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Can Europe keep the heating on this winter amid Russian gas crunch?
While Europe scorches in the heatwave, some of its leaders are securing new gas suppliers to try to ensure the heating stays on this winter as the war in Ukraine forces the continent to confront its dependence on Russian gas. But analysts warn that new gas sources will not solve the problem – meaning Europeans will have no choice but to cut their energy consumption.

Roger A. Shrubber said:

this is just going to drag on and on till we finally have to go in there and stomp russia's ass...why waste any more time about it?

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Nukes.

They might leave the pontoon bridge for when the Russians try to escape over it, then they will hit them when they are concentrated around the area.


BIG TROUBLE FOR PUTIN: A WHOLE RUSSIAN ARMY IS CUT OFF IN SOUTHERN UKRAINE || 2022

Roger A. Shrubber said:

this is just going to drag on and on till we finally have to go in there and stomp russia's ass...why waste any more time about it?

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kinda like you went to open the oil taps in Iraq I guess.
America will once again be the villain and the hero at the same time

printer said:

Nukes.

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you can only fire so many of them before you trigger nuclear winter, which will be the end of all advanced life on earth.

printer said:

Nukes.

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i'm about fucking tired of that word, and the people who use it as an excuse to allow a murderous tyrant to run rampant...he is going to HAVE to be dealt with sooner or later, the later it is, the more chance he has of consolidating any advantages, of making preparations to escape, of setting up more defenses...and he'll still have the same fucking amount of NUKES when we finally do what HAS to be done

ANC said:

kinda like you went to open the oil taps in Iraq I guess.
America will once again be the villain and the hero at the same time

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some one has to be, or we all die sitting still waiting

ANC said:

you can only fire so many of them before you trigger nuclear winter, which will be the end of all advanced life on earth.

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It has been determined that nuclear winter with current arsenals is not likely, however nobody wants to find out! Nukes are a very bad idea for anybody to be considering. The plan is to garrote Putin slowly in Ukraine where he stuck his neck out, no sudden moves to spook him into leaving or nuking, just bleed the fucker white until he collapses and dies.

ANC said:

you can only fire so many of them before you trigger nuclear winter, which will be the end of all advanced life on earth.

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No, look at the new research, the whole nuclear winter thing is VASTLY over inflated, not nearly the threat they thought it was...The largest yield nuke ever was 58 megatons, but that was far larger than most devices. Most warheads will carry no more than 20 megaton devices. Mt St helens was a 26 megaton equivalent blast. The damage from that was pretty minimal, Mount Pinatubo was equivalent to 70 megatons, again, no winter, not even a "nuclear fall".....
You'll still have millions of deaths, trillions in property damage, but no "end of all life" scenarios...

Europe might have a cold dark winter, but I doubt it, cooler than usual as thermostats are turned down and people do their bit. However by spring Russia should be pretty well fucked with all that western infrastructure they bought with oil money breaking down for lack of spares. Unemployment and poverty should increase and inflation should be worse than in the west. Even their own refining and gas infrastructure will breakdown without spare parts and outside support, like that turbine pump Canada fixed for them and had to give back because Europe needed the gas, for now.


Buy nothing but food: Russians deny themselves everything amid poverty
37,169 views Jul 30, 2022 With the beginning of Russia's full-scale invasion of Ukraine, the financial situation of the Russians has significantly worsened. About 21 million people have fallen below the poverty line since the beginning of 2022. As a result, the Russians steal and engage in other crimes while the Kremlin spends billions of rubles daily on its imperial ambitions.

If the Russians concentrate 25,000 troops in the south, they had better not have them north of the Dnipro, or they could end up trapped and cut off there. This might be a move to suck in and trap many of their forces on the wrong side of the river, we will see. If they pulled something like that off, the Russians stripped 15,000 of those forces from the east and they could attack there too. Trapping their equipment might be easier than trapping the troops, many can swim!
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Update from Ukraine | The Big Battle for South is Coming

Roger A. Shrubber said:

No, look at the new research, the whole nuclear winter thing is VASTLY over inflated, not nearly the threat they thought it was...The largest yield nuke ever was 58 megatons, but that was far larger than most devices. Most warheads will carry no more than 20 megaton devices. Mt St helens was a 26 megaton equivalent blast. The damage from that was pretty minimal, Mount Pinatubo was equivalent to 70 megatons, again, no winter, not even a "nuclear fall".....
You'll still have millions of deaths, trillions in property damage, but no "end of all life" scenarios...

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That being said, Europe in places is very densely packed, it will certainly change the face of the modern world if we even have a minor nuclear war.

I'm saying that as someone who stays in one of the few places nobody finds enough of a threat to point a nuke at..

Russia is losing, hurting badly and lashing out at their tormentors. Nuclear war is suicide for them, certain extermination and using them on Ukraine would have dire consequences, that would make the current state of affairs a picnic for Russia by comparison to what would happen to them with no nukes required.

Vlad got his cock caught in the meat grinder and is howling and dancing, while Joe slowly and patiently cranks the handle and smiles at Vlad in his agony...
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ANC said:

you can only fire so many of them before you trigger nuclear winter, which will be the end of all advanced life on earth.

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And if Putin is going down, will he take us with him? How big a nuke is he allowed to set off?

DIY-HP-LED said:

Europe might have a cold dark winter, but I doubt it, cooler than usual as thermostats are turned down and people do their bit. However by spring Russia should be pretty well fucked with all that western infrastructure they bought with oil money breaking down for lack of spares. Unemployment and poverty should increase and inflation should be worse than in the west. Even their own refining and gas infrastructure will breakdown without spare parts and outside support, like that turbine pump Canada fixed for them and had to give back because Europe needed the gas, for now.

Buy nothing but food: Russians deny themselves everything amid poverty
37,169 views Jul 30, 2022 With the beginning of Russia's full-scale invasion of Ukraine, the financial situation of the Russians has significantly worsened. About 21 million people have fallen below the poverty line since the beginning of 2022. As a result, the Russians steal and engage in other crimes while the Kremlin spends billions of rubles daily on its imperial ambitions.

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Russians have sacrificed throughout history. With enough propaganda it will be The West's fault.

Roger A. Shrubber said:

No, look at the new research, the whole nuclear winter thing is VASTLY over inflated, not nearly the threat they thought it was...The largest yield nuke ever was 58 megatons, but that was far larger than most devices. Most warheads will carry no more than 20 megaton devices. Mt St helens was a 26 megaton equivalent blast. The damage from that was pretty minimal, Mount Pinatubo was equivalent to 70 megatons, again, no winter, not even a "nuclear fall".....
You'll still have millions of deaths, trillions in property damage, but no "end of all life" scenarios...

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A blast is of little consequence (well, some in the vicinity might debate that) it is the radiation left over that is of concern. That and tit for tat.

Roger A. Shrubber said:

No, look at the new research, the whole nuclear winter thing is VASTLY over inflated, not nearly the threat they thought it was...The largest yield nuke ever was 58 megatons, but that was far larger than most devices. Most warheads will carry no more than 20 megaton devices. Mt St helens was a 26 megaton equivalent blast. The damage from that was pretty minimal, Mount Pinatubo was equivalent to 70 megatons, again, no winter, not even a "nuclear fall".....
You'll still have millions of deaths, trillions in property damage, but no "end of all life" scenarios...

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I lived in Idaho the year Pinatubo went off.

We didn't HAVE a summer that year. Cold AF.

printer said:

Russians have sacrificed throughout history. With enough propaganda it will be The West's fault.

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It will be interesting, the people from the remote areas won't notice much at all, except for all the dead soldiers from there. The people in the cities might be a different matter, as far as enduring hardship goes, ever since 2000 they've enjoyed a rising quality of life as western goods poured in, paid for by oil and gas sales. Social programs and pensions increased, but not education, as Vlad appealed to his older base. He kept the con going with the oligarchs in tow, while spouting good old fashioned Russian imperialism and ethnic supremacy, using religion and white nationalism to the hilt, like a good fascist should.

The UN wants to investigate the death of Ukrainian prisoners in the detention center
The United Nations (UN) has proposed to investigate the shelling of the pre-trial detention center in Yelenovka (DNR), in which captured Ukrainian nationalists were killed. Farhan Haq, Deputy Spokesman for the UN Secretary General, announced this.

“In connection with the recent tragedy in the prison in Yelenovka, we are ready to send a group of experts capable of conducting an investigation with the permission of the parties,” Farhan Haq said. The comment is published by RIA Novosti.

Ukraine hit the pre-trial detention center in Yelenovka with American HIMARS MLRS, where there were prisoners of the Azov battalion (recognized as an extremist organization and banned in the Russian Federation), Dni.ru reports with reference to the Russian Defense Ministry. There were 193 Ukrainians in the isolation ward, 50 people died , 73 more were injured. The reason was that the Ukrainian militants began to testify , according to the head of the DPR Denis Pushilin. The Armed Forces of Ukraine purposefully fired at a colony in the DPR in order to kill captured nationalists, RAPSI quotes Marina Akhmedova, member of the Presidential Council for the Development of Civil Society and Human Rights (HRC). The special operation of the Russian Federation in Ukraine has been taking place since February 24. Russia had to take such measures to liberate Donbass, said Russian President Vladimir Putin.

Seems the Russians have information the rest of us do not have yet, Western media does not seem to have information of the UN's investigation.

DIY-HP-LED said:

It will be interesting, the people from the remote areas won't notice much at all, except for all the dead soldiers from there. The people in the cities might be a different matter, as far as enduring hardship goes, ever since 2000 they've enjoyed a rising quality of life as western goods poured in, paid for by oil and gas sales. Social programs and pensions increased, but not education, as Vlad appealed to his older base. He kept the con going with the oligarchs in tow, while spouting good old fashioned Russian imperialism and ethnic supremacy, using religion and white nationalism to the hilt, like a good fascist should.

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They may not like it but I doubt we will see people protesting in the streets.