIY-HP-LED

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printer said:
Back to money.
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They need the green new grid anyway and cybersecurity and solar event planning must be part of it. They can already protect the grid from much of it with a heads up from space weather and solar observatories, we won't be blindsided, but will have day's notice. Still a Carrington event brought down the primitive telegraph system and fried things pretty good, I doubt much modern electronics would have survived it if was turned on and connected.
 
DIY-HP-LED

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More air defense around critical infrastructure. The allies are determined to get Ukraine through the winter and help them finish the Russians off in the spring or summer, breaking Russia militarily, economically and probably politically.


US sends Avengers to bolster Ukraine's air defences

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Four US-made Avenger air defence systems are being sent to Ukraine to help prevent Moscow from attacking key infrastructure from the sky. We've been taking a look at the capabilities of the short-range system.
 
Fogdog

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DIY-HP-LED said:
The excuses for imperialism, maybe it's the other way around, they are Ukrainian, and they have as much historical right as they do? Or perhaps they are just another country with a separate language and culture that is closely related to their own, but who want to chart their own course, as is their right to do under international law and common fucking sense. If Russia is so great, why do the people live like shit with great wealth that poured in, have no rights, no future and are herded like cattle to the slaughter. While hundreds of thousands vote with their feet and leave the shithole. Any western reporter would have her storming out of the room in minutes.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1597622311078703104
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She's talking about Imperial and Soviet Russia when she say "Ukraine has always been part of our country". Under those conditions, Ukraine was a state within the larger empires. That changed in 1994, when Russia signed a multilateral treaty, recognizing Ukraine's borders and Ukraine as an independent nation.
 
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