Vertical Tree Grow!

maps84 · Apr 14, 2011

Jozikins said:
I too am a huge fan of the f3 SFV OG, and apparently because of a out-sourced breeders mistake, the f3 was lost to cross pollination by a auto-flower. So for the next 3 months or so it's a pretty rare plant. I plan on exploiting this. lol.

Digilux is the shit. I started using them in my experimental 400w cab, and what a vast improvement over Hortilux and Sun Master! Wow! I am thinking a lot about using 2 1000w's instead of 4 600w's. I believe with the efficiency of 600w's, getting more yield is all about bulb placement. If it produces less heat and more light per watt, it should give better yields as long as it is close enough to the plant. Doing this with 4 600w bulbs sounds like a pain in my ass, if not impossible to do right, so I'm thinking 1000w would save me some stress and brain-bubbling. But how the fuck do you look into a room with a 1000w bulb hanging in the middle of it, it's like staring into the sun! Do you have some bitching sweet sun glasses, or just a hole burnt into the back of your retina? Do you turn off the HPS when entering the room and turn on CFL? That would be a major pain, especially with magnetic ballasts that can't do a warm-start.

But I agree with you on old school growers, they piss me right the fuck off! No matter how much evidence I have, no matter how much I scream, no matter how much danker my nugs are than theirs, they will never ever believe any of it, and are convinced that their grow methods are the best. Soil, water, and time release fertilizers, that's it. It's fucking bullshit!

I keep looking into the idea of the rotating trays, I know I have seen them incorporated into a vertical garden unit they were showcasing and selling at the indoor gardening expo, but I don't remember who was making them, and how they figured them out. If you can find them I 'm sure they might have some advise on it, it didn't look like something they bought and through into their unit, it looks like they worked in conjunction with each other. But it can't be much more than a garden tray, a few bike gears and chain, with some ball bearings. You would probably have the coolest garden on rollitup if you did that. Reminds me of the Wind Mill level in Ocarina of Time.

Some people say 600W are more efficient than 1k heatwise, but IMO the heat footprint will alaways be 1ft from the bulb, that's it! whether naked, cool tubed etc.. 12" is the closer a normal grower can get a plant under a HPS whitout bleaching the leaves, burning them or affecting equal light distribution over the canopy. I certainly don't know your space limitations but speaking in terms of capacity 2 x 1000W will pull around 16 amps on magnetic ballasts vs 26-28 amps required to run 4 x 600W simultaneously. I would say, if you're already running 4 x 600W, you could take the jump to 4kW and the electric bill diference wont be really significative. That if your gold is to get the most out of certain space. Note you need to use a 20amp single breakers for each pair. It would be better than scaling down to just 2 yield wise

Jozikins · Apr 14, 2011

I have found that with 600w, while being air cooled with a lens, I can get it as close as 4"-5" from my tops without burning. I always go over powered on my air cooling though so that is part of it. I figure I could make the jump to 1k, but I know lumen wise, the 600w are more efficient, so the hippy in me wants to stick with those. But if I did 3 1k bulbs would seem to be a pretty good compromise, eh? I think that wouldn't hike up the bill to much and that would really get me juicing. Oh, and I harvested my Strawberry Cough and Grape Krush today :joint:

MEGAyielder420 · Apr 14, 2011

masp84 said:
Hi mega, Are you using Hortilux Enhanced spectrum? I just harvested from using one it and it was rather dissapointing in terms of yield. I think I should Stick with 2700K bulbs. Do you reckon this is best? I was also thinking I could use the enhanced for early flowering and then switch and see what happens. Thanks man for the good info

Yeah I use the Hortilux Eye Enhanced Spectrum Super HPS. I have never had a problem with yield. Thats wierd your yield should of been better with HID vs CFL. I am not a big CFL fan allthough I do use for clones, mother, and vegging as well for about the first to weeks or so maybe. When you started using the HPS was there anything else that you changed with your setup or maybe nutes, strains?

MEGAyielder420 · Apr 14, 2011

Jozikins said:
I have found that with 600w, while being air cooled with a lens, I can get it as close as 4"-5" from my tops without burning. I always go over powered on my air cooling though so that is part of it. I figure I could make the jump to 1k, but I know lumen wise, the 600w are more efficient, so the hippy in me wants to stick with those. But if I did 3 1k bulbs would seem to be a pretty good compromise, eh? I think that wouldn't hike up the bill to much and that would really get me juicing. Oh, and I harvested my Strawberry Cough and Grape Krush today

Sorry Jo how many 600's are u running again? 3 1000's would kick ass! You know I can get my 1000's that close to my plants with out burning them and with a 600 as well bare bulb. When you grow vertical the heat goes up. The hot air will always rise. I can touch my 600 at the tip off the bulb and not get burned. There are many benefits of using vertical lighting.

Yo lets see some pics I love strawberry cough one of my favorite smokes, never smoked the grape krush but sounds delicious! Its cool to post some pics if youd like. You should do a smoke report on that grape krush.

Peace

FreeHeeling · Apr 14, 2011

I really enjoyed reading your thread. I just dont have the vertical clearance or space in general to do a vertical grow, but is very efficient. Where did you get the Giesel strain by the way? I have seen OGiesel, but not Giesel. I wanna see the yields from this grow, so I will stick around.

MEGAyielder420 · Apr 15, 2011

FreeHeeling said:
I really enjoyed reading your thread. I just dont have the vertical clearance or space in general to do a vertical grow, but is very efficient. Where did you get the Giesel strain by the way? I have seen OGiesel, but not Giesel. I wanna see the yields from this grow, so I will stick around.

I am glad you enjoyed the thread. Stay tuned for harvest time Im gonna give you guys exact weight per plant per strain and throw in a lil smoke report as a bonus LOL. Yeah man look into the Giesel its actually a favorite strain to many growers. Rolling face just did an article on it in SKUNK Mag. It was sold to me as a G 13 cross with sour but many state the true genetics are Chemdog and Sour Diesel dont understand why they chose the name Giesel sounds more like a g 13 x sour but hey it is what it is. Heres a little info i stumbled across searching for strain reviews.

ChemDog - Origins of the Strain

Chem dog IS a strain grown in Montana, sold in Colorado for years, purchased by a person in Massachusetts, during the time when the chem dog was in Mass, the chem dog in Montana and CO stopped flowing due to leo and was left alone with the "Chem dog" (person) in Mass, There were 12 original beans, two originals males. The first female became Chem dog '91, there were chem A and chem B phenos and then in 2000 chem sister and Chem D were grown out and loved by many, The leftover seeds were brought back to CO to be grown out and now account for four more phenotypes. There are also many other hybrids including Geisel, Snodog, bubble chem among others.

The SOUR DIESEL is actually a sensi seeds 1986 Super Skunk grown out in VA for a while, brought to Mass. and a hermi flowered this skunk and these accidental seeds were grown out in Albany and NYC and renamed the Sour Diesel. (ps- Diesel is 91 Chem dog just renamed) Og Kush is Chem dog renamed when it made its way to the west coast.

Pics of the article.

FreeHeeling · Apr 15, 2011

Where did you get your Giesel? Is it clone-only or is there a seed vendor that carries them? I wanted to grow Chemdog, but was having a hard time finding a company that carried the closest to the original. My next grow will be legendary strains such as Jack Herer, original AK-47. There will be no knockoffs or a different company's version. Let me know where you got Giesel.

MEGAyielder420 · Apr 15, 2011

Pics from last night day 45 of flowering.

Pics of the tent. You can see that Giesel in the middle full of buds everywhere.

Giesel Day 45. You can see the top calyxes have a purple hue leaves starting to purple up too. Full of trichs, stinky sour stench with a hint of fuit this strains is rediculous. Shes a keeper!

Here is a pic of the Chemdog. She is also starting to turn purple as well. Also day 45.

This is one of my Ed Hardy's she is really filling up nicely and is full of buds too. Really dense musty smelling nuggz.

This is Ed Hardy # 2 the buds are not as fat but they are more trichd up by far these nuggz are very dense as well. I look forward to this smoke.

And last but not least is the bubbleberry. Wow she is developing fast. This plant suprised me from one day to another. She is blowing up with resin and is starting to smell strong its a distinctive smell still cant figure out but she sure is some fiyaaahhhhh!!

MEGAyielder420 · Apr 15, 2011

FreeHeeling said:
Where did you get your Giesel? Is it clone-only or is there a seed vendor that carries them? I wanted to grow Chemdog, but was having a hard time finding a company that carried the closest to the original. My next grow will be legendary strains such as Jack Herer, original AK-47. There will be no knockoffs or a different company's version. Let me know where you got Giesel.

I got my giesel from a fellow grower. She is clone only. I have looked for seeds all over but have not found any. The ones I have found are the OGiesel which u mentioned earlier but its nowhere near the same. I also got the Purple Hardball Kush from this guy but she hermed on me she is growing outdoors right now and she is coming along amazing. What a smell pure kush musty as hell loud ass smell. She hasnt really produced to many seeds which is a good thing because chances are they will be genetically proned to herm as well. But I sure am gonna smoke the hell out of her and make some killer hash.

genuity · Apr 15, 2011

i really like theway this one is growing......

newworldicon · Apr 15, 2011

Do you swivel them at regular intervals at all?

MEGAyielder420 · Apr 15, 2011

Thanks for the comment G and thanks for blowing that one up for me. That Ed Hardy is really blowing up shes like 4 ft tall but really wide and as you can see she has the mad bud sights.

MEGAyielder420 · Apr 15, 2011

newworldicon said:
Do you swivel them at regular intervals at all?

I wouldnt say at regular intervals but yes I do turn them so they can grow out evenly and get an even amount of light on all sides. Pretty much as Im growing them if I see one side take off and start to get bigger i turn them to allow the other sides to catch up I like to make them as symmetrical possible. When flowering I turn them as well so all buds get direct contact with the light. I gotta add the tent is a great thing walls are really reflective and helps out alot.

maps84 · Apr 15, 2011

MEGAyielder420 said:
Yeah I use the Hortilux Eye Enhanced Spectrum Super HPS. I have never had a problem with yield. Thats wierd your yield should of been better with HID vs CFL. I am not a big CFL fan allthough I do use for clones, mother, and vegging as well for about the first to weeks or so maybe. When you started using the HPS was there anything else that you changed with your setup or maybe nutes, strains?

YES! I started using a sunmaster but it burned at 3rd week, I had to use an old HPS of inferior wattage for 9 days until my enhanced espectrum arrived.. Lol how unfair of me to blame it on the Hortilux ! Nevertheless I then flowered fewer plants using a 600W of 2700K from growbright, Yield improved but buds wasn't as tight, they were more on the fluffy side... so maybe yield improved due to more stable conditions rather than bulb light. Right?

MEGAyielder420 · Apr 15, 2011

masp84 said:
YES! I started using a sunmaster but it burned at 3rd week, I had to use an old HPS of inferior wattage for 9 days until my enhanced espectrum arrived.. Lol how unfair of me to blame it on the Hortilux ! Nevertheless I then flowered fewer plants using a 600W of 2700K from growbright, Yield improved but buds wasn't as tight, they were more on the fluffy side... so maybe yield improved due to more stable conditions rather than bulb light. Right?

I knew there was something else to it. There are many things that can increase yields such as growing medium, nutrients, growing conditions, climate, etc. Sounds to me like those plants were on a roller coaster ride ok light the worse light and then bam brand new spectrum although plants in nature do manage under the sunlight and remember the sun is not always shinning as bright on the same spot due to shade, sun up, sun down, clouds, etc you get the point. It may have been because of unstable conditions that could of definately played a major part.

About the CFL that is something I have noticed before but didnt want to bring it up because most CFL growers swear by them and would beg to differ. The buds i have seen harvested grown under CFL have not been as dense as HID lighting and the yields were def less. Give that Horti Enhanced Spectrum a chance I promise you will not be dissapointed.

maps84 · Apr 15, 2011

I have 4 of them. I have to give them a chance xD .. btw CFL hater my self! if you're putting your ass in the line at least do it right!

FreeHeeling · Apr 15, 2011

I have an old Hortilux and I still love it. I want the enhanced spectrum, but I don't have enough scratch to fuck with it right now. I prefer CFLs for vegging though. I have a 125W Feliz 6500K and four plants under it and they are doing great. I wish I had a bigger wattage bulb, but the shop was out of stock. I think they go up to 250W in the 6500K and doesn't produce heat like Hallide. As for flowering, nothing but the Hortilux.

Shangeet · Apr 16, 2011

4every2day0 said:
I dont have much experience growing, but i can really see how the vertical lighting would be more beneficial. With horizontal bulb and hood your only using like 50% of the direct light. Vertical you use all 360 degrees of direct lighting. I gotta assume direct light is much better for the plants. makes sense to me i guess.

By the instruction , you can grow the tree Vertically bro...
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MEGAyielder420 · Apr 16, 2011

Ok so a few days ago I found a seed on my Ed Hardy # 2. I pulled it off, and inspected her to see if there was any other signs of herming. Today when I walk in this morning still keeping an eye on her. I decided to thoroughly inspect my other plants as well just in case. I found 2 seeds on my beautiful giesel the one that comes out in the middle of tent in the pics Ive posted. She was right next to that Ed Hardy #2. So now I start to freak out and pull that EH#2 bitch out and start looking at her branch by branch only to find male flowers (Pollen Sacs) that had opened up and probly pollenated the others, well for sure pollenated that explains the seeds on my giesel. When I plucked them pollens sacs off you can see the pollen just fall right off of it.

What do i do??? What would you do? She looks sooo beautiful and she can still take about 2 more weeks give or take. Do you think she will fuck everything else up? Im not worried about a couple seeds but fuck man I def do not want no fucking seeded hermed buds.

Another thing Im not too big on breeding but what do you think about the seeds on the Giesel? That would most def be a sick ass strain!! Will she be genectically proned to herm or maybe not because it is as if a male pollenated a female??

Your advice and comments would be highly appreciated.

Thanks,

MEGA

newworldicon · Apr 16, 2011

MEGAyielder420 said:
Ok so a few days ago I found a seed on my Ed Hardy # 2. I pulled it off, and inspected her to see if there was any other signs of herming. Today when I walk in this morning still keeping an eye on her. I decided to thoroughly inspect my other plants as well just in case. I found 2 seeds on my beautiful giesel the one that comes out in the middle of tent in the pics Ive posted. She was right next to that Ed Hardy #2. So now I start to freak out and pull that EH#2 bitch out and start looking at her branch by branch only to find male flowers (Pollen Sacs) that had opened up and probly pollenated the others, well for sure pollenated that explains the seeds on my giesel. When I plucked them pollens sacs off you can see the pollen just fall right off of it.

What do i do??? What would you do? She looks sooo beautiful and she can still take about 2 more weeks give or take. Do you think she will fuck everything else up? Im not worried about a couple seeds but fuck man I def do not want no fucking seeded hermed buds.

Another thing Im not too big on breeding but what do you think about the seeds on the Giesel? That would most def be a sick ass strain!! Will she be genectically proned to herm or maybe not because it is as if a male pollenated a female??

Your advice and comments would be highly appreciated.

Thanks,

MEGA

What is the status of the Ed Hardy? Is it a established female that has hermied or is it a male mistaken for a female?

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