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3,000 pieces of Russian military equipment estimated destroyed

The destroyed Moscow cruiser is believed to have nuclear warheads

DIY-HP-LED said:

Putin can't take much more of this

Well, the Big Lie, Russian style, has begun. It's not exactly like losing an election — that's never going to happen in Vladimir Putin's Russia — but losing a guided missile cruiser, the Moskva, the most important warship in Russia's Black Sea fleet is, let us say, just a little hard for the big...

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"Dmitry Medvedev, former president and deputy chairman of Russia's Security Council, posted this on his official Telegram channel on Thursday: "If Sweden and Finland join NATO, the length of the alliance's land borders with the Russian Federation will more than double. Naturally, these borders will have to be strengthened. Russia will seriously strengthen the grouping of land forces and air defense, deploy significant naval forces in the waters of the Gulf of Finland. In this case, it will no longer be possible to talk about any nuclear-free status of the Baltic"
russia will reinforce the border with more men and equipment? and where will they get these men and this equipment? did boris or natasha steal bullwinkle's magic hat? is putin going to just bend over and pull them out of his ass? IF he has any ships left by the end of this, it will be easy to counter any of them in the gulf of Finland with NATO member ships...
"it will no longer be possible totalk about nuclear-free status in the Balkans" ? who the fuck was talking about that to begin with? russia will never just give up the nukes, willingly. they're the only thing that elevate it above an incompetent remnant of a repressive, dead superpower

Russia's 'broken arrow': Fears that NUCLEAR MISSILES sank with Putin's flagship Moskva amid claims that 452 of the 510 crew have drowned and top admiral has been arrested after cruiser was 'hit by Ukrainian missile'

• Moskva, the flagship of Russia's Black Sea fleet, has been confirmed to have sunk near port of Sevastopol
• Experts and analysts are now warning that the warship may have been carrying two nuclear warheads
• They are calling for an urgent probe into 'broken arrow' incident - military slang for an accident with nukes
• Meanwhile questions remain over the fate of Moskva's 510-strong crew, most of whom are unaccounted for
• Ilya Ponomarev, a politician exiled from Russia, said as many as 452 members of the crew could have died

Roger A. Shrubber said:

"Dmitry Medvedev, former president and deputy chairman of Russia's Security Council, posted this on his official Telegram channel on Thursday: "If Sweden and Finland join NATO, the length of the alliance's land borders with the Russian Federation will more than double. Naturally, these borders will have to be strengthened. Russia will seriously strengthen the grouping of land forces and air defense, deploy significant naval forces in the waters of the Gulf of Finland. In this case, it will no longer be possible to talk about any nuclear-free status of the Baltic"
russia will reinforce the border with more men and equipment? and where will they get these men and this equipment? does boris or natasha steal bullwinkle's magic hat? is putin going to just bend over and pull them out of his ass? IF he has any ships left by the end of this, it will be easy to counter any of them in the gulf of Finland with NATO member ships...
"it will no longer be possible totalk about nuclear-free status in the Balkans" ? who the fuck was talking about that to begin with? russia will never just give up the nukes, willingly. they're the only thing that elevate it above an incompetent remnant of a repressive, dead superpower

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They already have nukes in the Kaliningrad enclave on the Baltic coast and have for awhile, it's all bullshit and desperation. Vlad blundered badly and couldn't afford to make mistakes. He was cashing checks on a near empty bank account and he's still writing them. Every nuclear threat he makes is being met by others joining NATO and now a European oil embargo, that will fuck him and Russia for sure and cut him off at the knees.

He had about 3000 tanks before the war the rest was literally junk and he can't make any more, so far he lost about 500 in Ukraine and is set to lose another 500 or more even faster in eastern Ukraine. America, Germany and the UK are rolling in some serious long range mobile artillery and with drones and some precision munitions for high value targets they will devastate the advancing Russian columns in the east. I also figure most of his military trucks and support vehicles will be gone by the end of summer as well.

DIY-HP-LED said:

Unless they recover, or destroy them with a tactical nuke, it will mean nuclear war if Ukraine invades Crimea. If they don't destroy or recover them, the Ukrainians or Uncle Sam will have them, I don't think she went down in deep water. No way would Putin allow Ukraine to recover those nukes, a small one can be turned into a big one with the addition of fusion fuel. If he loses Crimea they are as good as gone. If they have nukes, the Russians have 5 diesel powered subs in the Black sea and some of them will be parked on the bottom close to the wreck listening.

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I plotted your distance and direction and found a depth of 150 feet or a little less. Doable on heliox.

cannabineer said:

I would bet a million Rubbles that the systems in question operated poorly or not at all, if the army’s trucks are a comparison.

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it takes at least two years to become certified as an air traffic controller...i'm just guessing, but the radar systems on that ship have to be close to that level of complexity, so to actually become proficient at operating it, would take at least a year of concentrated training. most people in the russian armed services are conscripts that are only in service for one year, so it would seem that qualified operators would have to be in short supply. my guess is they have one operator on each ship, if that, and if he's asleep, then it is unmanned.
my grandpa used to tell me "remember the 7 Ps"...prior proper planning prevents piss poor performance...i wonder if putin has ever heard of the 7 Ps? he has literally had decades to prepare for this, and this is the best russia can do?

Roger A. Shrubber said:

it takes at least two years to become certified as an air traffic controller...i'm just guessing, but the radar systems on that ship have to be close to that level of complexity, so to actually become proficient at operating it, would take at least a year of concentrated training. most people in the russian armed services are conscripts that are only in service for one year, so it would seem that qualified operators would have to be in short supply. my guess is they have one operator on each ship, if that, and if he's asleep, then it is unmanned.
my grandpa used to tell me "remember the 7 Ps"...prior proper planning prevents piss poor performance...i wonder if putin has ever heard of the 7 Ps? he has literally had decades to prepare for this, and this is the best russia can do?

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Yes, that is a factor that stacks atop equipment condition.

cannabineer said:

I plotted your distance and direction and found a depth of 150 feet or a little less. Doable on heliox.

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If it's reachable by scuba and they can go that low using decompression, but nitrogen narcosis is a bitch at depth, some can tolerate it better than others. It depends on where she went down, depth increases rapidly the further south you go. Far enough south and only Uncle Sam or the EU could go that deep. Helox would be prefered under 150 feet, but a decompression chamber is required. Scuba can do it with decompression stops, time at 120 feet with out decompressing is probably around 10 minutes. Used to scuba dive many years ago.

Roger A. Shrubber said:

it takes at least two years to become certified as an air traffic controller...i'm just guessing, but the radar systems on that ship have to be close to that level of complexity, so to actually become proficient at operating it, would take at least a year of concentrated training. most people in the russian armed services are conscripts that are only in service for one year, so it would seem that qualified operators would have to be in short supply. my guess is they have one operator on each ship, if that, and if he's asleep, then it is unmanned.
my grandpa used to tell me "remember the 7 Ps"...prior proper planning prevents piss poor performance...i wonder if putin has ever heard of the 7 Ps? he has literally had decades to prepare for this, and this is the best russia can do?

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Older systems are more complex and harder to use, they also require more maintenance and if they are old enough, electronic parts might be hard to find. They only made 3 ships, so there was a lot of custom work done.

New systems are easier to use and maintain, troops can be trained more quickly and easily to operate and maintain them, much of the grunt work and complexity has been passed off to computers. Training could also be an issue too, both for maintenance and operations. In other words they failed at every level from the admiral to the sailor, not to mention the corruption that went into and poisoned everything. It was a casscade of failure and mistakes, the first among them having the thing in range of Ukrainian anti ship missiles that were in the fucking news! I even posted here on the Ukrainians testing them awhile back.

‘Putin Strategically Lost The War Already,’ Retired US General Says

Retired 4-star general and NBC News military analyst Barry McCaffrey joins Saturday TODAY to discuss where the war in Ukraine stands and if the Ukrainian military are getting the upper hand after sinking Russian flagship the Moskva. McCaffrey says “there’s zero chance of Russia effectively threatening the rest of NATO.”

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‘Russia Is Completely Depoliticized’
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The photos from Bucha are hard to ignore. In image after image, bodies line the streets and shallow graves, each one proof that Russian soldiers are committing atrocities on Ukrainian soil. While the evidence they offer appears to be incontrovertible, the Kremlin has called them a “monstrous forgery” designed to smear its soldiers. It is tempting to believe the photos could undermine Moscow’s propaganda and help turn Russian public opinion against the war.

The sociologist Greg Yudin believes that’s unlikely to happen. A professor of political philosophy at the Moscow School of Social and Economic Sciences, Yudin said in an interview this week that most people under Vladimir Putin’s rule passively support his “special military operation” in Ukraine because Russian society has become thoroughly “depoliticized.” It’s been difficult to gauge how Russia’s war is playing at home after the country abolished the last of its free press and outlawed speech critical of the war, but Yudin — who is also an expert on public-opinion research — says two decades of authoritarian rule have made the Kremlin’s line easy to accept. If the war lasts for longer than a few months though, the mood may change, and Putin may be tempted to escalate....

Does not inspire hope behind the Russian side of the iron curtain.

Evangelical Preacher Franklin Graham is getting roasted on social media for telling Fox News Viewers to “Pray for Putin.”

In an interview with Fox News Digital, Graham told Maureen Mackey that he admires the Ukranian people and suggested that prayer might change Putin’s heart.

“I admire them, and we want to do all that we can to help them. It’s a mess. It’s going to get worse, I’m afraid. And what President Putin’s end game is, I don’t know. But I think we just need to pray that God can change his heart,” Graham, who is president and CEO of the Billy Graham, Evangelistic Association said.

His sermon took a decidely different turn when he added that people should pray for Russian President Vladimir Putin, whose regime has killed more than 3,000 Ukrainian troops and thousands of civilians, including children, and displaced 7.1 million people.


“And I would recommend for people to pray for Putin. I don’t want to be misunderstood [on this point],” he added. “I want people to pray that God would change his heart. And turn his heart around, and that he would see the sin that he’s involved in. That he would repent and turn from it. And if we pray, that could happen.”

Folks on social media, however, had a strong reaction to Graham’s comments and went in on the Preacher.

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This is most likely bullshit by the Russians, from the description of the attack, sinking and sea state during the attack I tend to believe the reports of a mere 50 survivors out of the crew of 510. The Russians have said nothing about causalities, but people will put together some estimates from information gleaned on the internet. The names of most of the crew are known and their families won't be silent, they know the ship they were on too.

Vlad's evil empire is an empire of lies too. These guys don't look like survivors of a catastrophe, usually their uniforms are on the ship and went down with it...
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Let's talk about why we broadcast NATO shipments....

Budzbuddha said:

I don’t know what Twilight Zone / Time Distortion - Doctor Strange / Parallel Universe shit this came from but here it is ….

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Another Russian general killed amid invasion, Russian official says
The governor of St. Petersburg confirmed that another Russian general has been killed amid the invasion of Ukraine, honoring him in a ceremony on Saturday, Russian media reported.

The deputy commander of the 8th Army, Maj. Gen. Vladimir Petrovich Frolov, died while fighting against Ukraine, Russian news outlets reported, citing St. Petersburg’s administration’s press service.

“Today we say goodbye to a real hero. Vladimir Petrovich Frolov died a heroic death in battle with Ukrainian nationalists,” Governor Alexander Beglov said, Russian state news agency Tass reported, citing the press service.

“He sacrificed his life so that children, women and the elderly in the Donbas would no longer hear bomb explosions. To stop waiting for death and leaving home , to say goodbye as if it were the last time.”

The governor called Frolov a “true patriot” and “brave,” adding he “fulfilled his military and human duty,” according to St. Petersburg online newspaper Fontanka.