Vertical Tree Grow!

Jozikins thanks for stopping by buddy. About the light burn not really such a big deal im just big on beautiful healthy plants and it just bothers me to go in my tent and see this or any other kind of def it kills me. As for the buds growing over the light burnt dead plant matter I do not have this problem something I recomend which is what I did was just cut that tip off and remove any dying burnt leaves as well. You will notice if you do decide to do this the bud stops growing upwards as if you topped it in that area it just grows outwards like it gets fat. Im going to take a few pics soon for you so you can see how they grow out after you snip em. Note this also depends how much light burn you have for example my situation was not as bad. Ive seen buddys gardens that have gone outta town and when they came back they found crispy burnt buds almost death. Obviously when its that bad of a burn condition unless you can afford taking it down and startin all over again you usually try to save it and make what you can out of it.

You are right about the blueberry they are shorter plants yield is nothing outta this world although it is some great tasting and smelling fruity smoke. I am not growing blueberry but Bubbleberry Kush you must of skimmed through quickly and not noticed its ok. No problem bro anything I can help you with just ask away. Thats what Im here for.

As for the gram per watt sorry I never answered that for ya. I was getting about the same thing with the over head lighting about roughly a .7 to 1 gram per watt on some plants. Now I am yielding about twice as much and plan on perfecting this setup and working my way up. Im probly at about 1.3 to 1.6 grams per watt but I will be confirming for you guys how much for this run once I have harvested and have my dry weight in.

PEACE

Well, at the moment I am thinking of trying to do some tall trees like you, so I was thinking 2 600w's to a cool tube, and trying to get 7-10 trees into a space that is 5x9 with maybe an extra 4-6" tacked onto each side, and just about 7" tall. I will probably have to use cool tubes, but I will try to get away without them at first, my house is in a fairly frigid environment, but the water heater and house heater are in the basement and create some heat, and my garden is outrageously well insulated. I'm about to upgrade my A/C unit. I bought it before I had a lot of experience, I tried to get away with a little 5000BTU in wall A/C unit. It doesn't work worth a shit during the summer, and it is not capable of making cold air at all if it is snowing outside. I am moving into this house, but I set this room up a while ago. When I got the home owners into growing. Once I get in their I am immediately installing a 6" inline fan into the space where the A/C used to be, and adding a 10,000 BTU portable A/C unit.

I could have 6 1/2' x 9' but there is a stupid ledge on one wall of the grow room, and it takes up a lot of space. So I was also thinking of maybe a 2 tier stadium grow with plants around 3 1/2' - 4 1/2' tall. Sometimes I wish I could just hire you guys to stand in my garden and smoke weed until you get a good idea.

LOL would be nice I dont mind being paid in pot LOL! Jozikins thats a great idea I had that one up my sleeve as well. I have actually been thinking of a 3 tier stadium grow as well although Ive been contemplating because of the plant count so many plants when I can get about the same yield off 8 plants. The thing I like about the stadium grow is the small plants those lil fuckers come out like lil donkey dicks only like 3 huge colas but they are sick as fuck.

Here are some pics of a sick ass stadium grow that made me consider. The room is about a 12 x 5 i belive so similar to my space but they have like 200 plants and yield only about 7 to 10 lbs with 5 1000w HPS. Thats why I havent moved forward with it. Check it out.




As you can see these plants are under 2 feet tall and there is pretty much solid bud from top to bottom.

I like that idea but the plant count scares me. That can get Big Brother on my ass. But I love the idea of short plants under 2 ft. This is how I typically grow, with the exception of my first and again on my most recent grow. Perfect dense nugs from top to bottom, nothing could be called "popcorn" nugs. This also has to do with choosing the correct genetics. Something we have in common.

I am also considering 3 tier but I have to see how much space I will have to make another shelf above the concrete one, and that will dictate what I do. I'm already potting new clones for this idea, I got 4 Old School Kush clones from Cali Connections in 1/2 gal square pot, and I have 4 Grubby Cup's Champion from a dear friend of Grubby Cup. Grubby cup free lances for Urban Garden and Maximum Yield and has done a large centerfold article on cloning in Urban Garden. And then I have 4 more Rolling Thunder on the back burner, but I may swap them out for my f3 SFV OG by Cali Connections.

I've pretty much decided I'm doing this vertical grow. I found 100 bucks just laying around in the form of a Money Order, and it only inspired me further.

Good luck Jo. I look forward to seeing this new project once you get it started. And killer genetics by the way Im a big fan of the SFV OG. I am happy people are actually considering vertical lighting this is something I have tried teaching old school growers and buddys that believe putting 20 lights on the cieling is the way to go. I have done better and yielded more with smaller setups and less lighting. But everyone has there way of growing and you cant teach an old dog new tricks. I will just keep trying to help us growers that want to learn and evolve in the cannabis grow game. This is the way to go!

Happy Growing

Hey guys, what do you think of the idea of placing plants on turntables...I mean the kinds you use in displays not LP turntables, a oversized tray to catch any overspill and the plants would slowly rotate on their own axis exposing the entire plant to the light hanging vertically. A 600 in the middle of a 4x4 tent with 4 plants on turntables around the vertical bulb.

I love the beauty of the low plant count without sacrificing yield.

What do you reckon?

Newworld my bad buddy I noticed you asked earlier and Im sorry I didnt comment on this yet. I think its a great idea. I also looked into the turntable setup they seem bad ass like you say that light in the middle will already be emitting at 360 degreez so auto rotating would just be killer because the plant would evenly be getting the same amount of light from all angles. Sounds great to me.

My ? is why a 600 and not a 1k? You know your yield would be better with the 1k and its not too much more on the light bill or cost I get my 1000 magnetic ballast down here for $90 and my Hortilux eyes for $70. Dont get me wrong I am not against 600's and I would understand maybe if there were heat issues. I dont know just curious.

just so you know mega over on anther thread a guy took meter readings of both the Horitlux and a Digilux and that the digi is 12% brighter.
and turntable idea sounds great would love to see that in action.

NorthernLights#5 said:

just so you know mega over on anther thread a guy took meter readings of both the Horitlux and a Digilux and that the digi is 12% brighter.
and turntable idea sounds great would love to see that in action.

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Thanks brotha good to know. You learn something everyday. I always have gone with the hortis and those fuckers are bright so I can just imagine 12% brighter. Im going to look into that and check out the difference in price and is it really worth it. Definately brighter is better im now arguing that just wanna compare price, lummens and availability. Good looking out NL5

hey man-
what a wonderful grow u got going on! vertical is the way to go if you want the most bang, bang out of your buck !

i just got my 400w small time-ghetto closet setup, with 6 plants in an old school 50s closet !


anyways, will be here to watch your super grow...Keep it up man...

Hey NL i seen the digilux you are talking about. According to my research they are for use on digital ballast only. I run magnetic ballast. And yes you are right the digilux puts out 155000 lummens vs the Horti 145000 lummens which is not to bad I find it to be the best bulb for use on magnetic ballast for the price. But thanks for the info. I was about to go crazy and order some already they are only about $15 - $20 more then the Hortilux eye super HPS.

grow space said:

hey man-
what a wonderful grow u got going on! vertical is the way to go if you want the most bang, bang out of your buck !

i just got my 400w small time-ghetto closet setup, with 6 plants in an old school 50s closet !


anyways, will be here to watch your super grow...Keep it up man...

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Thanks for the support grow space. Yeah man vert is the way to go. Go big or go home style grow! Interesting Im gonna check out your grow. I would like to see how that 400 performs with those 6 plants. Hopefully you reach 1 g per watt. Good luck with that. Thanks for stopping by new pics coming soon.

Crazy avatar bro are those shrooms growing out of a bible?

MEGAyielder420 said:

Crazy avatar bro are those shrooms growing out of a bible?

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Hahaha, yes they are !

i dont know if i will make a journal at all..Little paranoid..better safe than sorry, but if u do no mind, when i finish the grow i smuggle some pics here maybe `?maybe....

I too am a huge fan of the f3 SFV OG, and apparently because of a out-sourced breeders mistake, the f3 was lost to cross pollination by a auto-flower. So for the next 3 months or so it's a pretty rare plant. I plan on exploiting this. lol.

Digilux is the shit. I started using them in my experimental 400w cab, and what a vast improvement over Hortilux and Sun Master! Wow! I am thinking a lot about using 2 1000w's instead of 4 600w's. I believe with the efficiency of 600w's, getting more yield is all about bulb placement. If it produces less heat and more light per watt, it should give better yields as long as it is close enough to the plant. Doing this with 4 600w bulbs sounds like a pain in my ass, if not impossible to do right, so I'm thinking 1000w would save me some stress and brain-bubbling. But how the fuck do you look into a room with a 1000w bulb hanging in the middle of it, it's like staring into the sun! Do you have some bitching sweet sun glasses, or just a hole burnt into the back of your retina? Do you turn off the HPS when entering the room and turn on CFL? That would be a major pain, especially with magnetic ballasts that can't do a warm-start.

But I agree with you on old school growers, they piss me right the fuck off! No matter how much evidence I have, no matter how much I scream, no matter how much danker my nugs are than theirs, they will never ever believe any of it, and are convinced that their grow methods are the best. Soil, water, and time release fertilizers, that's it. It's fucking bullshit!

I keep looking into the idea of the rotating trays, I know I have seen them incorporated into a vertical garden unit they were showcasing and selling at the indoor gardening expo, but I don't remember who was making them, and how they figured them out. If you can find them I 'm sure they might have some advise on it, it didn't look like something they bought and through into their unit, it looks like they worked in conjunction with each other. But it can't be much more than a garden tray, a few bike gears and chain, with some ball bearings. You would probably have the coolest garden on rollitup if you did that. Reminds me of the Wind Mill level in Ocarina of Time.

MEGAyielder420 said:

Newworld my bad buddy I noticed you asked earlier and Im sorry I didnt comment on this yet. I think its a great idea. I also looked into the turntable setup they seem bad ass like you say that light in the middle will already be emitting at 360 degreez so auto rotating would just be killer because the plant would evenly be getting the same amount of light from all angles. Sounds great to me.

My ? is why a 600 and not a 1k? You know your yield would be better with the 1k and its not too much more on the light bill or cost I get my 1000 magnetic ballast down here for $90 and my Hortilux eyes for $70. Dont get me wrong I am not against 600's and I would understand maybe if there were heat issues. I dont know just curious.

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Hey no problem, I use the 600's because I run 2x (4x4) tents as flower rooms on a flip flop system 4 weeks apart. One 600 per tent horizontally. The electricity consumption is below the radar in this way. I'm in the UK.

Currently use dutch poots horizontally but have thought about the turntables since checking your results. Good to see you guys like the idea, I may just employ that soon.

incognegro999 said:

Sweet grow mega sub'd +rep

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Thanks bro! Stay tuned for more pics coming soon. Love ur avatar man! Happy growing.

Jo the lights are crazy bright I have pretty much adapted to them and just look away. My tent has windows and the room is dark so when I open up the velcro windows im blinded. Just look away thats pretty much what I do. I dont expect anyone to just stare at it LOL.

MEGAyielder420 said:

Hey NL i seen the digilux you are talking about. According to my research they are for use on digital ballast only. I run magnetic ballast. And yes you are right the digilux puts out 155000 lummens vs the Horti 145000 lummens which is not to bad I find it to be the best bulb for use on magnetic ballast for the price. But thanks for the info. I was about to go crazy and order some already they are only about $15 - $20 more then the Hortilux eye super HPS.

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Hi mega, Are you using Hortilux Enhanced spectrum? I just harvested from using one it and it was rather dissapointing in terms of yield. I think I should Stick with 2700K bulbs. Do you reckon this is best? I was also thinking I could use the enhanced for early flowering and then switch and see what happens. Thanks man for the good info