War

CCGNZ said:

Who is that guy,Americans don't love war, yeah we are a country w/too many guns and problems,but our warts are there for everyone to see, and we never conquered territory in wars,look at our relationship w/Japan all that nasty island fighting now a close ally.

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Then why do you make so many of them?
You have conquered territory. Hawaii and the Marshall Islands for eg ( i think you gave the Marshall islands back after lots of nuclear bomb tests). But much like Australia isn't all of America only a product of the wars with the original inhabitants that you conquered and stole the land from?

Interesting read : https://www.latimes.com/projects/marshall-islands-nuclear-testing-sea-level-rise/

PJ Diaz said:

I remember back in the good old days when liberals were anti-war and conservatives were the war mongers. Sure is a topsy-turvey world we live in these days.

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I said something similar awhile back and got crucified on here..lol

Lucky Luke said:

I said something similar awhile back and got crucified on here..lol

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By a bunch of self-proclaimed "liberals" no doubt. I'm trying to understand when exactly the dynamic of "liberal" shifted away from the idea of being willing to respect or accept behavior or opinions different from one's own, to authoritarianism and alienation towards those outside of the herd.

PJ Diaz said:

By a bunch of self-proclaimed "liberals" no doubt. I'm trying to understand when exactly the dynamic of "liberal" shifted away from the idea of being willing to respect or accept behavior or opinions different from one's own, to authoritarianism and alienation towards those outside of the herd.

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There's very few Liberals on RIU. Mostly conservatives that chant party lines day after day. Even fewer free thinkers.

PJ Diaz said:

By a bunch of self-proclaimed "liberals" no doubt. I'm trying to understand when exactly the dynamic of "liberal" shifted away from the idea of being willing to respect or accept behavior or opinions different from one's own, to authoritarianism and alienation towards those outside of the herd.

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hanimmal said:

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The Russian's just shelled a bunch of little kids school in the hopes that they could trigger a false flag 'counter-attack' when the Ukrainians lit them up like they deserved.

And here you are pushing like it is somehow America's fault.

That is

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The Ukraine vs Pro Russian Separatists conflict has been going on for years. It's lovely that you have taken an interest the last few weeks but this stuff has been going on for awhile. Its why so many on this thread has said that Russia wont invade. I Did not say that this conflict is Americas fault and you know this. I said that Biden is using it to try to bolster his poll numbers. War usually helps the incumbent leader.

PJ Diaz said:

By a bunch of self-proclaimed "liberals" no doubt. I'm trying to understand when exactly the dynamic of "liberal" shifted away from the idea of being willing to respect or accept behavior or opinions different from one's own, to authoritarianism and alienation towards those outside of the herd.

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Can't speak for everyone, but for me the main problem which may give one that perception has to do with the frustration of republicans trying to fit objectively wrong ideas under the label of "different", as if something like racism and bigotry are just "different". They do this as a means of trying to manipulate silence from those that oppose their "different" ideas.

mooray said:

Can't speak for everyone, but for me the main problem which may give one that perception has to do with the frustration of republicans trying to fit objectively wrong ideas under the label of "different", as if something like racism and bigotry are just "different". They do this as a means of trying to manipulate silence from those that oppose their "different" ideas.

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I think a few people on here just get a kick out of chasing the same old arguments around and around a round room trying to find someone to bail up in a corner. When they have trouble trying to do that its insults and innuendos and putting words in to people's mouths. Typical Conservative behaviour.
I don't think the majority of Americans realize how conservative their country, views and politics are.

Lucky Luke said:

I think a few people on here just get a kick out of chasing the same old arguments around and around a round room trying to find someone to bail up in a corner. When they have trouble trying to do that its insults and innuendos and putting words in to people's mouths. Typical Conservative behaviour.
I don't think the majority of Americans realize how conservative their country, views and politics are.

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Completely agree with that last sentence in particular.

mooray said:

Completely agree with that last sentence in particular.

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Its a world wide trend atm with righter leaning politics.

Lucky Luke said:

The Ukraine vs Pro Russian Separatists conflict has been going on for years. It's lovely that you have taken an interest the last few weeks but this stuff has been going on for awhile. Its why so many on this thread has said that Russia wont invade. I Did not say that this conflict is Americas fault and you know this. I said that Biden is using it to try to bolster his poll numbers. War usually helps the incumbent leader.

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So just believe you because you say so?

There is no way that I had made a thread about Russia's false flag attack on Ukraine in 2019 right?



After all the anti-American horse shit you have put out here, we should not see your lie about Biden for what it is?

hanimmal said:

So just believe you because you say so?

There is no way that I had made a thread about Russia's false flag attack on Ukraine in 2019 right?

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After all the anti-American horse shit you have put out here, we should not see your lie about Biden for what it is?

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No you should not believe me because i say so... This is a discussion. People often don't agree when discussing things. Its normal and human and adult.
But why has the Ukraine leader said something similar?
Does Biden need better polls?
Does a war usually help the encumbered President?

Just reading up on the Marshal islands, its an interesting topic.
Have a read if you get time


"Between 1946 and 1958, the United States detonated 67 nuclear bombs on, in and above the Marshall Islands — vaporizing whole islands, carving craters into its shallow lagoons and exiling hundreds of people from their homes. "

"The Times has learned, also conducted a dozen biological weapons tests and dumped 130 tons of soil from an irradiated Nevada testing site. It then deposited the atoll’s most lethal debris and soil into the dome "

"Now the concrete coffin, which locals call “the Tomb,” is at risk of collapsing from rising seas and other effects of climate change. Tides are creeping up its sides, advancing higher every year as distant glaciers melt and ocean waters rise. "

"“The United States is entirely responsible for the nuclear testing there, and its emissions have contributed more to climate change than those from any other country.”

"U.S. government documents from the time show that officials weighed the potential hazards of radiation exposure against “the current low morale of the natives” and a “risk of an onset of indolence.” "

Lucky Luke said:

No you should not believe me because i say so... This is a discussion. People often don't agree when discussing things. Its normal and human and adult.
But why has the Ukraine leader said something similar?
Does Biden need better polls?

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Biden is only keeping Putin in check, basically saying to him.."we know <wink>" bout all the BS your putting out there....and it is BS, seriously.

The Ukrainian doesn't want a war, they're foriegn ministry as said:

"Ukrainian nationals reside on both sides of the contact line. Their peace, security and well-being are an absolute priority for Ukraine.
Allegations that the Ukrainian government intends to launch an offensive operation in the temporarily occupied territories of Donetsk and Luhansk regions are divorced from reality.
Ukraine is also not conducting or planning any sabotage acts in Donbas.
We categorically reject the attempts of Russia to aggravate the already tense security situation. We remain firmly committed to politico-diplomatic settlement and, together with our partners, maximise efforts to reduce the tension and keep the situation in line with diplomatic dialogue.
In contrast, we observe the Russian Federation unfolding its campaign to disseminate massive disinformation, increasing shelling of Ukrainian positions and civilian infrastructure, using the weapons banned by the Minsk Agreements, and escalating the security situation."

Europe is screwed with no way out, let's look at their choices.
Energy, buy it from russia or the middle east or do nuclear and renewables which would be very regional, first two suck and I don't think they have the money to do 3 on a large scale. The US will try to put a band aide on things with some LNG but can't supply all their needs.
Climate change will see large areas of northern Africa and the middle east becoming unlivable, they will see more mass migrations from those areas and can't afford to take care of them.
Conflict with russia, the shirtless midget thinks he needs to go back to the days of Genghis Khan when it comes to borders which means USSR. So the conflict is just ramping up and if the EU start fighting amongst themselves how long will the US support them?
That's just 3 topics that their dealing with and no good way out of any of them, they also have a aging population.

Lucky Luke said:

No you should not believe me because i say so... This is a discussion. People often don't agree when discussing things. Its normal and human and adult.
But why has the Ukraine leader said something similar?
Does Biden need better polls?
Does a war usually help the encumbered President?

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Hmm, why has a leader of a country with almost 200,000 enemy troops with vastly overwhelming firepower pointed right at them not been more combative towards the actions of a dictator that is currently making up false troll attacks to pretend like they have a reason to invade them?

Wow seller logic from a countryman of Rupert Murdoch.

Equally impressive logic is that somehow this is Biden doing this to help his poll numbers when he is not up for election until about 3 years form now, and the next election that you are probably pretending is relevant is in about a year. And you know what is great for poll numbers? Bullshit false flag invasions that lead to economic drags like gas prices being increased.

The stupidity that you pretend others have to sell the bullshit Russian lies is pretty insulting.

BudmanTX said:

Biden is only keeping Putin in check, basically saying to him.."we know <wink>" bout all the BS your putting out there....and it is BS, seriously.

The Ukrainian doesn't want a war, they're foriegn ministry as said:

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I think Putin is playing with Biden and Biden is looking rather foolish. Biden is trying to look like a strong leader that the republicans see him as not being and accused him of not being last election. Usually a strong war like leader is popular with the Republicans but the Republicans are tired of constant wars so I'm not sure its going to have the effect on the polls he thought it might.

hanimmal said:

Hmm, why has a leader of a country with almost 200,000 enemy troops with vastly overwhelming firepower pointed right at them not been more combative towards the actions of a dictator that is currently making up false troll attacks to pretend like they have a reason to invade them?

Wow seller logic from a countryman of Rupert Murdoch.

Equally impressive logic is that somehow this is Biden doing this to help his poll numbers when he is not up for election until about 3 years form now, and the next election that you are probably pretending is relevant is in about a year. And you know what is great for poll numbers? Bullshit false flag invasions that lead to economic drags like gas prices being increased.

The stupidity that you pretend others have to sell the bullshit Russian lies is pretty insulting.

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Murdoch is an American citizen. He is no longer Australian.

He really is in your head isn't he? You menton him a few times a day.

Biden needs decent poll numbers. Its Politics and poll numbers is what politics are about.

Lucky Luke said:

I think Putin is playing with Biden and Biden is looking rather foolish. Biden is trying to look like a strong leader that the republicans see him as not being and accused him of not being last election. Usually a strong war like leader is popular with the Republicans but the Republicans are tired of constant wars so I'm not sure its going to have the effect on the polls he thought it might.

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Your a Vlad fan and it's distorting yer perspective.

Lucky Luke said:

Murdoch is an American citizen. he is no longer Australian.

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Yeah and Ted Cruz is no longer Canadian, but we still bear the shame for spawning it!